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Some cannot accept the reality that Djokovic is an excellent grass courter.This thread is hilarious.
Some cannot accept the reality that Djokovic is an excellent grass courter.This thread is hilarious.
Djoker beat Federer 3 times and Nadal 2 times at Wimbledon. Won 11 matches over TOP 10 players at Wimbledon, just one less than Borg and one more than Sampras. Djoker deservedly belongs to the club of 5+ Wimbledon champions.
Some cannot accept the reality that Djokovic is an excellent grass courter.![]()
Oh, your excuses about Fed's age. Federer in Wimbledon 2014 & 15 was in better form than in Wimbledon 2010 & 11. I'll show you why - Berdych defeated Federer in four sets in 2010. Seven years later, Roger defeated him without losing a set. Although Fed was seven years older, it was in better form than it was in 2010. And Fed's 2017 form was on a similar level to that of 2015. In other words, Fed from Wimbledon 2010 and 2011 would be easy prey for Djoker from Wimbledon 2014 and 2015.wins over ~33 old federer. fed at ~31 beat prime djoko convincingly.
4 Wims at prime or prime-ish level, that's it. the other 3 involved significant luck/hyper-inflation era - in other words flop competition.
He's a little below Borg on grass.
grass depends least on rankings among surfaces. seedings is better, though still not that great. even then Sampras beating #12 seed rafter in Wim 00 is better than DJoko beating top 10 Berr/Shaps in Wim 21.
How come you bothering lmao.Oh, your excuses about Fed's age. Federer in Wimbledon 2014 & 15 was in better form than in Wimbledon 2010 & 11. I'll show you why - Berdych defeated Federer in four sets in 2010. Seven years later, Roger defeated him without losing a set. Although Fed was seven years old, it was in better form than it was in 2010. And Fed's 2017 form was on a similar level to that of 2015. In other words, Fed from Wimbledon 2010 and 2011 would be easy prey for Djoker from Wimbledon 2014 and 2015.
I think you underestimate Berrettini. He has the potential to be a multiple Wimbledon winner in the future. Among Next Gen players is Matteo clearly the best on grass.
Nole is now a better / greater Wimbledon player than Borg. More titles and longer life.
Greatest player of all era's?7 time winner, I repeat 7 time winner...
Oh, your excuses about Fed's age. Federer in Wimbledon 2014 & 15 was in better form than in Wimbledon 2010 & 11. I'll show you why - Berdych defeated Federer in four sets in 2010. Seven years later, Roger defeated him without losing a set. Although Fed was seven years older, it was in better form than it was in 2010. And Fed's 2017 form was on a similar level to that of 2015. In other words, Fed from Wimbledon 2010 and 2011 would be easy prey for Djoker from Wimbledon 2014 and 2015.
I think you underestimate Berrettini. He has the potential to be a multiple Wimbledon winner in the future. Among Next Gen players is Matteo clearly the best on grass.
Nole is now a better / greater Wimbledon player than Borg. More titles and longer life.
Greatest player of all era's?
I was asking if you think Djokovic is the greatest.What is your angle?
I was asking if you think Djokovic is the greatest.
According to the ATP and ITF, Novak Djokovic has won 7 Wimbledon titles, Andy Murray has won 2. YOU should try to deal with FACTS as your opinion means nothing.Nope. Mega lucky Djoko has super inflated count at Wim thanks to hyper-inflation era. Deal with it.
According to the ATP and ITF, Novak Djokovic has won 7 Wimbledon titles, Andy Murray has won 2. YOU should try to deal with FACTS as your opinion means nothing.
Well Fed for exemple won GSs vs Philipoussis and Baghdatis. I don't think this era is weaker than the early 00s so let's take the facts they are.Every era have strengths and weaknesses and it's subjective their strength.ah yes, a 10 year old could have checked on the internet and said the same thing.
But if you don't see how weak/inflated his last 3 wins are, then why bother evaluating/watching tennis.
Djokovic or Federer? If Djokovic wins another Wimbledon title! Who do you got?I was asking if you think Djokovic is the greatest.
Well Fed for exemple won GSs vs Philipoussis and Baghdatis. I don't think this era is weaker than the early 00s so let's take the facts they are.Every era have strengths and weaknesses and it's subjective their strength.
Your IQ level is below 60. Berdych beating federer at 2010 has nothing do with his level. Federers prime ended in 2010. After that he was good in patches was inconsistent. Still a 31 year old Fed outclassed prime novak in 5 sets.Oh, your excuses about Fed's age. Federer in Wimbledon 2014 & 15 was in better form than in Wimbledon 2010 & 11. I'll show you why - Berdych defeated Federer in four sets in 2010. Seven years later, Roger defeated him without losing a set. Although Fed was seven years older, it was in better form than it was in 2010. And Fed's 2017 form was on a similar level to that of 2015. In other words, Fed from Wimbledon 2010 and 2011 would be easy prey for Djoker from Wimbledon 2014 and 2015.
I think you underestimate Berrettini. He has the potential to be a multiple Wimbledon winner in the future. Among Next Gen players is Matteo clearly the best on grass.
Nole is now a better / greater Wimbledon player than Borg. More titles and longer life.
Djokovic with 7 Wimbledons is a little below Borg who has 5...
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There are some salty people on this forum...I swear.
Who did Djokovic beat though. Christian Garin, Kyrgios, Norrie, geriatrics?Djokovic with 7 Wimbledons is a little below Borg who has 5...
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There are some salty people on this forum...I swear.
Kyrgios is god bro. Show some respect for the soon-to-be USO champ.Who did Djokovic beat though. Christian Garin, Kyrgios, Norrie, geriatrics?
gimme a break dude. Borg beat actual competition
Kyrgios shows up and runs through a few qualifiers and walkover stages and suddenly he’s a ‘good player’Kyrgios is god bro. Show some respect for the soon-to-be USO champ.
Another salty one. Who did Borg beat in '78 and '79? Nobody but Connors. If Djokovic didn't beat anybody then he must not have either. Let's forget Djokovic handled Nadal and Federer 5 times for his titles, and his draw in 2014 is tougher than any draw Borg ever had but yea he's below Borg at Wimbledon with 2 more titles. That's only something out of a dreamland.Who did Djokovic beat though. Christian Garin, Kyrgios, Norrie, geriatrics?
gimme a break dude. Borg beat actual competition
That Connors win was more impressive than any of Djokers wins.Another salty one. Who did Borg beat in '78 and '79? Nobody but Connors. If Djokovic didn't beat anybody then he must not have either. Let's forget Djokovic handled Nadal and Federer 5 times for his titles, and his draw in 2014 is tougher than any draw Borg ever had but yea he's below Borg at Wimbledon with 2 more titles. That's only something out of a dreamland.
Nadal Wim 18 SF out of 10?Another salty one. Who did Borg beat in '78 and '79? Nobody but Connors. If Djokovic didn't beat anybody then he must not have either. Let's forget Djokovic handled Nadal and Federer 5 times for his titles, and his draw in 2014 is tougher than any draw Borg ever had but yea he's below Borg at Wimbledon with 2 more titles. That's only something out of a dreamland.
Connors win was more impressive than any Djokovic win? Why, because Connors was #1? Then you should be just as impressed with Djokovic's wins over Nadal in 2011 and 2018. Connors also is not even close to the player Federer is at Wimbledon and I wouldn't even put him on the same level as McEnroe, Edberg or Becker. Djokovic definitely has more impressive wins than Connors.That Connors win was more impressive than any of Djokers wins.
2011 Final was against a version of Nadal who had no backhand all year. WTA serve and sitter forehand bouncing inside the service line.
Then He beat geriatric Fed 3 times.
2018 was impressive though.
8.25 at least.Nadal Wim 18 SF out of 10?
I think I already answered this one before.Nadal Wim 18 SF out of 10?
Nope not to me. I have a spreadsheet lol.I think I already answered this one before.
A spreadsheet? LOL.Nope not to me. I have a spreadsheet lol.
You did Rod 04/09 and Fed 14/15 and Nadal 06. While your at it you can do Nadal 11![]()
You didn't lol. But u had Fed 15 at 8.5 and Fed 14 at 8 further back. Don't know how you rate Nadal compared to them but I assume similar.A spreadsheet? LOL.
I don't know. I would have that Nadal pretty high. What did I rate 2018 Djokovic as?
I would rate that Nadal higher so around an 8.75 at least.You didn't lol. But u had Fed 15 at 8.5 and Fed 14 at 8. Don't know how you rate Nadal compared to them but I assume similar.
Djokovic a 4. Nadal a 9.5You didn't lol. But u had Fed 15 at 8.5 and Fed 14 at 8. Don't know how you rate Nadal compared to them but I assume similar.
TrollNadal an 8.75 gimme a break ahahah.
His FO 2012 level, which was on clay, was not even that high.
But you're the guy that says Djokovic doesn't have any win at Wimbledon more impressive than Connors. The Connors who got whitewashed by Borg, McEnroe, Curren and Cash? Not just beaten but plastered. Ok, do you. Lol.Djokovic a 4. Nadal a 9.5
Peak Nadal can’t beat scrub Djok.
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Nadal at RG 2012 not even a 8.75? What match did you watch?Nadal an 8.75 gimme a break ahahah.
His FO 2012 level, which was on clay, was not even that high.
Certainly not in the final. Not impressed with his spinny short backhand in the final.Nadal at RG 2012 not even a 8.75? What match did you watch?
Good Nadal Wim 08 9.75 settledI would rate that Nadal higher so around an 8.75 at least.
Another salty one. Who did Borg beat in '78 and '79? Nobody but Connors. If Djokovic didn't beat anybody then he must not have either. Let's forget Djokovic handled Nadal and Federer 5 times for his titles, and his draw in 2014 is tougher than any draw Borg ever had but yea he's below Borg at Wimbledon with 2 more titles. That's only something out of a dreamland.
Wait…. Connors? Didn’t he beat Mac in a legendary match? I’m talking about Mac not JCBut you're the guy that says Djokovic doesn't have any win at Wimbledon more impressive than Connors. The Connors who got whitewashed by Borg, McEnroe, Curren and Cash? Not just beaten but plastered. Ok, do you. Lol.
But you're the guy that says Djokovic doesn't have any win at Wimbledon more impressive than Connors. The Connors who got whitewashed by Borg, McEnroe, Curren and Cash? Not just beaten but plastered. Ok, do you. Lol.
Yeah if that Nadal is an 8.75 I have no idea what Nadal 07-08/10 are. 11/10? LmaoooooGood Nadal Wim 08 9.75 settled![]()
You should start a tennis podcast lol.Connors beat Mac in 82. Went 5 vs Borg in 77/81.
and bringing in 85/87 Connors is heights of desperation.