The best Wilson Six One 95?
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gino
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LiquidWhip
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smalahove
Hall of Fame
I'm currently playing with the RF97A, alternating occasionally with the 6.1 95S (weighed up). Both are great frames!
I do understand why Wilson discontinued the 6.1 95 line, to the advantage of the RF97A in particular imo, as they have common DNA, whilst the PS97 is a more accessible version to most players than the 6.1 95 16x18 or 18x20. However, I do think they should have made the PS97 more solid, more in lign with the RF97A or PS97S, as well as offering a RF97A type of frame in a 18x20 pattern. I would really like to have tried an RF97A in that pattern, as I suspect that would have made it more controllable without too many drawbacks, when it comes to spin aso.
I do understand why Wilson discontinued the 6.1 95 line, to the advantage of the RF97A in particular imo, as they have common DNA, whilst the PS97 is a more accessible version to most players than the 6.1 95 16x18 or 18x20. However, I do think they should have made the PS97 more solid, more in lign with the RF97A or PS97S, as well as offering a RF97A type of frame in a 18x20 pattern. I would really like to have tried an RF97A in that pattern, as I suspect that would have made it more controllable without too many drawbacks, when it comes to spin aso.
You have valid points but my experience has been that RF97 is a great frame but it is not as easy to swing compared with Wilson 6.1 being at the same overall weight.My K Factor 6.1 with 34O plusSW swings way easier than RF97 demo at 335 SW.
Not sure how many young players have picked this racquet after RF97 came out, I see kids in US playing 2 to 3 matches in a day during USTA tournaments and I hardly see it among 1000 plus kids in these tournaments which is a big sample.
Upcoming youngesters like
Denis Shapovalov
,Kyle Edmund
Reilly Opelka
have started using Wilson 6.1 probably at a young age and I doubt how many young kids can swing RF97 for 2 or 3 matches in a day.
I also agree with you that may be they should release RF97 in 18*20 and before that weight distribution has to be changed so it can be used by young and upcoming youngesters.
May be go back to Wilson 6.1 mold and work from there also keep in mind that Babolat is not making big changes to Pure Drive best selling frame in the last many years.
"Why change a great frame that has worked for many generations" Plus there is a proof that Delpatro and other youngesters doing well against players that are using Babolat frames.
brownbearfalling
Hall of Fame
1. K factor 18x20. This one had the most distinctive "crack" to it when hit. Felt so crisp and swung so easily.
2. Blx 2010 18x20. Currently playing. A bit less harsh. A tad soft with the same control and precision.
3. Hyper carbon 16x18. Played with back in the day. Favorite cosmetic.
4. Psc. I always felt it was a little more sluggish than the newer models but it played well.
Worse generation:
2012 blx. Amplifeel inserts killed the frame. I think after 26+ years of the frames existence Wilson tried to do too much to it. I had the wrist problems that everyone else was experiencing. The gripsize seemed to be bigger and the frame seemed to be more narrow. Harshest of all the frames.
I think it's safe to assume that Wilson wasn't selling enough six ones to continue the line. I really think they made sure this happened with the 2 most recent generations and instead of fixing it, they killed it. But in reality Just like 90s are being phased out now it looks like stiff, heavy 95s are things of the past too. The burn 95 which is ntour 95, isn't quite the same. But it seems most people have found alternatives like the ps97. I always thought the tecnifibre fight 325 and 315 were pretty close. I'll cry and moan about the six one line but you can't blame a company for doing what makes them the most momey
2. Blx 2010 18x20. Currently playing. A bit less harsh. A tad soft with the same control and precision.
3. Hyper carbon 16x18. Played with back in the day. Favorite cosmetic.
4. Psc. I always felt it was a little more sluggish than the newer models but it played well.
Worse generation:
2012 blx. Amplifeel inserts killed the frame. I think after 26+ years of the frames existence Wilson tried to do too much to it. I had the wrist problems that everyone else was experiencing. The gripsize seemed to be bigger and the frame seemed to be more narrow. Harshest of all the frames.
I think it's safe to assume that Wilson wasn't selling enough six ones to continue the line. I really think they made sure this happened with the 2 most recent generations and instead of fixing it, they killed it. But in reality Just like 90s are being phased out now it looks like stiff, heavy 95s are things of the past too. The burn 95 which is ntour 95, isn't quite the same. But it seems most people have found alternatives like the ps97. I always thought the tecnifibre fight 325 and 315 were pretty close. I'll cry and moan about the six one line but you can't blame a company for doing what makes them the most momey
The 6.1 was and still is Wilson's best racquet as evidenced by all the touring pros using it under the PS97 paintjob. I think Wilson discontinued it because they invested so much time and money into Federer's racquet that they decided to cut costs elsewhere. They took a huge gamble in hoping to steer 6.1 users to the RF97 and PS97 but loyal 6.1 users like me aren't happy. Even though the RF97 may have similar swingweight to the 6.1, it swung way slower due to a lot of weight being in the throat area. Swingweight numbers don't reveal this factor in the way a racquet swings.
Just ordered a 6.1 95S off the bay. I used one a few years ago but gave up on it after some elbow pain. Really did enjoy the racquet but maybe did not give it long enough try, meaning different strings, etc...
If it still bothers me I will re-sell it. Looking forward to try it again.
If it still bothers me I will re-sell it. Looking forward to try it again.
gino
Legend
Add some weight to the handle/throat area and it will become much more arm-friendly, mate!
The 95S is lighter than the standard Six.One 95, presumably to make it more whippy for even more spin. I put silicone in the handle and lead under the bumper to bring it up near the normal Six.One 95 spec and it felt a lot more comfortable.
[edit] ...what gino said.
Thanks for the tip!
gino
Legend
+1 here. I actually found the 95S to be more comfortable than any of my other 6.1's that I have used once it has weight added. Very very plush and comfortable -- even outside the sweetspot
By the way have you tried the Pro Staff 97S? Was wondering how you think it compares to the 6.1 95S.
gino
Legend
I have not. I use the regular pro staff 97 and love it. The 97S seems to get great reviews/feedback from guys who were exclusively using the PS85/90/95 because it is the closest thing left to a Wilson box-beam
blu tac works great too. Cheaper and easier.
Some advice needed here.
I want to string higher to control the open patterm (16X18), not necessarily the power.... if that makes sense. I am already at 56lbs full poly.
Now this is comfortable for me, it could be due to my stringing machine or my method, but there is a lot of pocketing at 55lbs and lower to the equivalent of 45lbs in my old pro staff 90. So maybe I need to check my machine ( it is rocking a bit at the table?..)
Should I go up to 60 and add some weight to the hoop. Would I get loads of plowthrough but also the higher tension would play more predictable?
I want to string higher to control the open patterm (16X18), not necessarily the power.... if that makes sense. I am already at 56lbs full poly.
Now this is comfortable for me, it could be due to my stringing machine or my method, but there is a lot of pocketing at 55lbs and lower to the equivalent of 45lbs in my old pro staff 90. So maybe I need to check my machine ( it is rocking a bit at the table?..)
Should I go up to 60 and add some weight to the hoop. Would I get loads of plowthrough but also the higher tension would play more predictable?
DustinW
Professional
What string are you using?
pro's pro ichian spin
DustinW
Professional
Hmmm, I don't know that one. I was just thinking that you might be able to move to a poly with more control and keep your tension the same.
Just an update got my 6.1 95S in today and it weighed in at 350 grams which surprised me. It did have a Babolat leather grip installed so I expected maybe 340ish. I wonder if there is lead under the bumper somewhere.
Anyway played a match with it tonight and I played very well with it. Was getting monster spin on my forehand and volleyed really well with it. I definitely feel my forehand and volley were better than my RF97 but my backhand and serve feel better with the RF97. Overall I felt more consistent with it, I think because of the 18 mains and less power compared to RF. I know only one match but so far I like it. Was strung with RPM Blast, don't normally use full poly but it felt pretty good.
Anyway played a match with it tonight and I played very well with it. Was getting monster spin on my forehand and volleyed really well with it. I definitely feel my forehand and volley were better than my RF97 but my backhand and serve feel better with the RF97. Overall I felt more consistent with it, I think because of the 18 mains and less power compared to RF. I know only one match but so far I like it. Was strung with RPM Blast, don't normally use full poly but it felt pretty good.
C
Chadillac
Guest
ncode 6.1 95 16*18, by far the best. They kept getting stiffer and stiffer
Phantasm
Semi-Pro
I always come back to my Hyper Pro Staff or my nCode once in a while as they were my first rackets as a junior. Both 16x18. I've been enjoying a more closed pattern lately so I've been using a weighted up MG Radical.
I always have at least one in my bag if i want to hit with it.
I always have at least one in my bag if i want to hit with it.
TUPAC_RIP
New User
Is your racquet 2nd hand?
I think it's natural to weight 350g.
Racquet with Wilson Sublime grip(12g): 309g
Strings: 17g
Babolat leather grip: 27g
Overgrip(?): 7g
Dampener(?): 3g
Total: 309+27-12+17+7+3=351g
My Six One 95S weights 333g
Racquet: 309g
Strings (Solinco Tour Bite 16L): 17g
Overgrip: 7g
Rubber band: 0.2g
Total: 309+17+7+0.2=333.2g
Also the specifications are not always accurate. I mean that all Six One 95S 's are not exactly the same. One racquet might be 306g and another might be 312g.
In conclusion I have a question for all off you:
My racquet (Six One 95S) is filled with silicone in the handle. Is that normal? How about yours guys?
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Rock Strongo
Legend
The best 6.1 is the Mega Age M2 at ~364 grams.
Is your racquet 2nd hand?
I think it's natural to weight 350g.
Racquet with Wilson Sublime grip(12g): 309g
Strings: 17g
Babolat leather grip: 27g
Overgrip(?): 7g
Dampener(?): 3g
Total: 309+27-12+17+7+3=351g
My Six One 95S weights 333g
Racquet: 309g
Strings (Solinco Tour Bite 16L): 17g
Overgrip: 7g
Rubber band: 0.2g
Total: 309+17+7+0.2=333.2g
Also the specifications are not always accurate. I mean that all Six One 95S 's are not exactly the same. One racquet might be 306g and another might be 312g.
In conclusion I have a question for all off you:
My racquet (Six One 95S) is filled with silicone in the handle. Is that normal? How about yours guys?
Yes I bought it used. Yeah I guess not too far off I think the Babalot leather is heavier than most plus strung with RPM Blast 16. I might swap it out for a Wilson leather which I have found is one of the lightest leather grips.
Will check mine for silicone and let you know.
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Is your racquet 2nd hand?
I think it's natural to weight 350g.
Racquet with Wilson Sublime grip(12g): 309g
Strings: 17g
Babolat leather grip: 27g
Overgrip(?): 7g
Dampener(?): 3g
Total: 309+27-12+17+7+3=351g
My Six One 95S weights 333g
Racquet: 309g
Strings (Solinco Tour Bite 16L): 17g
Overgrip: 7g
Rubber band: 0.2g
Total: 309+17+7+0.2=333.2g
Also the specifications are not always accurate. I mean that all Six One 95S 's are not exactly the same. One racquet might be 306g and another might be 312g.
In conclusion I have a question for all off you:
My racquet (Six One 95S) is filled with silicone in the handle. Is that normal? How about yours guys?
I bought 2 16X18 2014s from the same retailer. Around 2 months apart. One of them was the usual foam. The other had silicone but only around 2/3 inches from the bottom. They also play a little differently but still not sure yet.
TUPAC_RIP
New User
Thank you for your replies.
I know most of them have foam filling but mine is filled all the way up to the butt cap with silicone. I was wondering if it was just me because I bought it 2nd hand and I assumed the predessecor had customized it.
!<-_->!
Hall of Fame
Hit with my 2014 6.1 16x18 yesterday. The launch angle and power level compared to my Youtek Prestige MP is ridiculously high. Couldn't keep the balls in at all. What are you guys stringing at and with what? One of mine was strung w/ Lux ALU Fluro at 48 and the other a black twisted poly at 55.
TUPAC_RIP
New User
Is this the 95S (Spin Effect) ?
I think "no". 6.1 95S has 18x16 pattern.
Yeah I had the same problem but you used to use a dense pattern right? so even more so for you. Well all I can say is that you can tame it. I string at 57/58 or sometimes 56/58. The higher crosses allows for a lower angle. Also I played with a 1.33 gauge with great success, it played almost like a dense pattern. The real issue is that where I strike the ball it is very open but in the middle of the frame it is dense. What is strange for me, is that when I hit flat, I get loads of control but with spin it seems more erratic. Could be this string pattern. I'm still getting the best results on the court with this racket but that could be just me hehe. On my forehand I swing even more low to high and it helps, you can get some crazy spin with it.
Love serving, love my backhand, love defense. Slices are fine, volleys are good. My forehand is a little worse than before. I used to use the prostaff 90. As I said previously, if it was 16X19 or the openness of the strings nearer to the top was reduced it would be perfect. Still a fantastic racket but I probably would prefer playing with the dense pattern with a thin string or a lower tension, unfortunately they weren't available at the great price I found these babies for.
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
NCode 6.1 16x18 for me...loved that racquet
wsk429
Semi-Pro
Is that the candy cane version?
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
I just got two more 6.1 95S. This is the best 6.1 for non-professionals with a more playable 317 SW. Has a huge sweet spot and good 6.1 feel without being stiff.
TUPAC_RIP
New User
Where did you get them from?
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
Used like new. Check for sale section.
TUPAC_RIP
New User
Oh, ok. I thought you bought them brand new.
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
I think tnns xpress still has them in stock for $89. They are pre-strung for some reason.
gino
Legend
Definitely the most flexible 6.1 ever made
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
I'd like to make an update on this to not misguide anyone here.
These new racquets play nothing like the initial version of 6.1 95S.
Not sure what the reason is for this but it looks like Wilson used different material in the newer version. That says a lot about Wilson's QC and their respect to their customers.
What I've found:
- Feel is completely different. Lovely 6.1 feel is gone.
- Stiffer. Not only the feel is worse, it is also stiffer (in a bad way).
- Sweet spot is smaller
- Because of the balance distribution, response/control is not as reliable.
gino
Legend
Man, that's a major bummer, any other info on the feel? Response? Are you using the same string set up?
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
Same string. Feel was bad as I mentioned, stiff but not crispy stiff.
Initial 95S version didn't have 'Spin' logo in the butt cap.
xFullCourtTenniSx
Hall of Fame
Haven't tried anything after the K95. But I like n95>PSC95>K95. K95 just had way too much power for me. n95 was great. I could swing out and not hit long. The PSC had a bit more pop, but I could compensate comfortably with a little more topspin. The K95 I had to use even more topspin. If you prefer more power though, I'd imagine your list would be in the opposite direction. I heard the BLX95s were pretty good though, especially the second iteration (the red one with some white on it).
