The Babolat Pure Strike Project Two Zero Thread

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A Babolat-sponsored junior I know suggested to me that the VS would be like mostly black or dark grey instead of white. Whether that cosmetic ends up on the market, however, I do not know for sure.
 
Watched the Provincial Juniors practice today on Clay. 5 Yonex frames and 2 babolat Pure Aeros. i can't recall the last time I saw a Pure Strike 2017 in the wild.

For such a highly rated frame it's odd how under-represented it is at my club. I hope that Babolat doesn't rest on those "high scores" and deliver merely a new paint job. The racquet needs more comfort to go with the whole control frame genre.
Funny since posting this I was out on Sunday and saw 3 club users with the Pure Strike 2017. So maybe not as rare as I was thinking. I'll take back my overhyped comment as there are clearly some people still happy with it.

Still would like to see Babolat soften it up a bit. But that's my sensitive elbow talking.
 
A Babolat-sponsored junior I know suggested to me that the VS would be like mostly black or dark grey instead of white. Whether that cosmetic ends up on the market, however, I do not know for sure.
That would be awesome! I saw someone post a picture of the ‘17 Pure Strike preproduction sample in a similar color combo that wasn’t produced and it looked sharp. The new Pure Drive VS cosmetics are some of the best I’ve seen so it would be cool to see something similar for the Pure Strike VS but with the red/orange instead of the PD blue.
 
Still would like to see Babolat soften it up a bit.
It is like a lot of these racquet manufs. feel the need to deliver stiffer frames that will appeal to a wider range of players.

You would think that Babolat could produce a frame with (unstrung) stiffness in the low 60s. But for some reason, it chooses to keep passing on that.

Does it have something to do with Babolat's Mass Production process I wonder? Or is simply the case that Babolat wants to sell as many racquets as possible to as many people as possible meaning that stiffer frames are easier to use by beginners who will gravitate to them and stick with them.

I would have thought that the Pure Strike would be the ideal model to target the demographic of Intermediate to Advanced players who desire a less stiff frame in a potent package. And yet?
 
I might be wrong but I think the lowest RA raquet produced by them was the Pure Storm gt around 62RA and some pro-stock versions lower than that, but the overall mayority of racquets produced by babolat have always being stiff frames as the brand is charterized by power racquets, the more stiff the more easy power. I would be happy if the pure strike comes at 65 unstrung specs and foam filled :)
 
I might be wrong but I think the lowest RA raquet produced by them was the Pure Storm gt around 62RA and some pro-stock versions lower than that, but the overall mayority of racquets produced by babolat have always being stiff frames as the brand is charterized by power racquets, the more stiff the more easy power. I would be happy if the pure strike comes at 65 unstrung specs and foam filled :)
The Pure Storm Ltd/Pure Control 95 was 58RA...
 
I might be wrong but I think the lowest RA raquet produced by them was the Pure Storm gt around 62RA and some pro-stock versions lower than that, but the overall mayority of racquets produced by babolat have always being stiff frames as the brand is charterized by power racquets, the more stiff the more easy power. I would be happy if the pure strike comes at 65 unstrung specs and foam filled :)
What’s kind of funny is that the TW review of the ‘14 Pure Strike listed the RA at 65(100) and 66(16x19) and that racquet didn’t really sell well since it wasn’t easy power and you felt like you had to swing out of your shoes to get the power you want. They adjusted the stiffness back up a bit in the ‘17 version and it’s one of the hottest racquets on the market. At the end of the day, people complain about the stiffness of racquets but won’t sacrifice easy power to get there. Of course there are the few players out there that would but not the majority, which is who a company has to listen to in efforts to keep their lights on, won’t sacrifice the power for increased flex. Guys like Thiem obviously don’t need the additional power and oftentimes would prefer to have it dialed back a bit but the majority of rec players out there need it - IMO.
 
The Pure Storm Ltd/Pure Control 95 was 58RA...
Best player at our club uses one of those old Pure Controls. Hits a great ball with it. DOn't see any reason Babolat couldn't re-create that magic in one of their lines, ideally the Pure Strike line if they are unwilling to resurrect the pure control line
 
Agree, also RA numbers might be misleading sometimes, I have hit with racquets of 65 RA like yonex xi ezone and next day my arm was destroyed and now I currently play with the tecnifibre tflash 315 ATP (2014) which is a 71RA in TW and never felt any discomfort or pain.
 
I am talking about Babolat's current range of products.

Well aware that Babolat had model lines that offered more flexible frames (like Pure Control and Pure Storm). But that was years ago, not now!

So if the new Pure Strike is a more flexible frame, that will be a GOOD thing for many players.
 
RA numbers might be misleading sometimes
RA Numbers are not misleading. RA numbers are RA numbers.

The main problem is that a lot of players do not understand that several things can cause tennis related arm injuries.

1 Stroke Technique - If player does not hit the ball properly, the frame will make little difference.

2 IMPACT Shock - This is the shock that is transferred to the player's arm when the ball impacts the string bed or the frame itself. Stiff frames tend to transfer greater levels of this shock to the arm that more flexible frames do.

3 POST IMPACT VIBRATION Shock - This is the shock that is transferred to the player's arm AFTER the ball has impacted the string bed or frame. When the ball hits the racquet, it sets off a series of vibrations in the racquet frame which can be transferred to the arm. Flexible frames tend to vibrate more and for longer than stiffer frames do so they may transfer more of this shock to the arm than a stiff frame will.

4 GENETICS - Some player's arm's are more susceptible to one type of shock over the other. Some are only affected by one. Some are not affected by either.

So it's important that a player knows their own body and bio-mechanics. That makes it a lot easier for a player to then choose what sort of frame and string config is ideal for them from an injury prevention perspective.
 
My arm has been sore in the past depending on the racquet and string I was using. The pain was nonexistent while using the Clash. After switching to a Pure Strike I’ve found that my arm does not hurt at all if I use proper technique. That was one of my biggest concerns after reading all the most recent reviews on the PS.

That makes me question if they really need to make it more flexible. Maybe a small change like the 19 PA could be good but wouldn’t it start to lose power as the stiffness goes down?

There are also plenty of other options if a player wants a more flexible racquet. No need to force yourself to use a PS.
 
No doubt Babolat are still handcuffed financially by the relative availability/affordability of stiff graphite prepregs. IMO it's now even more unlikely that Thiem is playing this stock; as noted already it's far more likely that - like other sponsored Babolat players - he's using a lower RA modified 'prostock' version of a retail model. (Or, to get closer to Thiem's Version One stiffness, they've just strung his frames thousands of times to drop the RA à la Fognini...). ;):unsure:
 
So if the RA is basically going to be the same... what the heck is the difference between this and the Project One7? Seems like the same frame with a new paintjob.
They most likely changed the layup a bit and muted it to add comfort. Only way to tell is a demo. Tour version will be popular amongst advanced players
 
RA Numbers are not misleading. RA numbers are RA numbers.

The main problem is that a lot of players do not understand that several things can cause tennis related arm injuries.

1 Stroke Technique - If player does not hit the ball properly, the frame will make little difference.

2 IMPACT Shock - This is the shock that is transferred to the player's arm when the ball impacts the string bed or the frame itself. Stiff frames tend to transfer greater levels of this shock to the arm that more flexible frames do.

3 POST IMPACT VIBRATION Shock - This is the shock that is transferred to the player's arm AFTER the ball has impacted the string bed or frame. When the ball hits the racquet, it sets off a series of vibrations in the racquet frame which can be transferred to the arm. Flexible frames tend to vibrate more and for longer than stiffer frames do so they may transfer more of this shock to the arm than a stiff frame will.

4 GENETICS - Some player's arm's are more susceptible to one type of shock over the other. Some are only affected by one. Some are not affected by either.

So it's important that a player knows their own body and bio-mechanics. That makes it a lot easier for a player to then choose what sort of frame and string config is ideal for them from an injury prevention perspective.
Excellent post. #3 really hurts my arm, and i believe most are not even aware that this exists. Most stiff frames don't bother me, but flexible frames kill my elbow.
 
It is like a lot of these racquet manufs. feel the need to deliver stiffer frames that will appeal to a wider range of players.

You would think that Babolat could produce a frame with (unstrung) stiffness in the low 60s. But for some reason, it chooses to keep passing on that.

Does it have something to do with Babolat's Mass Production process I wonder? Or is simply the case that Babolat wants to sell as many racquets as possible to as many people as possible meaning that stiffer frames are easier to use by beginners who will gravitate to them and stick with them.

I would have thought that the Pure Strike would be the ideal model to target the demographic of Intermediate to Advanced players who desire a less stiff frame in a potent package. And yet?
They do produce those types of frames. It’s just that few rec players buy them.
 
Excellent post. #3 really hurts my arm, and i believe most are not even aware that this exists. Most stiff frames don't bother me, but flexible frames kill my elbow.
I agree on the stiff and stable racquet. When my elbow flared up recently after a bad night with my Vcore 95, I pulled out my Vcore Pro and still felt pain with every shot, in desperation then pulled out the Rf97 and the elbow felt instantly much much better. I was able to continue my hitting session. I was pretty shocked by the amount of instant pain relief it gave me.
Off topic, do you still use the Xi98?
 
They do produce those types of frames. It’s just that few rec players buy them.
Which frames are you specifically referring to? Are you talking about the Junior Frames and the Entry Level Rec frames?

I agree on the stiff and stable racquet. When my elbow flared up recently after a bad night with my Vcore 95, I pulled out my Vcore Pro and still felt pain with every shot, in desperation then pulled out the Rf97 and the elbow felt instantly much much better.
Further to my previous post. In many cases, it is possible to take a flexible frame and make it stiffer by adding lead tape. Of course doing so will change the specifications of the racquet and that has to be considered.

Some "goto" ways of reducing vibration impact shock ...

-Fill the inside of the handle with Blu-Tack of Silicone.
-Use thicker cushioned racquet grips.
-Use appropriate String configuration.
-Add more mass to the racquet
-Reduce grip pressure when hitting the tennis ball.
 
Ditto on this for me. Been playing with the 2014 PS 16x19, just got the PO7 and so far it doesn’t feel as nice to me. Still regret not buying a few more of the 2014s when they were $70/racquet.

Does anyone know the status of foam filling in the PS20? I love the foam feel of the 2014 PS.
 
I agree on the stiff and stable racquet. When my elbow flared up recently after a bad night with my Vcore 95, I pulled out my Vcore Pro and still felt pain with every shot, in desperation then pulled out the Rf97 and the elbow felt instantly much much better. I was able to continue my hitting session. I was pretty shocked by the amount of instant pain relief it gave me.
Off topic, do you still use the Xi98?
I only used it for a short time and went back to my RF97 and H19's. I just started trying out the 2017 18X20 Pure Strike. I'm amazed at the feel this frame has and the stability at such a light weight compared to my RF97. I had the 16X19's briefly awhile back and I must admit that the 18X20 has much better feel. I got a higher launch with the 16X19 and a little more depth, a little less control, but more control, and rpm's with the 18X20. Both gobs of spin but just different.
 
Ditto on this for me. Been playing with the 2014 PS 16x19, just got the PO7 and so far it doesn’t feel as nice to me. Still regret not buying a few more of the 2014s when they were $70/racquet.
Yes the stiffness of the new racket probably will put me off, shame they didn't knock it down a few points, even to OG PS levels. That said I will wait to see the feedback on here after a few months, see if the arm problems are still apparent. If you are in Europe there are lots of 2nd hand 2014s going very cheap, I bought 3 a couple of months ago for 100 euros inc postage!
 

He did play better even though he was still not experienced enough
you can see he could flatten the ball more precisely, he had more feel
and still believe his consistency would have been better throughout his
career so far rather than be so yo-yo on his favorite surface, clay.

Wow. That's a lot of guessing. I think Thiem is doing just fine, and if he couldn't do something with his racket, I am sure he'd find one that he could.
 
its funny. his handle grip size doesnt look small like 1/4 like many posters have said. it looks rather full figured. ala 3/8 at least??
The Babolat insta-story said 2.5 and a picture I saw of his racquet at RG this week has the Gr 3 sticker so I’m guessing it’s a 3 that’s taken down a bit.
 
The Babolat insta-story said 2.5 and a picture I saw of his racquet at RG this week has the Gr 3 sticker so I’m guessing it’s a 3 that’s taken down a bit.
Yeah. That sounds about right. Really doesn’t look like a 2. Either way it’s a custom shape mold. Sooooo????
 
Wow. That's a lot of guessing. I think Thiem is doing just fine, and if he couldn't do something with his racket, I am sure he'd find one that he could.
Not a head guy but the change of string has allowed his PS to be more like the head he once swung
The guy was up and coming then and yet seemed more consistent than he is now as an experienced campaigner
how many players are having success with the PS vs the old Heads?
Thiem is no doubt a super talent and fighter but losing to Schwartzgnomes and even hard courters on clay is sad.
 
I second this.

A stiff and stable frame with good plow through and a generous sweetspot give me the most comfortable feeling at and after impact.
I'm starting to think that this may be what I need. I've been using frames like the Pro Staffs and the Prestige Pros for 15 years and have developed some shoulder issues when I play too often. And it's not bad technique either. I have very sound strokes and mechanics. Maybe it's because of the longer vibrations from the more flexible frames.
 
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