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People comparing Felix to Raonic have got to be blind as a bat.
The people claiming this are either being facetious or are indeed.... blind as a bat. Raonic and FAA have zero in common game-wise.
People comparing Felix to Raonic have got to be blind as a bat.
Hmm, now we've become a forum of insults. I honestly thought it was a nice place to discuss tennis. Not so much anymore.
Only saw the last set against Berrettini. Felix needs a lot more time on grass, his movement isn't instinctive or particularly adept (yet) on the surface. I'm disappointed he lost another final, but the experience can only help him going forward. Felix also became the youngest player to reach at least the semis across three or more surfaces since Hewitt in 1999.
It's just his first professional tournament on grass and he made the final, well done!
The people claiming this are either being facetious or are indeed.... blind as a bat. Raonic and FAA have zero in common game-wise.
Completely agree - they are nearly clones. Except Raonic has way better movement than Felix.
Agreed - Berrettini now has 3 titles and arguably was done dirty by having to play his semi the same day as his final vs Garin in Munich on the clay earlier this year.Not bad luck for Felix. Berretini played better than he did. His experienced showed today. There will be other finals for Felix, but if I want to compare him to another player, that's my right to do so. People have the right to disagree. What I object to is when people feel a need to insult someone's opinion. I don't get that.
Not bad luck for Felix. Berretini played better than he did. His experienced showed today. There will be other finals for Felix, but if I want to compare him to another player, that's my right to do so. People have the right to disagree. What I object to is when people feel a need to insult someone's opinion. I don't get that.
That doesn't sound like a very mature response. What you're suggesting is that if someone doesn't like my opinion, then insulting me is the proper response. I was raised to believe otherwise. Argue. Debate. Present the facts. But, NEVER use insults.You have the right to compare two players, but you are on a tennis forum comparing Felix to Raonic. If you didn’t get insulted, this forum would really suck.
In the rush
That doesn't sound like a very mature response. What you're suggesting is that if someone doesn't like my opinion, then insulting me is the proper response. I was raised to believe otherwise. Argue. Debate. Present the facts. But, NEVER use insults.
How about just start with Felix = Milos?Ok then, present the facts, argue, debate. Felix is Raonic - convince me and all the guys here this is a valid opinion. And you might as well do Isner = Schwartzman, and Santoro = Khachanov while you are at it.
You deserved it, no doubt about it.
Hmm, now we've become a forum of insults. I honestly thought it was a nice place to discuss tennis. Not so much anymore.
No, not a tennis pro, but yes I have a team of doctors, a physio, a trainer and a health coach. I'm not a coach but I worked with people with terminal illnesses and disabilities for many years. I took additional graduate training in that area.Oh, are you a tennis pro? Your situation is the same as Felix's? Do you have trainers and physiotherapists and specialized doctors looking after you? Good for you. Along with all your coaching expertise you have medical knowledge too. Quite a resume there.
I can agree with you on this point. Denis' game is definitely more exciting, and he will have way more highlight reel shots than Felix.Only caught the tiebreaker which was exciting, but Felix had plenty of chances which somehow went by the wayside. I am certain he'll be in more finals, and hopefully one will take. But, as for me, I still find Denis' game far more exciting, even if he isn't winning a lot in singles right now. I believe that will turn around.
can Felix win Wimbledon ?
Well, FAA has to start serving much better to be compare to Roanic in terms of results, and I see no time in which Milos's return game looked as good as young FAA's.
I certainly don't see much similarity either in look or results.
On another notes, I tried to find someone else who lost 3 finals in the first year of relative success without also winning a final. Haven't found one example yet. Certainly getting three finals is very encouraging, but losing all of them is not, and it could become a pattern.
To me Berrettini is much more impressive because he seems to be doing more with less. He's basically around 51% of points this year - that may go up after last week - but he has a weird looking serve, unorthodox looking strokes and doesn't look like the kind of guy who is going to win a lot. So far his results defy what perhaps most of us see, so he has come kind of clutch factor most of the young players lack.
That's what FAA seems to lack so far, clutch play in finals. I hope he outgrows this soon. I like his game.
@Gary Duane Lendl lost his first three finals: in 1979 to Taroczy in Brussels, in 1980 in Kitzbuehl to Vilas and Washington to Amaya.On another notes, I tried to find someone else who lost 3 finals in the first year of relative success without also winning a final.
kept serving aces. Very mature. Very focused..
@Gary Duane Lendl lost his first three finals: in 1979 to Taroczy in Brussels, in 1980 in Kitzbuehl to Vilas and Washington to Amaya.
FAA is not clutch yet.I disagree. Felix was incredibly clutch in this match. Did you watch it?
Berrettini was playing lights out and Felix never gave up.
Right after Felix was robbed of set point (his winning serve called out, and then called back), what was his response? He kept serving aces. Very mature. Very focused.
To have someone play like this, against another who was playing lights out, was great. That's not a loser. That's encouraging for someone at such a young age.
Interesting. And with Lendl it was actually an accurate view of his career. He still has the most slam final losses, right?@Gary Duane Lendl lost his first three finals: in 1979 to Taroczy in Brussels, in 1980 in Kitzbuehl to Vilas and Washington to Amaya.
Thanks for the correction, I'll edit my post.@BeatlesFan According to UTS he won a title in Houston before that Kitzbuehl loss
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=656&tab=events&result=W
8-11 in slam finals. Rosewall lost 8 major finals, I think those 2 have the most losses in major finals.Interesting. And with Lendl it was actually an accurate view of his career. He still has the most slam final losses, right?
FAA is not clutch yet.
he struggles, relatively speaking, being put in a situation where he has to think or contemplate. he also clearly has pretty high anxiety on the court.
he still has overachieved imo for his age, regardless of the hype surrounding him for so long.
You're forgetting Federer.... 20/30 is still a respectable ratio but as far as stats goes that's 10 losses, just behind Lendl's 11.8-11 in slam finals. Rosewall lost 8 major finals, I think those 2 have the most losses in major finals.
I am thanking my ignore list these days.I’ve seen nobody insulted so idk what anybody is talking about
I am thanking my ignore list these days.
A bit surprised Berrettini won, though he was quite solid the whole match. FAA understandably needs more time to get his movement down on grass, but he's played some solid tennis this week. His match against Brown was very entertaining.
Interesting. Meanwhile, I looked at some of my own data files where I can look carefully at lists of only finals, and others have not done well in their first years, so FAA still has time, it seems. I'm glad to know this.@Gary Duane Lendl lost his first three finals: in 1979 to Taroczy in Brussels, in 1980 in Kitzbuehl to Vilas and Washington to Amaya.
Edit: EloQuent corrected this, Lendl lost his first two finals, not three.
I was mentioning guys who had losing records in slam finals. Rosewall is 8-8, thus tied, Lendl has a losing record.You're forgetting Federer.... 20/30 is still a respectable ratio but as far as stats goes that's 10 losses, just behind Lendl's 11.
Djokovic has 9. Nadal and Murray 8 each. Murray probably has the worst ratio, but it's because of the competition.
Yes, I did. For sure Berrettini was serving very well, but the fact remains that FAA could not break in the 1st set and once he got broken, that was it for that set. Then he had the match in the TB and could not hold on to the mini-break.I disagree. Felix was incredibly clutch in this match. Did you watch it?
I agree there, but those things happen in matches. If every time a player has a bad break like that he then goes on to lose the set and the match, he's going to win a lot of matches.Right after Felix was robbed of set point (his winning serve called out, and then called back), what was his response? He kept serving aces. Very mature. Very focused.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I did. For sure Berrettini was serving very well, but the fact remains that FAA could not break in the 1st set and once he got broken, that was it for that set. Then he had the match in the TB and could not hold on to the mini-break.
So in the end what I saw was not clutch.
I agree there, but those things happen in matches. If every time a player has a bad break like that he then goes on to lose the set and the match, he's going to win a lot of matches.
I don't think I said he's a loser. That's TW talk that goes with being Finnish, a weak era mug and so on. The moment FAA wins a title I'll be relieved, and I'm already a fan.
That said, until he gets that first title he remains only a very promising young player without a title.
To have someone play like this, against another who was playing lights out, was great. That's not a loser. That's encouraging for someone at such a young age.
To underscore, for Lendl I have a loss in 79 then one in 80, so in two different years, but then a win in Houstin against Dibbs. So in 79-80 3/4 losses but then I have 6 wins in a row. So here's hoping the same thing is about to happen for FAA.Thanks for the correction, I'll edit my post.
I think to some extent you keep putting words into my mouth. I never said "a shame", and I don't believe I've said one ugly thing about this young guy. I think he has great composure and he's incredibly mature.But to have someone play so well, even it he didn't win, is not a shame. It also doesn't mean he won't win in the future.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I think to some extent you keep putting words into my mouth. I never said "a shame", and I don't believe I've said one ugly thing about this young guy. I think he has great composure and he's incredibly mature.But to have someone play so well, even it he didn't win, is not a shame. It also doesn't mean he won't win in the future.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I don't think I do that. For one thing I work with young people almost every day, and I never say things to crush their spirits. I won't do that in writing about young stars either. I think it's the kind of thing little people do to tear down big people. I like everything about this kid.Cool. No doubt I misinterpreted your comments.
We are lucky to watch all of these talented players.
I just get discouraged when people whine that there is no one coming along, and then when someone does, they slam them and look for something to criticize.