The beginning of the end for Osaka?

#1
As many of you may already know, Osaka has announced she is parting ways with her coach Sacha Bajin. As a long time fan of hers and her rise to being a two-time grand slam champ and current world number one. I can help but feel concerned that the timing of this announcement isn't the best and could impact her motivation and drive in future slams. We have seen champs such as Kerber, impacted negatively following a split from a coach, but eventually bounce back. Personally, I feel the good momentum Naomi had in terms of slams could be brought to a halt. I guess we'll just have to wait for the French Open in a few months time. Keeping in mind that clay has never been her best surface, so its will be interesting to see if she can do well at Wimbledon and defend her US Open title later this year.
 
#3
Every single WTA player (other than Serena) is basically at the “beginning of an end” perpetually. They all play the same game and when results don’t come, confidence falls, the same game is played and tumbling through the rankings one goes.
 
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#4
all the coaches out there are hoping Osaka flops. if she continues to win it might cause the players they are coaching to start wondering if they really need them either. beginning of the end? might be for the coaches if she keeps winning.
 
#6
Osaka seems mentally tougher than all the "here today, gone tomorrow ", contenders.
Someone who seems so meek, humble and respectful to others, must have had a hard time firing this guy. Sharapova let Connors go after a week. No problem there.
 
#7
Its womens tennis

Should could be ranked outside the top 200 in the next 500 days and I wouldnt be shocked in the least
The problem though is that she already racked in a ton of dough with the two slams and endorsements.
So worse case scenario, she's laughing all the way to the bank.

Such is the nature of pro tennis these days.
You can shine for a year or so and retire for the rest of your life!
 
#11
How many players have done that - male or female?
Not many. The point I'm trying to make though is that, worse case scenario, even if she drops off the face of the WTA map,
she's still set up for life. Such is the nature of the game today.

She will continue to play of course, win or lose, but it's still a fact of life that we need not pity any of these current top players
with any 'surprising' career moves they make.

Do you think Bartoli has any regrets? Or Mugur? Or Woz? Or.....
They're all happy they were able to cash in and maximize their potential.
 
#15
Wow did not see this coming. I like both persons but I don't know what happened to make them split, super odd. I hope Naomi didn't split because she didn't think he was a good coach cause clearly he's a fantastic coach, must be another reason, could Sascha wanted to go somewhere else? Not sure........
 
#16
Wow did not see this coming. I like both persons but I don't know what happened to make them split, super odd. I hope Naomi didn't split because she didn't think he was a good coach cause clearly he's a fantastic coach, must be another reason, could Sascha wanted to go somewhere else? Not sure........
I think something personal happened because if she wanted to discard Sascha then it would have been the off season not now; so something really bad might have occurred she also seems pissed at him
 
#17
I think something personal happened because if she wanted to discard Sascha then it would have been the off season not now; so something really bad might have occurred she also seems pissed at him
Personality clash. I think she's growing more independent and perhaps she doesn't feel like she needs to be guided by him. I do think she needs him or a person like him but I don't know its shocking that even if they didn't get along, the results were amazing.
 
#18
Not many. The point I'm trying to make though is that, worse case scenario, even if she drops off the face of the WTA map,
she's still set up for life. Such is the nature of the game today.

She will continue to play of course, win or lose, but it's still a fact of life that we need not pity any of these current top players
with any 'surprising' career moves they make.

Do you think Bartoli has any regrets? Or Mugur? Or Woz? Or.....
They're all happy they were able to cash in and maximize their potential.
Who's pitying anyone?
I'm just questioning your appearing to question her motivation. Maybe, she's driven to maximize her tennis potential.

To kind of answer my own questions (at least from afar), about the only players I can think of who appeared satisfied with their early $ and had no hunger for the game are Kyrgios and Tomic. Bouchard? Maybe, she capitalized on some early success, or got distracted by other opportunities, but she appears to be fighting back.

Why do you bring up Woz? She's always given a great, consistent effort, and still battling through a bad physical condition.
 
#19
Who's pitying anyone?
I'm just questioning your appearing to question her motivation. Maybe, she's driven to maximize her tennis potential.

To kind of answer my own questions (at least from afar), about the only players I can think of who appeared satisfied with their early $ and had no hunger for the game are Kyrgios and Tomic. Bouchard? Maybe, she capitalized on some early success, or got distracted by other opportunities, but she appears to be fighting back.

Why do you bring up Woz? She's always given a great, consistent effort, and still battling through a bad physical condition.
I think you misread my intentions.

I wasn't talking about Naomi's motivation to play.

People started talking about her possibly taking a huge dive now that she has parted ways with her coach.
I went with that possible scenario (not that I think it will happen).
And I simply said, given her recent success, at least money-wise, she won't have any worries.

She will probably find another coach in short order and everything will be restored again.
I think her motivation to play and achieve further success is extremely strong.

I mentioned a few women players (including Woz) who accumulated around the same number of slams as Osaka, that's all.
 
#20
I think you misread my intentions.

I wasn't talking about Naomi's motivation to play.

People started talking about her possibly taking a huge dive now that she has parted ways with her coach.
I went with that possible scenario (not that I think it will happen).
And I simply said, given her recent success, at least money-wise, she won't have any worries.

She will probably find another coach in short order and everything will be restored again.
I think her motivation to play and achieve further success is extremely strong.

I mentioned a few women players (including Woz) who accumulated around the same number of slams as Osaka, that's all.
 
#21
I think you misread my intentions.

I wasn't talking about Naomi's motivation to play.

People started talking about her possibly taking a huge dive now that she has parted ways with her coach.
I went with that possible scenario (not that I think it will happen).
And I simply said, given her recent success, at least money-wise, she won't have any worries.

She will probably find another coach in short order and everything will be restored again.
I think her motivation to play and achieve further success is extremely strong.

I mentioned a few women players (including Woz) who accumulated around the same number of slams as Osaka, that's all.
My points remain, although I may have inferred more of a negative than what you intended. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
I admit to loving everything I know about Osaka, and hope that she can be the next big force in women's tennis.
I also tend to think that the great majority of both ATP and WTA players are motivated intrinsically - as well as by all the $, etc. that sometimes go along with their achievements.
 
#25
Osaka is doing perfectly all right.

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#27
It all depends what he bought to the party-if he had some kind of huge influence over her mental state &/or motivated her to practice then you could see her go to pot, if not then she will likely carry on being one of the top players.
 

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#28
All players have split up with their coach many times throughout their career, nothing new.

Osaka will only get better and will win many more slams, regardless of who she chooses for a new coach.
 
#29
Beginning of the end? Maybe.
Will it? Probably not.

To me, this split explains why she was so lackluster against Hsieh and Sevastova. IMO, this actually bodes well for Osaka considering she still won AO19 fairly convincingly at the end, especially after that set2 implosion in the finals.
We'll have to wait and see.
 
#34
all the coaches out there are hoping Osaka flops. if she continues to win it might cause the players they are coaching to start wondering if they really need them either. beginning of the end? might be for the coaches if she keeps winning.
Mental toughness is a personal thing. Osaka making it on her own has no bearings on how other players will fare on their own.
 
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