The Guru
Legend
Was Ruud not top 10 at the FO?
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a10best
Legend
The problem is era comparisons aren't used by future generations. It's all about today or the last 10 years max who has the lead, 0's and 1's, all binary.
If Carlos wins 25 slams, the tennis world and media will declare Carlos better since his future H2H against Djokovic will inevitably be better as he improves. The weeks at #1 or YEC are trivial stats for tennis forum fans to separate the big 3. Like any individual sport, it has always been the number of major titles to determine who's the best.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'm just telling it like it is. One who is supposed to be GOAT, i.e. better than the Big 3 should not lose to a player this old.
The Guru
Legend
Whoever you consider the GOAT (Federer or Djokovic) lost to someone worse at the same age at Wimbledon
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, but I'm talking about the big matches here.
The Guru
Legend
So he's already ahead by even making it to the big match
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic played prime Fedal in 3/4 slams where he reached at least the semis.
The Guru
Legend
This all seems like a moot point now as Carlos seems like he's on his way to a routine win but it's still worth pointing out how silly it is to say Carlos could never be better than Djokovic or Fed if he had a bad final performance despite the fact that his performance is already far better than what they did at this age. Additionally as stated above, your age based "analysis" is completely worthless.
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
You're only looking at Wimb instead of the overall picture which is more worthless.
The Guru
Legend
Well considering we're talking about Wimbledon I'd say it's appropriate and Carlos is clearly ahead in the overall picture too and I'm happy to defend that statement.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I wasn't talking just about Wimb though.
The Guru
Legend
"We’ll see how it goes tomorrow first. Nobody who loses to a 37 year old will get close to that." That's clearly talking about the final tomorrow and saying if Carlos loses that match he can't be as good as whoever you consider the GOAT even though whoever you consider the goat would lose to that 37 year old at the same stage in their careers.
You meant 25, consecutively?
Racquet_smash
Professional
With this level of competition? Maybe. The best opponent he had in order to win slams has been geriatric Djokovic.
Clay lover
Legend
From today and throughout his career you can observe just how gracefully he handles pressure. Dude's probably the most mentally tough player on the tour now with an aggressive game to boot when normally you associate mental toughness with grinders.
His game is probably not at the highest absolute level compared to ATGs at the moment - it has always had shaky bits. But his mentality of just giving adversity a smile, daring to do the right thing at the right time and not crumbling under pressure when opponents come back like Federer has allowed him to climb height after height.
Nadal was mentally tough but his defensive game sometimes hurt him no matter how tough he was; Novak can be ice cold and brutally focused but he has had his own self destructive moments - Carlos is something else
His game is probably not at the highest absolute level compared to ATGs at the moment - it has always had shaky bits. But his mentality of just giving adversity a smile, daring to do the right thing at the right time and not crumbling under pressure when opponents come back like Federer has allowed him to climb height after height.
Nadal was mentally tough but his defensive game sometimes hurt him no matter how tough he was; Novak can be ice cold and brutally focused but he has had his own self destructive moments - Carlos is something else
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