The better player on grass. Djokovic or Murray?

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BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
2013 Murray edges out Djok in 5. Murray’s grass tennis IQ is so high, and his shots suit the surface perfectly.

He's really good on grass, but so is Djokovic. 7 Wimbledon titles don't lie, no matter how easy the draws or how old Federer was, or whatever it is. No player at any slam event reaches that number without being extremely good there.
 

ForehandDTL

Semi-Pro
So because he beat Djokovic once out of 7 matches in 2015, you think he is going to beat Djokovic in the best match he ever played in his career at Wimbledon and on grass? Murray also started hitting his 2nd serve bigger later in his prime, and in 2015 and 2016.

Ehh. I was more impressed by 2011 Djokovic. 2015 Djokovic beat some mediocre players and then 34 year old Fed. Very nice.

He wasn’t hitting particularly big and Fed ran out of gas after two sets. Djokovic was hitting so many neutral balls even ‘08 Fed would have sent those packing. But alas, 2015 was a serious baseline decline for Old Rodgi
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
You’re underrating 2008 Djokovic. That’s for sure.

He was hitting lightning fast backhands that tourney and would have easily won RG 08 if it weren’t for the Clay GOAT.
I'm not saying 2008 RG Djokovic wasn't good. I'm just saying his top level wasn't as high as 2012 Djokovic's was.
 

ForehandDTL

Semi-Pro
I'm not saying 2008 RG Djokovic wasn't good. I'm just saying his top level wasn't as high as 2012 Djokovic's was.
And I’m saying I think they were approximately equal more or less. Djokovic slightly 2008 better attacking game, 2012 slightly better defensive game.

No one is beating Nadal at his own game on clay, so the 2008 variety of Novak probably had the preferred approach if anything.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Ehh. I was more impressed by 2011 Djokovic. 2015 Djokovic beat some mediocre players and then 34 year old Fed. Very nice.

He wasn’t hitting particularly big and Fed ran out of gas after two sets. Djokovic was hitting so many neutral balls even ‘08 Fed would have sent those packing. But alas, 2015 was a serious baseline decline for Old Rodgi
Beating redlining Anderson and Cilic is not exactly mediocre. Also, drawing Kohlschreiber in the 1st round, a guy who made the QF there a couple of years prior, is not ideal.

2015 Djokovic wasn't hitting particularly big? I'm not sure if you actually watched these matches honestly. 2015 final was a slugfest.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
And I’m saying I think they were approximately equal more or less. Djokovic slightly 2008 better attacking game, 2012 slightly better defensive game.

No one is beating Nadal at his own game on clay, so the 2008 variety of Novak probably had the preferred approach if anything.
I simply agree to disagree.
 

ForehandDTL

Semi-Pro
Beating redlining Anderson and Cilic is not exactly mediocre. Also, drawing Kohlschreiber in the 1st round, a guy who made the QF there a couple of years prior, is not ideal.

2015 Djokovic wasn't hitting particularly big? I'm not sure if you actually watched these matches honestly. 2015 final was a slugfest.

Anderson was a good victory. Cilic was pedestrian.

Oldschreiber was tough for a 1st round I guess but he was declined anyways. Not a redlining Kohlschrieber from USO 2013
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
I’m talking about that match in particular.
Nadal was disappointing mid-match losing what, 8 games in a row?
To be fair that had a lot to do with the change in conditions. Not all of it because losing 8 games in a row can't be completely waved away... but it carries an asterisk. I think Djokovic would have gotten straight-setted if the conditions were the same throughout the match.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Schooled...by you? Says the guy who was adamant that Djokovic would never win more than 17 Slams. LOL. Put some ointment on it.

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Tcch, tcch tcch the desperation from you. I already addressed that part. You don't even know basic difference b/w analysis of what happened and prediction or just pretending you don't?
You still don't have the guts/honesty to address Borg beating prime Mac in Wim 80 and Gerulaitis/Connors b2b in Wim 77. Also the Connors prime part
Anyways regardless , people got the proper info about 70s/early 80s at Wim from my posts, not your utterly ignorant+biased views.
 
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Enceladus

Legend
Murray is a bad match up for Novak on grass.

Tennis is often about match ups and that’s all there is to it really.
However, their grass matches took place before Nole hired Becker. Under Becker, Nole improved his serve and net play.

Two matches is a small sample. I believe Nole would have beaten Murray in both Wimbledon 2014 and 2015. Granted, Murray could have won the hypothetical 2016 encounter if Nole had made it to the final. As for Murray, the Lendl support factor is important for him. Lendl is a very important support factor for Murray. Without Ivan the Terrible, Andy never won the GS title.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Don't forget Djokovic was already a Wimbledon champion when he played the 2013 final against Murray and had played a final at Queen's (2008). He was no slouch on grass even then.

In 2015 Federer played far better against Murray at Wimbledon (his serving was out of this world) than he did against Djokovic in the final. He wanted revenge against Murray for the 2012 Olympic final where he lost to Murray in straights and mentioned it prior to their match. I suspect Djokovic was already in his head at that point because he made some astonishingly nervous errors when playing him which he didn't against Murray.
Federer even in his final form still takes Murray out in 4 :whistle:
 

RS

Bionic Poster
However, their grass matches took place before Nole hired Becker. Under Becker, Nole improved his serve and net play.

Two matches is a small sample. I believe Nole would have beaten Murray in both Wimbledon 201
4 and 2015. Granted, Murray could have won the hypothetical 2016 encounter if Nole had made it to the final. As for Murray, the Lendl support factor is important for him. Lendl is a very important support factor for Murray. Without Ivan the Terrible, Andy never won the GS title.
If not for Murray's slump he might have won this one :whistle:
 
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