The Babolat Pure Strike Project Two Zero Thread

I agree I was wrong to word it that way as sure his success in the higher echelons of the game cannot be compared to his consistent rise to the top 10 where he deservedly lives now.

The reason for my mistake was for putting too much emphasis on the article of Thiem`s here....
https://www.gq.com/story/dominic-thiem-us-open-2017-profile

Thiem was quoted “I was never the person who came up with a boom somehow. I worked slowly and consistently, making my way up the rankings, so there wasn’t one special moment.”

I figured watching him with the head stick as he rose was consistent and anyone could see great things were going to come to him.
Would he have done that with a v1 PS Babolat? we dont know but he used a Head to see him steadily go up the rankings and his talent was going to shine no matter which racquet he used as long it was close to his usual preferences.
Yet he has created his own "Boom" he is exciting to watch but painful when he misses consistently. His game has shown he is not for consistent results, even losing on clay after leading easily to a player Nadal destroyed in the form of Schwarz-Gnome.

This is what we can expect from Thiem`s topsy turvy form but sure like anyone hope for more. Maturity, less arial time on every shot and less spin than needed will help. This he has shown he can do, as witnessed vs Cilic almost 4 years ago at the Brisbane Open (super fast courts then and now not suited for his style) where his waiting for the ball to come off his peak before he punished it was not working.
Cilic took Thiems time to hit the ball yet a set and losing the second adjusted by and played a Cilic style better than Marin could.

I found worrying that Massu is the only coach to take so many peeks of himself during the highlights on the big screen. I see him as an opportunist and not the best coach for Thiem who was going to eventually win a big tournament anytime soon albeit with some help (not facing Nole, Rafa or in form Monfils who can defend like Nole on these slow courts). However Massu knew this was a good opportunity as Thiems last coach has been there since he was 11 year old and with a bit of luck all that hard work from Thiem`s past was going to pay dividends anytime soon. Great timing by the dual Gold medalist!.

The walkover at the quarters vs Monfils who destroyed in form Kohls helped him more than Feds last match before the Final but we wont know if a 38yo needed a tough match to shine then. I see Fed now as the Gate keeper atm, he can beat most in BO3 but can no longer go BO5 to beat in form players younger than him (well there is no one older now except Karlovic! ).

Thiem I would love to see win RG but for Fed his last chance is Wimby 19 for after that 500 or 250 pointers will be his only way to get 110 event wins. A018 was when Djokovic was still the Pepe era of love and keep your R-complex in check for since then, Novaks R-Complex is back to normal with the usual racquet smashing and angry bursts that brings out the best in him.
 
He was using the first Pure Strike and besides the pj, they never changed the bumper guards.
I'm still suggesting that his supposed recent switch to the latest PS (version three under version two paint) the one not out for retail yet - is possibly merely a minor switch to a fairly lightly modified version of the original PS that he has always used; i.e. his 'new' version three racquet is his old version one racquet with some superficial changes designed to fool the public into thinking that he actually changed this time. Babolat's got to keep the marketing $ flowing, and it's common knowledge that until recently he was using version one paint jobbed to look like version two...
 
I'm still suggesting that his supposed recent switch to the latest PS (version three under version two paint) the one not out for retail yet - is possibly merely a minor switch to a fairly lightly modified version of the original PS that he has always used; i.e. his 'new' version three racquet is his old version one racquet with some superficial changes designed to fool the public into thinking that he actually changed this time. Babolat's got to keep the marketing $ flowing, and it's common knowledge that until recently he was using version one paint jobbed to look like version two...
dumping the X-sider is not a minor change..
 
I'm still suggesting that his supposed recent switch to the latest PS (version three under version two paint) the one not out for retail yet - is possibly merely a minor switch to a fairly lightly modified version of the original PS that he has always used; i.e. his 'new' version three racquet is his old version one racquet with some superficial changes designed to fool the public into thinking that he actually changed this time. Babolat's got to keep the marketing $ flowing, and it's common knowledge that until recently he was using version one paint jobbed to look like version two...
Unless you have any inside info I would be very surprised if this is true. Are Babolat that bothered? I reckon 95%+ of their customers have no idea Nadal uses a racket from the early noughties and Thiem uses OG Pure Strike. I live in the UK and virtually every junior I see playing seems to play a with Babolat and those with any money always buy the newest version within a few months of it coming out. I think Babolat are more than happy to keep using paint jobs as a means to fool us but doubt they are editing rackets to fool us more than that, other than a close picture up it is virtually impossible to see the difference anyway.
 
this is stupid. it is just like the old PJ. and people will mistake this for the old crappy racket that was pure strike original
Lol if you aren't good with a racket it must be rubbish right? The OG Pure Strike is hidden gem, have extended it and added a little weight at 3, 9 and 12 and plays better than the yonex plus lengths for me.
 
Unless you have any inside info I would be very surprised if this is true. Are Babolat that bothered? I reckon 95%+ of their customers have no idea Nadal uses a racket from the early noughties and Thiem uses OG Pure Strike. I live in the UK and virtually every junior I see playing seems to play a with Babolat and those with any money always buy the newest version within a few months of it coming out. I think Babolat are more than happy to keep using paint jobs as a means to fool us but doubt they are editing rackets to fool us more than that, other than a close picture up it is virtually impossible to see the difference anyway.
They obviously care enough about marketing to put the version two paint job on whatever he is now using. It's either a further modified version one, or a yet to be released at retail version three, but it's not a version two; if they aren't 'bothered' why the ongoing subterfuge?
 
They obviously care enough about marketing to put the version two paint job on whatever he is now using. It's either a further modified version one, or a yet to be released at retail version three, but it's not a version two; if they aren't 'bothered' why the ongoing subterfuge?
They are doing that because the new one is not released yet and probably won't be for a few months (August seems a good guess, they tend to be near the end of the season with Babolat from what I have seen). They want to milk the current version so that they get more sales until the new one, otherwise a lot of people will either wait for the new one or be annoyed that it isn't available.
 
They are doing that because the new one is not released yet and probably won't be for a few months (August seems a good guess, they tend to be near the end of the season with Babolat from what I have seen). They want to milk the current version so that they get more sales until the new one, otherwise a lot of people will either wait for the new one or be annoyed that it isn't available.
I'll wait until it's out and will buy one or two PS17 at a discount price.
 
They are doing that because the new one is not released yet and probably won't be for a few months (August seems a good guess, they tend to be near the end of the season with Babolat from what I have seen). They want to milk the current version so that they get more sales until the new one, otherwise a lot of people will either wait for the new one or be annoyed that it isn't available.
Exactly. The moment latest one comes out, I'm sure Thiem will be sporting that PJ regardless of what the actual stick underneath is. It is all about what is available to the masses to buy today.
 
Exactly. The moment latest one comes out, I'm sure Thiem will be sporting that PJ regardless of what the actual stick underneath is. It is all about what is available to the masses to buy today.
Yes and it is so rare for a top player to change rackets so Thiem must really like this one. May be closer to the OG version than PJ17, just with a few good tweaks and hopefully have that same comfort level!
 
Sadly - and I wish it was otherwise - imo there is very little chance of the new retail model differing substantially from version two. Version one appeared to be a substantial sales disappointment - remember Tsonga jumped ship, only for Thiem to serendipitously come on board, and the two for one deals - whereas V2 appears to have sold okay, especially judging by the number of sore arm complaints we are witnessing. They may manage to drop the ra one or two points - as other manufacturers have done through 'filling' or the use of secondary materials - but the industry wide inability to source cost effective low ra prepregs will no doubt continue to be a determining factor.
 
I'm still suggesting that his supposed recent switch to the latest PS (version three under version two paint) the one not out for retail yet - is possibly merely a minor switch to a fairly lightly modified version of the original PS that he has always used; i.e. his 'new' version three racquet is his old version one racquet with some superficial changes designed to fool the public into thinking that he actually changed this time.
Except the public already thinks he is using the 'new' Project One Seven coming from his original Pure Strike. I think you are over thinking this a bit, mate. Yes, we know he was using original pure strike under the project one seven paint job. But you are assuming that public knows what us handful of racquet nerds at TW know. That isn't the case. An avg rec player doesn't know about paint jobs stuff or exact specs etc. I'm in my 50s and heck I didn't know all that till only a few years ago. Babolat isn't in the game to spend money and time to convince the 1% like us about Thiems racquet change, it is there to put its marketing efforts to sell the racquet to the rest of the 99% out there!
 
I was referring to what the public perception will be when he eventually starts using version three paint on whatever he is currently using under version two paint; they will assume, wrongly or perhaps, this time rightly, that he has changed to a new model. I personally will require further evidence before believing that Thiem has actually made any meaningful switch.
 
What are prepregs?
I do remember being surprised to hear that, for the Angell rackets, the low RA rackets are heavier because more graphite is used in the layup. Is it something similar to this?
I think he means hairpins (bare pins without strings and handles). And I don't necessarily agree with that take. It isn't about inability to source cheaper softer hairpins. Wilson has the Clash now which according to my sources is selling really well. They are obviously mass producing it. Mass manufacturing any type of racquet (mold, layup etc) in this day and age should be a breeze. Lots of compunds for layups available and once you have the mold, it is basically just a matter of cross functional supply chain management. It is just that the market direction has more been towards stiffer powerful tweeners catering to the rec players for obvious reasons. Hopefully that changes after Clash and we see more softer racquets more in the hands of rec players. God knows we could use less arm issues. Btw the newer V3 Angells have lower swingweight than previous versions because of a more refined manufacturing process this time around. Had an email exchange with Paul.
 
What are prepregs?
I do remember being surprised to hear that, for the Angell rackets, the low RA rackets are heavier because more graphite is used in the layup. Is it something similar to this?
'Prepreg' refers to the raw material used in the layup... Like fiberglass, carbon is a composite of a fabric and a bonding agent, and there are different methods of 'layup'. With fiberglass, it's common to put dry fabric in/on the mold and then ad the resin (bonding agent), but this is a very imprecise method. Carbon, on the other hand, often uses the prepreg method where a precise amount of bonding agent (usually a type of epoxy) has been 'impregnated' into the carbon fabric, usually by machine, and able to be kept to strict standards, this 'prepreg' is the used in the molding process.
 
It happens Every. Single. Time. I just bought new shoes that matches my PS17. And now they come out with a new one.
Actually I have been waiting for this. I love my PS17 and I play my best, but most painful tennis on that racquet. If they keep it the same but increase the comfort I will buy a dozen and never need another racquet ever again. I said need, I didn't say want or buy. But I do want to buy the PS20. Very much so.
 
It happens Every. Single. Time. I just bought new shoes that matches my PS17. And now they come out with a new one.
Actually I have been waiting for this. I love my PS17 and I play my best, but most painful tennis on that racquet. If they keep it the same but increase the comfort I will buy a dozen and never need another racquet ever again. I said need, I didn't say want or buy. But I do want to buy the PS20. Very much so.
The least painful racquet I have played with in a long time. May I ask what you string it with and the tension?
 
I'm a 44 year old lefty, started playing 8 years old, fairly decent player, used Wilson Pro Staff as junior, then both Donnay Pro One and Puma Davis Cup on contract, stopped playing at 16 til I was 30, used Volkl Powerbridge 10 then back to Pro Staff and then two years ago went with Pure Strike 16/19 and never want to change, reason I'm saying this is I've never had any arm problems with the frame, maybe because I've used stiffer frames but as I'm much older I would have expected some? I'm going to go with the new release even if there's not much difference as my frames like me are coming upto retirement age!!
 
I'm a 44 year old lefty, started playing 8 years old, fairly decent player, used Wilson Pro Staff as junior, then both Donnay Pro One and Puma Davis Cup on contract, stopped playing at 16 til I was 30, used Volkl Powerbridge 10 then back to Pro Staff and then two years ago went with Pure Strike 16/19 and never want to change, reason I'm saying this is I've never had any arm problems with the frame, maybe because I've used stiffer frames but as I'm much older I would have expected some? I'm going to go with the new release even if there's not much difference as my frames like me are coming upto retirement age!!
Hahaha, at 44 you have a long way to go to retire, I mean tennis wise, if you are retiring from work, kudos to you.
 
I'm a 44 year old lefty, started playing 8 years old, fairly decent player, used Wilson Pro Staff as junior, then both Donnay Pro One and Puma Davis Cup on contract, stopped playing at 16 til I was 30, used Volkl Powerbridge 10 then back to Pro Staff and then two years ago went with Pure Strike 16/19 and never want to change, reason I'm saying this is I've never had any arm problems with the frame, maybe because I've used stiffer frames but as I'm much older I would have expected some? I'm going to go with the new release even if there's not much difference as my frames like me are coming upto retirement age!!
I bought a Pure Strike 18x20 2017 this week and was playing with Wilson Pro Staff RF97, Six One 95 16x18, Pro Staff Six One 90 or Pro Staff 90 from Summer of 2015 until early March this year.

I couldn't handle the 360g+ racquets now when playing competitively for up to 2 hours and it's probably 1.5 hours against younger guys, due to getting on with age (36).

Back to the Pure strike 18x20 it's a miracle as it's like a bigger version of the pro staff six one 90.

I strung it @48/46 lbs with Head velocity mlt 16g and during the club practice night against division A and B team mates they were struggling to return my 2nd serves.

The kick serves were bouncing up high and jumping off the court. When they defend that side I just hit slice down the T.
If they did get the return in it was a weak reply and an easy put away for me or my doubles partner.

The first serves were a miracle a high percentage was unreturned, volleys were solid and groundstrokes were heavy.

Slice backhands were staying super low.

I can't believe how well I played with this stick for the first time, so I went out and bought a brand new one today.

Both sticks are modified to 340g.

Can't wait for the mark 3 PS 18x20.


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I bought a Pure Strike 18x20 2017 this week and was playing with Wilson Pro Staff RF97, Six One 95 16x18, Pro Staff Six One 90 or Pro Staff 90 from Summer of 2015 until early March this year.

I couldn't handle the 360g+ racquets now when playing competitively for up to 2 hours and it's probably 1.5 hours against younger guys, due to getting on with age (36).

Back to the Pure strike 18x20 it's a miracle as it's like a bigger version of the pro staff six one 90.

I strung it @48/46 lbs with Head velocity mlt 16g and during the club practice night against division A and B team mates they were struggling to return my 2nd serves.

The kick serves were bouncing up high and jumping off the court. When they defend that side I just hit slice down the T.
If they did get the return in it was a weak reply and an easy put away for me or my doubles partner.

The first serves were a miracle a high percentage was unreturned, volleys were solid and groundstrokes were heavy.

Slice backhands were staying super low.

I can't believe how well I played with this stick for the first time, so I went out and bought a brand new one today.

Both sticks are modified to 340g.

Can't wait for the mark 3 PS 18x20.


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I’m with you. Though I primarily play the 16x19 I’m more interested to see what they do to the 18x20 as I’ve slowly but surely started to appreciate the 18 more and more
 
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