the best 10 series volkl

[holiday]

Maybe you'll get a birthday surprise and receive the PB10mp 16x19 instead of the PB9.

The guy I talked to said that they would most likely be carrying it (at the expense of the PB9). When I asked when he expected it to come in, he was short on detail, only saying, "First they'll send it out to California and after they get it, we'll be getting it from there." :-?

So,
No birthday surprise yet,
but (drum role please) I have a pb10 16x19 coming... hopefully picking up at bnp paribas/indian wells.. my volkl friend called me from RandDGermany, and let me talk to the lead guy there w/ any options/customization i wanted. But, i just went stock grip, standard length and weight, but 16x19... I know, boring, but w/ the scientific method, you only change one variable...

I'll let you guys know how it plays.
I must admit, now that I have them on the way, i'm stoked, but also realized I could have had BB11Light weighted to 12 by a customizer and probably been very close.

Cheers,
Holiday

 

[danix]

Welcome back Holiday. Did you end up getting a PB9? Curious as to where you added weight, if you did add any.

Also, there's been some speculation that the PB9 is the BB11Light. I think they are slightly different, but not identical. If you've tried both, please share your thoughts on that as well

 

[dParis]

So,
No birthday surprise yet,
but (drum role please) I have a pb10 16x19 coming... hopefully picking up at bnp paribas/indian wells.. my volkl friend called me from RandDGermany, and let me talk to the lead guy there w/ any options/customization i wanted. But, i just went stock grip, standard length and weight, but 16x19... I know, boring, but w/ the scientific method, you only change one variable...

Cheers,
Holiday

Who needs surprises? Every day is a birthday when you can make a call to Germany for a custom frame. :wink: Looks like no retail PB10 16x19. My source is a well respected stringer and retailer but I can't expect him to know everything about every company he stocks (which is quite a few).

Have fun with the new frame. Let us know how it hits.

 

[holiday]

Welcome back Holiday. Did you end up getting a PB9? Curious as to where you added weight, if you did add any.

Also, there's been some speculation that the PB9 is the BB11Light. I think they are slightly different, but not identical. If you've tried both, please share your thoughts on that as well

No, I never got a bp9. winter here in tahoe, so skiing is now the game, tennis again after indian wells, and I when i hit w/ the bb11light, I thought it was a thinner beam then the 9's, but I didn't ever check beam width.

Cheers,
Holiday

 

[holiday]

pb 10 mp 16x19!

so, I strung up the new frame and hit w/ it for the first time today.

Great racket. the 18x20 is great as well, but I've always liked a more open string bed, as I don't generate that much racket head speed. the more open strings definitely allow the the ball to bite more for me, and in playing them both back to back, while the difference was minor, I definitely liked the 16x19 better...

i play gut, or gut/high end synthetic hybrid, and I love 16x19, but for all you poly people, I think it could be a big postive as well. The main positives I've heard for 18x20 is less sting movement and breakage, and w/ poly, those things become less a factor...

I think they should make a batch of them for TW, and if some of the volkl fans on this site showed some demand, that might be able to happen.

Cheers,
Wade

 

[sargeinaz]

so, I strung up the new frame and hit w/ it for the first time today.

Great racket. the 18x20 is great as well, but I've always liked a more open string bed, as I don't generate that much racket head speed. the more open strings definitely allow the the ball to bite more for me, and in playing them both back to back, while the difference was minor, I definitely liked the 16x19 better...

i play gut, or gut/high end synthetic hybrid, and I love 16x19, but for all you poly people, I think it could be a big postive as well. The main positives I've heard for 18x20 is less sting movement and breakage, and w/ poly, those things become less a factor...

I think they should make a batch of them for TW, and if some of the volkl fans on this site showed some demand, that might be able to happen.

Cheers,
Wade

That's awesome. Could you post pics of the racket strung by any chance? Thanks in advance.

 

[JT Corona]

Now if you could somehow talk them into making me a PB10MP with a 95 sq in head, you would be the Greatest. Not only would I enjoy it, but I'm sure many of their players would to and they then could give me a million bucks for coming up with the idea... ok so I'm dreaming

PS - sounds like sargeinaz wants visual proof. lol

 

[mctennis]

Hi Jon,

I always buy four of any frame I am seriously considering. This allows me two benefits:

1. I can string them with assorted strings at various tensions to be certain that I don't pass up a frame I'd really love b/c it has the wrong string/tension. I think the (generally speaking) lousy string jobs in most demos makes their use more or less pointless.
CC

I agree with you Craig. I usually buy 3 or 4 of the same racquet. I try different strings combos and tensions. That gives me the best indication if the racquet will work for me or not. I also agree the demo strings are usually not the best indication of how the racquet actually plays.

 

[Rabbit]

Now if you could somehow talk them into making me a PB10MP with a 95 sq in head, you would be the Greatest. Not only would I enjoy it, but I'm sure many of their players would to and they then could give me a million bucks for coming up with the idea... ok so I'm dreaming

PS - sounds like sargeinaz wants visual proof. lol

OK, let's talk turkey.....

Wilson = American Company = 95 square inches = nice round number
Volkl = German Company = 630 square centimeters = nice round number

Wilson = American Company = 90 square inches = nice round number
Volkl = German Company = 600 square centimeters = nice round number

Hold either pair of frames up together and you won't see any difference. 630 sq cm sounds better in Germany than 618 sq cm (95 sq in). Likewise, 95 square inches sounds better in America than 618 sq cm....

It's a legacy number that sounds better for MARKETING.

Hold a Wilson 95 up to the Wilson 90....not too much difference in the head size. The difference is in weight/balance, same with the Volkl 600 versus the 630.

 

[mctennis]

The Tour 10 Gen 1 was my favourite. But the Delta Core Legend may well be better. I am still experimenting with it. The only thing I would say is that if you have a ohbh the fact that it is only 4pts headlight may not assist if you play on fast courts. On slower courts it may prove to be a monster.

cc

Let me know how you like this racquet. I just bought some of these also. I've not experimented with the strings yet. Not sure what set up to use. It felt pretty good the couple of hours I hit with it. Thanks.
mctennis72@yahoo.com

 

[sargeinaz]

Oh no, i just wanted to see what it looked like. I don't think holiday is lying. Why would somebody want to lie about a tennis racket? Ill give him the benefit of the doubt with or without a pic.

 

[mctennis]

Silly thought. Here's a 16x19 10 series that no one has considered:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCVOLKL-PB10JR.html

Now, hear me out. It's a junior but only 0.2" shorter. And it's a Volkl, which means modular grip pallets. I don't see any reason you couldn't swap the pallets for the standard length and size, and make yourself a PB10 16x19 for around $100.

I'm unable to play for 6-8 weeks at least so I'm not going to try it. Anyone else want to give it a whirl?

I hope I play you when you use this racquet. Se how your arm and shoulder feel the next couple of days after that. You may decide it wasn't such a good deal to buy and use. IMHO.

 

[danix]

I stopped by a local shop today to pick up some more lead tape to tweak my second PB9. While I was there, I compared the PB9 to the PB10mid (I actually tried buying a mid the other day but they didn't have any in stock and said they didn't carry it). Super minimal difference in headsize. The mid looked oddly oval, not sure if it was the paint scheme or the string job, but definitely something I noticed.
The PB10 is of course a bit thinner than the PB9.

I also picked up the PB10MP lite and it's 18x20. I thought someone had posted saying it's 16x19 but just confirmed that was the BB11 Lite he was talking about.

I'm still using the PB9 with 6g total at 3/9, and counterweighted at the handle. I bought a new scale and the frame weighs in, strung with overgrip and rubber band, at 340g.

Oh, surprise surprise, I saw Volkl balls on the shelf.

 

[mctennis]

I currently use the C10 Pro Tour and the C10 Comp. I haven't found any other racquet that hits and feels quite the same. I've used these since the 90's. I hated to see them stop making both these racquets. I think the baseline and net shots have better control to them. The C 10 Pro didn't have quite the same feel at the baseline. At the net the C10 didn't have the stability for the volley. The head didn't feel quite as solid. IMHO.

 

[JT Corona]

OK, let's talk turkey.....

Wilson = American Company = 95 square inches = nice round number
Volkl = German Company = 630 square centimeters = nice round number

Wilson = American Company = 90 square inches = nice round number
Volkl = German Company = 600 square centimeters = nice round number

Hold either pair of frames up together and you won't see any difference. 630 sq cm sounds better in Germany than 618 sq cm (95 sq in). Likewise, 95 square inches sounds better in America than 618 sq cm....

It's a legacy number that sounds better for MARKETING.

Hold a Wilson 95 up to the Wilson 90....not too much difference in the head size. The difference is in weight/balance, same with the Volkl 600 versus the 630.

I agree if you look at them side by side, the difference could be very slight, but I'm mostly relating it to feel. For me something bet. a 93 and 95 head size generally feels more compact and scalpel-like without really penalizing me in the least when it comes to power, spin etc. When preparing for a stroke feels easier to maneuver this headsize and I feel more connection to the stroke. I've demoed a number of 95's and it seems like the perfect headsize for me. I mean I can go a little smaller or larger with little to no adjustment but my ideal stick would be ~95. The 98 on the PB10MP also is a little larger than the i.Radical MP98 I was using. Sure I like nice round numbers and manufacturers do tend to go this way as well for simplicity but I dont think it would change my preference. This is just my opinion on what I like. All players prefer different things. Some cant and wont even consider adjusting to a more rectangular grip. All things being equal, I'm sure you would even lean one way or the other if it was bet a 90 or 95. Based on your reasoning, why even make different headsizes. Why not just have them all be more or less 85 sq in like most wood racquets were, or only make 90s and 100s, nothing inbetween.

("Talk Turkey" - US informal, to discuss something honestly and directly. (just thought I'd give a definition, not heard it used often but its a cool saying) To talk turkey is from 1824, supposedly from an elaborate joke about a swindled Indian.)

 

[JT Corona]

Oh no, i just wanted to see what it looked like. I don't think holiday is lying. Why would somebody want to lie about a tennis racket? Ill give him the benefit of the doubt with or without a pic.

I am of the firm belief that Holiday is an honorable man as well

My guess is its probably the same bumblebee color scheme as the regular one.

 

[holiday]

I am of the firm belief that Holiday is an honorable man as well

My guess is its probably the same bumblebee color scheme as the regular one.

thx,
and yes, it's identical to the 18x20.
they just put the 16x19 pattern of the bb11light in in the frame/paint job of the pb10mp.

cheers,
holiday

 

[holiday]

pic, as requested

i'm not sure if this will work, but it said it needed a url, not a file location, so i got a url on a photo site.

a few sticks on this file,

pb10, is my keeper,

if anyone wants the others now that I'm dialed, make an offer,
c10 pro, no graphic 4 3/8 gut syn hybrid
c10 pro, sanded down, 4 3/8 gut/syn hybrid
T10 gen 2, 4 3/8 gut/syn hybrid

Cheers,
Holiday

 

[holiday]

maybe that will work.

holiday

 

[ericsson]

maybe that will work.

holiday

Holiday, sent the pics to me, krismerlot@yahoo.com

I will post them for you if you want.

Cheers

 

[Cesare]

Ericsson, i have the chance to buy an used C 10 comp mid, in excellent condition. Can you tell me something about the racquet? Do you think that this frame stills works good? I own a Bb11 becker mid and a Tour v10 engine mid, and both are great sticks. Would like to try this one, especially because of the different string pattern ( 16x18). Thanks, regards.

Cesare

 

[Cesare]

that's 16x18 string pattern.. thanks again

Cesare

 

[Dino Lagaffe]

Ericsson, i have the chance to buy an used C 10 comp mid, in excellent condition. Can you tell me something about the racquet? Do you think that this frame stills works good? I own a Bb11 becker mid and a Tour v10 engine mid, and both are great sticks. Would like to try this one, especially because of the different string pattern ( 16x18). Thanks, regards.
Cesare

Hi Cesare, I hope you don't mind me chiming in.

The C10 Comp Mid is a fantastic stick, one of my favorite racquets ever. What I like the most about it is how versatile it is. Nice soft feel. Maneuverable, decent pop, nice control. I used a gut hybrid, which worked well. I'll add more later if you want me to be more specific about something.

 

[jrod]

Hi Cesare, I hope you don't mind me chiming in.

The C10 Comp Mid is a fantastic stick, one of my favorite racquets ever. What I like the most about it is how versatile it is. Nice soft feel. Maneuverable, decent pop, nice control. I used a gut hybrid, which worked well. I'll add more later if you want me to be more specific about something.

I purchased one of these last year....the 16x18 pattern. It is a nice frame, as is my C10PT. However, they are a tad too heavy for me. I really prefer the newer PB10mid, which plays similar to both of these older frames, yet is easier to swing.

 

[Cesare]

Hi Cesare, I hope you don't mind me chiming in.

The C10 Comp Mid is a fantastic stick, one of my favorite racquets ever. What I like the most about it is how versatile it is. Nice soft feel. Maneuverable, decent pop, nice control. I used a gut hybrid, which worked well. I'll add more later if you want me to be more specific about something.

Thanks so much Dino, i would appreciate it. The only specs i know, are the string pattern and the weight, i think that the racquet, naked, weights 330 grams.Not too much headlight balanced, if i'm not wrong.The paintjob looks cool, very simple and beautiful, in my opinion.just curious about the flex and the swingweight, strung.

Cesare

 

[Cesare]

I purchased one of these last year....the 16x18 pattern. It is a nice frame, as is my C10PT. However, they are a tad too heavy for me. I really prefer the newer PB10mid, which plays similar to both of these older frames, yet is easier to swing.

Thanks so much Jrod, i know what you mean, also with the bb11 mid i can swing very easily, customized the frame with 20 grams, now swingwight is 350, but the racquet stills move well.

 

[Cesare]

Swingweight,sorry..

 

[jrod]

Thanks so much Dino, i would appreciate it. The only specs i know, are the string pattern and the weight, i think that the racquet, naked, weights 330 grams.Not too much headlight balanced, if i'm not wrong.The paintjob looks cool, very simple and beautiful, in my opinion.just curious about the flex and the swingweight, strung.

Cesare

Here is what Dino posted a while back (post #10): http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=239807

I measured mine at 344.3 grams....have not measured SW or flex, but I'd say Dino's numbers appear reasonable. Mine is strung with Tonic mains (15L) and Weisscannon Silverstring crosses (1.20) with a single Wilson overgrip and a rubberband dampener.

 

[Cesare]

Here is what Dino posted a while back (post #10): http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=239807

I measured mine at 344.3 grams....have not measured SW or flex, but I'd say Dino's numbers appear reasonable. Mine is strung with Tonic mains (15L) and Weisscannon Silverstring crosses (1.20) with a single Wilson overgrip and a rubberband dampener.

Silvertrings are great. these( in the Dino's post) are the specs of the c10 pro tour?

 

[jrod]

Silvertrings are great. these( in the Dino's post) are the specs of the c10 pro tour?

Sorry....see here, post #2: http://72.29.176.21/showthread.php?p=4323160

Völkl C10 Comp mid (custom) 370/13.05/60/337

Static weight is WAY higher than what I just measured....not sure if Dino has this weighted up but I can't imagine it is stock. My C10PT feels like the SW is more than my C10 Comp....it's static weight is 353g (identical set-up).

Dino, where are you matey?

 

[Cesare]

Sorry....see here, post #2: http://72.29.176.21/showthread.php?p=4323160

Völkl C10 Comp mid (custom) 370/13.05/60/337

Static weight is WAY higher than what I just measured....not sure if Dino has this weighted up but I can't imagine it is stock. My C10PT feels like the SW is more than my C10 Comp....it's static weight is 353g (identical set-up).

Dino, where are you matey?

I think that dino he's goin' to be married on sunday! hope he's not running away!

 

[jrod]

I think that dino he's goin' to be married on sunday! hope he's not running away!

Sure hope he's protecting all his racquets in a prenupt!!!!

 

[Cesare]

Sure hope he's protecting all his racquets in a prenupt!!!!

:smile::smile::smile::, huge collection!

 

[ericsson]

Ericsson, i have the chance to buy an used C 10 comp mid, in excellent condition. Can you tell me something about the racquet? Do you think that this frame stills works good? I own a Bb11 becker mid and a Tour v10 engine mid, and both are great sticks. Would like to try this one, especially because of the different string pattern ( 16x18). Thanks, regards.

Cesare

Hi Cesare, I hope you don't mind me chiming in.

The C10 Comp Mid is a fantastic stick, one of my favorite racquets ever. What I like the most about it is how versatile it is. Nice soft feel. Maneuverable, decent pop, nice control. I used a gut hybrid, which worked well. I'll add more later if you want me to be more specific about something.

hi, i can only add what's been said here, it is a fantastic stick, very stable and soft Volkl feeling racket, one of the best.

 

[Dino Lagaffe]

I did indeed get married, last Saturday. Prenupts duly signed... :wink:

Yes, the C10 Comp Mid that I measured is marked (custom) in the log because of an added shrink sleave. Thats the only mod, but adds quite a lot of static weight. I have since then gotten a couple of original ones that I should measure instead.

 

[jrod]

I did indeed get married, last Saturday. Prenupts duly signed... :wink:

Yes, the C10 Comp Mid that I measured is marked (custom) in the log because of an added shrink sleave. Thats the only mod, but adds quite a lot of static weight. I have since then gotten a couple of original ones that I should measure instead.

+27 grams? That's one hell of a shrink sleeve Dino....

When I got mine it came with 3 shrink sleeves which I immediately removed. Single grip and 1 overgrip is all mine has on it and it's less than 345 grams strung.

 

[Dino Lagaffe]

+27 grams? That's one hell of a shrink sleeve Dino....

When I got mine it came with 3 shrink sleeves which I immediately removed. Single grip and 1 overgrip is all mine has on it and it's less than 345 grams strung.

I don't remember adding more than the sleeve. Anyway, I'll just have to measure my unmodified ones.

 

[ericsson]

Here's a pic of the PB10 with 16x19 pattern (courtesy Holiday)

 

[0d1n]

String pattern looks similar to our beloved Tour 10 gen 1 ericsson...too bad they don't make that available to "normal people" . I would love a demo of that stick...and possibility of buying.

 

[corners]

String pattern looks similar to our beloved Tour 10 gen 1 ericsson...too bad they don't make that available to "normal people" . I would love a demo of that stick...and possibility of buying.

Me too...!

 

[ericsson]

String pattern looks similar to our beloved Tour 10 gen 1 ericsson...too bad they don't make that available to "normal people" . I would love a demo of that stick...and possibility of buying.

Actually it's not, they took the pattern of the Becker 11 light, the pattern of our beloved T10 is different...
But trust me even if it had the same pattern it wouldnt play like our T10mp, it has to do with the construction/lay up, that's what makes the T10 so special.

 

[0d1n]

Actually it's not, they took the pattern of the Becker 11 light, the pattern of our beloved T10 is different...
But trust me even if it had the same pattern it wouldnt play like our T10mp, it has to do with the construction/lay up, that's what makes the T10 so special.

Oh, I'm convinced it wouldn't be "the same racquet" anyway, that's not what I'm saying. It would just be a "fun test".
With regards to the string pattern, I'm @ work and don't have the racquets on me to compare exactly...but I seem to remember that the tour 10 has the same number of 14 mains going trough the top and bottom crosses like I see in the photo above. That's the detail that gave me that impression not sure what details you see that contradict that "theory" but you could go into a bit more detail.
Come to think of it, there may be more space between the outside mains in this PB drill pattern, maybe the Tour 10 is a bit more "even" from that point of view ??

 

[danix]

I believe the T10MP has a pattern that is slightly denser toward the middle mains.

 

[007]

HOLIDAY: I'd be interested in your Tour 10 Gen II.

Condition, asking price etc....???

Would you consider trading it for a Slaz.ProBraided (original B&W)?

Thanks

 

[holiday]

HOLIDAY: I'd be interested in your Tour 10 Gen II.

Condition, asking price etc....???

Would you consider trading it for a Slaz.ProBraided (original B&W)?

Thanks

PM your email address and I'll send you pics of the T10gen1MP.



Thx Ericsson for putting up the pic.

Od1n, i'm normal, just picky and know the right person (who would be much happier if i wasn't such a demanding pain )

as I said, he did mention that if there seemed to be good interest, a limited run just for TW wasn't out of the question.


cheers,
holiday

 

[Dino Lagaffe]

as I said, he did mention that if there seemed to be good interest, a limited run just for TW wasn't out of the question.
cheers,
holiday

Hmm, I wonder what "good interest" translates into, regarding number of frames needed. Anyway, thanks for the good news!

 

[Shangri La]

What are the specs of the PB10 MP 16/19? Any quick review? Very interested.

 

[Dino Lagaffe]

What are the specs of the PB10 MP 16/19? Any quick review? Very interested.

I assume the specs are the same as the 18/20, just with a 16/19 string pattern.?.

Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 12oz / 340g
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Swingweight: 320
Stiffness: 64
Beam Width: 19 mm Straight Beam
Composition: DNX / Graphite / Fiberglass
Power Level: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Sensor Tour Handle / DNX Grip
String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H
Two Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 50-60 pounds

 

[Dino Lagaffe]

Sorry....see here, post #2: http://72.29.176.21/showthread.php?p=4323160

Völkl C10 Comp mid (custom) 370/13.05/60/337

Static weight is WAY higher than what I just measured....not sure if Dino has this weighted up but I can't imagine it is stock. My C10PT feels like the SW is more than my C10 Comp....it's static weight is 353g (identical set-up).

Dino, where are you matey?

+27 grams? That's one hell of a shrink sleeve Dino....

When I got mine it came with 3 shrink sleeves which I immediately removed. Single grip and 1 overgrip is all mine has on it and it's less than 345 grams strung.

I don't remember adding more than the sleeve. Anyway, I'll just have to measure my unmodified ones.

OK, so I measured two unmodified C10 Comp Mids today, and got the following specs:

Völkl C10 Comp Mid (A)
Weight: 343 g / 12.10 oz
Flex: 59
SW: 323
Balance: 31.75 cm

Völkl C10 Comp Mid (B)
Weight: 344 g / 12.13 oz
Flex: 61
SW: 325
Balance: 32 cm

 

[mctennis]

Dino, did the C 10 Comps look identical? I use these racquets and they made some slight cosmetic changes on them a couple of years apart. Just wondering if they truely had the same yellow paint highlights?
I have 8 Mid and 4 Mid Plus ones.