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If Carlos wins 10 slams within the next 3 years with most against Djokovic we can say he is the true goat, or cabra. Novak is still as fit as ever and 37 is the new 28. No excuse to use. If Carlos starts losing then it's easy to say he is young which is accurate.
 
There will be someone that comes along in 20 years that dominates everything with no rival around where there 5 slams a year format on the calendar and it will make the whole GOAT argument meaningless. I hope there isn’t a 5 slam year but I think the saudis are going to do it just to get more revenue out of it. In the process it will be “who’s goat now with a 5 slam year inflation vs 4 slam year format”
 
TheSlicer said:
i have, and also did watch agassi, he just had no rythm this year but last year he won 3 slams, the level is still there
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Djokovic being dominant can also be because of the field. Alcaraz is supposed to be better than previous gens so of course I hold him to a different standard
 
mike danny said:
Djokovic being dominant can also be because of the field. Alcaraz is supposed to be better than previous gens so of course I hold him to a different standard
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i just feel he has nothing to lose tomorrow honestly, 3 gs at 21... its a win win situation, either he gets another or he learns a lesson that will make him win more
 
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The Guru said:
Such an embarrassingly horrible take it's insane how often and confidently it's spewed
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Tennis gods have decided, he is the chosen one, you can see It in the shoots he plays and how he plays the important moments, its not up to us, greater forces are operating, we can just watch the beauty of his Game, tomorrow your player Will lose like a man, he is an amazing player, but a freak has just arrived and he is more talented and plays better offensive tennis
 
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I think he most likely will reach the highest level of tennis we've ever seen - he's only 21, how good is he going to be at 26 with about 7 years experience of playing 2nd weeks at slams? He's going to be an absolute monster. Whether he will achieve the most ever is another thing entirely, we can never predict the longevity of an athlete early in their career
 
Razer said:
Nobody said that about Sampras's 14 slams at least after Federer's rise.

Federer was touted to break Sampras's record when he won his 4th major.
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They wont say It either about Djokovics 24 if Alcaraz starts doing multislams seasons one after one, besides i wasnt even talking about slams, i was talking even about the possibility of him being considered the greatest even if he doesnt surpass Djokovic slam count, he can have many other achievements and win a bunch of slams too and playing damned entertaining tennis
 
It's very possible that Carlos will be acknowledged to be the best tennis player ever. Think of whom we acknowledged to be the best ever, 25 years ago, Sampras! 15 years ago, Federer! 5 years ago, Djokovic! So in another 5 years, we've a new leader, and for now it'll be Alcaraz!
 
The Guru said:
lol what about who he lost to from 08 W to USO 10
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He mostly lost to himself and his awful fitness

I will say this in Carlos’s favor he is taking care of business quite nicely. But I don’t see him as being the greatest the sport has ever produced.
 
Talking about level of tennis, i have only seen Federer achieve kind of similar peaks, so its basically in his racquet to be the best, he just has to cut off the chocolate, which Federer was indulging with, and take care of his body like novak, is achievable talent wise, and he seems willing to put the rest of the work in, he has good chances
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
There will be someone that comes along in 20 years that dominates everything with no rival around where there 5 slams a year format on the calendar and it will make the whole GOAT argument meaningless. I hope there isn’t a 5 slam year but I think the saudis are going to do it just to get more revenue out of it. In the process it will be “who’s goat now with a 5 slam year inflation vs 4 slam year format”
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I should have specified in the title, i actually wasnt talking only about slams, but overall, talent wise and peak level of tennis wise
 
RS said:
Can I ask why?
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Because how old someone is not a substitute (or even close to it) for how well they play. If Djokovic sucks tomorrow and Carlos loses, then yeah sure maybe it'd be embarrassing though even then probably not because basically no 21 year olds in history have ever been good enough to even put themselves in that position. It's all just incredibly stupid. Like oh how embarrassing for Lendl he got straight setted by an 18 year old in the Wimbledon final in the heart of his prime. Never mind that 18 year old was the defending champion and was an amazing player but oh nope who cares people are just their age and nothing more. The reductionism is insane and its constant and I would say its the worst analysis we see on here but it's not even analysis.

The truth is most ATGs would lose to 37 year old Djokovic (and Federer for that matter) at Wimbledon at the age of 21 so if Carlos does that tomorrow it's far from embarrassing especially if Djokovic plays near his best. Djokovic is still capable of playing great tennis he hasn't shown it this year but the YEC F was an absolute masterclass and that was only 6 months ago.
 
Kralingen said:
He mostly lost to himself and his awful fitness

I will say this in Carlos’s favor he is taking care of business quite nicely. But I don’t see him as being the greatest the sport has ever produced.
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Yeah and that's a lot worse to losing to two of the best 5 players in the world.

Sure me neither but that has nothing to do with him suffering a few losses late in slams to some of the best players in the world before the age he could legally drink
 
TheSlicer said:
They wont say It either about Djokovics 24 if Alcaraz starts doing multislams seasons one after one, besides i wasnt even talking about slams, i was talking even about the possibility of him being considered the greatest even if he doesnt surpass Djokovic slam count, he can have many other achievements and win a bunch of slams too and playing damned entertaining tennis
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The world is too Slam Centric now for someone to be called GOAT without surpassing Djokovic's 24, plus Alcaraz will have to deliver 3 slam seasons back to back and still it won't be like the Federer hype of those times.
 
Forgive Me Father said:
Could definitely happen.

It was my impression for some time.

Then Sinner entered the main frame and went to the next level.

He will get the better of Alcaraz in their career, so its gonna be hard for Alcaraz to have that claim.
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Better in the first set only, if tennis was best of 1 sinner could be king i reckon, maybe he can try pickleball, i think he can be goat there
 
Im not even joking, a player like sinner with that body and stamina problem should really consider pickleball, i mean he could rise the sport to new levels and his personality goes Very well with the sport, he could really do well there
 
The Guru said:
Because how old someone is not a substitute (or even close to it) for how well they play. If Djokovic sucks tomorrow and Carlos loses, then yeah sure maybe it'd be embarrassing though even then probably not because basically no 21 year olds in history have ever been good enough to even put themselves in that position. It's all just incredibly stupid. Like oh how embarrassing for Lendl he got straight setted by an 18 year old in the Wimbledon final in the heart of his prime. Never mind that 18 year old was the defending champion and was an amazing player but oh nope who cares people are just their age and nothing more. The reductionism is insane and its constant and I would say its the worst analysis we see on here but it's not even analysis.

The truth is most ATGs would lose to 37 year old Djokovic (and Federer for that matter) at Wimbledon at the age of 21 so if Carlos does that tomorrow it's far from embarrassing especially if Djokovic plays near his best. Djokovic is still capable of playing great tennis he hasn't shown it this year but the YEC F was an absolute masterclass and that was only 6 months ago.
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Fed at 38 was playing at a much higher level than this Djokovic and Djokovic is not the same titan on grass as Fed.
 
If we don't know it yet and it'll be 'when all's said and done', that suggests you rather mean most successful, unless you're projecting he makes a marked improvement and has a bunch of dominant runs.
 
He'll need a lot more than 25 Slams and 450 weeks at No1 if he wants that. Unlike Djokovic, Nadal and Federer, he won't have to deal with 2 other monsters. Lets be serious for a NY minute here. Djokovic or Nadal or Federer would have likely close to 40 Grand Slams and 700 weeks at No1 if the other 2 didn't exist and if their main rivals were Sinner/Rune/Zverev/Medvedev/Tsitsipas instead. Alcaraz will have such a weak field in comparison. He or anybody else needs minimum 30 Grand Slams and 500 weeks at No1. And still, personally, I'd still rank the Big-3 higher.
 
TheSlicer said:
ok, a bit of a hot take, but today im feeling it, here it is: Carlos alcaraz will be the best tennis player who has ever lived when its all said and done, we just dont know it yet.
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Not with this weak field that he's blowing through. Beating mugs doesn't make you the GOAT.

 
Tennisfan339 said:
He'll need a lot more than 25 Slams and 450 weeks at No1 if he wants that. Unlike Djokovic, Nadal and Federer, he won't have to deal with 2 other monsters. Lets be serious for a NY minute here. Djokovic or Nadal or Federer would have likely close to 40 Grand Slams and 700 weeks at No1 if the other 2 didn't exist and if their main rivals were Sinner/Rune/Zverev/Medvedev/Tsitsipas instead. Alcaraz will have such a weak field in comparison. He or anybody else needs minimum 30 Grand Slams and 500 weeks at No1. And still, personally, I'd still rank the Big-3 higher.
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I would say Carlos needs 50 grand slam titles. Bare minimum.
 
Midaso240 said:
I think he most likely will reach the highest level of tennis we've ever seen - he's only 21, how good is he going to be at 26 with about 7 years experience of playing 2nd weeks at slams? He's going to be an absolute monster. Whether he will achieve the most ever is another thing entirely, we can never predict the longevity of an athlete early in their career
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Yeah I'm not going to count them beans, but for all intents and purposes I backed the kid many years ago because even then in 2022, his highest gear was already one of the highest ever.
 
Tennisfan339 said:
He'll need a lot more than 25 Slams and 450 weeks at No1 if he wants that. Unlike Djokovic, Nadal and Federer, he won't have to deal with 2 other monsters. Lets be serious for a NY minute here. Djokovic or Nadal or Federer would have likely close to 40 Grand Slams and 700 weeks at No1 if the other 2 didn't exist and if their main rivals were Sinner/Rune/Zverev/Medvedev/Tsitsipas instead. Alcaraz will have such a weak field in comparison. He or anybody else needs minimum 30 Grand Slams and 500 weeks at No1. And still, personally, I'd still rank the Big-3 higher.
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It's a lot easier to say that about Federer, he was great without Nadal and Djokovic. It's hard to say whether Nadal or Djokovic would have ever become as great without Federer laying down the marker first
 
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