The Big 3 - who was better age for age?

[True Fanerer]

No, that's peak consistency buddy. You literally showed me stats proving my notion and there are several more

2012 Federer made 10 finals, does that make him Peak?

Djokovic was in three GS finals. Federer was in one. Have you stopped to think that Federer isn't on the same scale as Djokovic? No, there's definite set years for peak and 2012 is one of them whether you like it or not. Sorry he didn't win as much bub.

 

[BrokenGears]

Djokovic was in three GS finals. Federer was in one. Have you stopped to think that Federer isn't on the same scale of Djokovic? No, there's definite set years for peak and 2012 is one of them whether you like it or not. Sorry he didn't win as much bub.

Yes Djokovic 2012 was better than Federer 2012. Doesn't mean that Djokovic was Peak

No one in this forum except you is claiming that Djokovic was peak in 2012. 2012 isn't on a definite peak list anywhere, sorry to tell you bub

 

[True Fanerer]

Yes Djokovic 2012 was better than Federer 2012. Doesn't mean that Djokovic was Peak

No one in this forum except you is claiming that Djokovic was peak in 2012. 2012 isn't on a definite peak list anywhere, sorry to tell you bub

2011-2016 is considered his peak. Where the hell have you been? LOL

Oops Djokovic lost GS finals, not peak...

 

[BrokenGears]

2011-2016 is considered his peak. Where the hell have you been? LOL

Oops Djokovic lost GS finals, not peak...

Lmao what? Where have you been? That was part of his prime not peak lmao. Proving once again you don't know the difference between peak and prime

 

[True Fanerer]

Lmao what? Where have you been? That was his prime not peak lmao. Proving once again you don't know the difference between peak and prime

Yeah he's only peak when he wins GS finals instead of losing them LMAO.

 

[BrokenGears]

Yeah he's only peak when he wins GS finals instead of losing them LMAO.

With your criteria, 2015 Federer was peak cause he made 2 slam finals and made 11 finals total.

Well thanks for enlightening me lmao

 

[True Fanerer]

With your criteria, 2015 Federer was peak cause he made 2 slam finals and made 11 finals total.

Well thanks for enlightening me lmao

Not comparable and you know it. Mug a** field. 2012 > 2015

 

[BrokenGears]

Not comparable and you know it. Mug a** field. 2012 > 2015

You're trying to make about GS finals and crap about finals in general and now you go to the field? Lmao

I'll have to extend Federer's Peak to 2014 and 2015 then cause he made a combined 22 finals and 3 slam finals then

Plus 2012 was only better cause Djokovic and Nadal both got worse and Mury and Fed both improved

 

[True Fanerer]

You're trying to make about GS finals and crap about finals in general and now you go to the field? Lmao

I'll have to extend Federer's Peak to 2014 and 2015 then cause he made a combined 22 finals and 3 slam finals then

Plus 2012 was only better cause Djokovic and Nadal both got worse and Mury and Fed slightly improved

Wow what do ya know! A Djokovic fan claiming Federer is peak at 34 years old!!

 

[BrokenGears]

Wow what do ya know! A Djokovic fan claiming Federer is peak at 34 years old!!

Dude, according to you that's what defines peak so ye. If 2012 Djokovic was Peak, why aren't 2014 and 2015 Fed peaks than lmao

 

[KINGROGER]

Let’s be real, Djokovic’s 2011 start to season was unreal. But he was fortunate to win both W/USO. Tsonga gave him a big assist taking out Fed then Fed imploded at the open.

 

[BrokenGears]

Let’s be real, Djokovic’s 2011 start to season was unreal. But he was fortunate to win both W/USO. Tsonga gave him a big assist taking out Fed then Fed imploded at the open.

This can be said for like every slam a big 4 member lost before the semis and another big 4 member won the title lol

2017 ring any bells? 2007 Djokovic imploded as well

 

[True Fanerer]

Dude, according to you that's what defines peak so ye. If 2012 Djokovic was Peak, why aren't 2014 and 2015 Fed peaks than lmao

Field and age are the main difference. It's not complicated.

 

[BrokenGears]

Field and age are the main difference. It's not complicated.

So? 2014 and 2015 had the same or better results when comparing 2012 Fed. The field doesn't really matter when 2012 Fed played another big 4 members in finals only 5/11 times and 2015 Fed played a big 4 member 8/11 times in finals

So that's that argument gone, what's next?

 

[True Fanerer]

So? 2014 and 2015 had the same or better results when comparing 2012 Fed. The field doesn't really matter when 2012 Fed played another big 4 members in finals only 5/11 times and 2015 Fed played a big 4 member 8/11 times in finals

So that's that argument gone, what's next?

That's precisely the point. The field in 2012 was deeper and the Big 4 as a whole was better. Just manipulating like Lew does. I guess that's why you like him. In 2015 those 8/11 guys were Djokovic LOL. Go away.

 

[BrokenGears]

That's precisely the point. The field in 2012 was deeper and the Big 4 as a whole was better. Just manipulating like Lew does. I guess that's why you like him. In 2015 those 8/11 guys were Djokovic LOL. Go away.

Deeper doesn't mean better lol. With this logic, the WTA tour is amazing rn. Haas and Berdych don't qualify as deep field in finals lol

Manipulation is what everyone does. Stop pretending that Lew and Djokovic fans in general are the only people who do it.

You're doing the exact same thing

 

[True Fanerer]

Deeper doesn't mean better lol. With this logic, the WTA tour is amazing rn. Haas and Berdych don't qualify as deep field in finals lol

Manipulation is what everyone does. Stop pretending that Lew and Djokovic fans in general are the only people who do it.

You're doing the exact same thing

Fed fans do have boundaries and lines we we won't cross. Djokovic fans have no shame. Djokovic's very greatness relies on old Federer. Sad.

 

[BrokenGears]

Fed fans do have boundaries and lines we we won't cross. Djokovic fans have no shame. Djokovic's very greatness relies on old Federer. Sad.

Oh yes boundaries and standards made by Fed fans wow. Am I supposed to be impressed? The fed fanbase crosses lines everyday. Maybe the lines you've made aren't that good...

Notice how none of us are claiming Djokovic lost cause he got old while you guys still say 2011-2012 Federer lost cause he was old lmao.

Don't give me that shiz

 

[True Fanerer]

Oh yes boundaries and standards made by Fed fans wow. Am I supposed to be impressed? The fed fanbase crosses lines everyday. Maybe the lines you've made aren't that good...

Notice how none of us are claiming Djokovic lost cause he got old while you guys still say 2011-2012 Federer lost cause he was old lmao.

Don't give me that shiz

You won't see me fighting tooth and nail about 2011-12 Federer. He had his opportunities and he won some and lost some heartbreakers too. My problem is 2015 as with most of us. Making 2015 into some glorious f****** year is a joke.

 

[KINGROGER]

Oh yes boundaries and standards made by Fed fans wow. Am I supposed to be impressed? The fed fanbase crosses lines everyday. Maybe the lines you've made aren't that good...

Notice how none of us are claiming Djokovic lost cause he got old while you guys still say 2011-2012 Federer lost cause he was old lmao.

Don't give me that shiz

Djokovic had the advantage in 2011-2012 but I wouldn’t call Fed old. He should’ve been 3-2 at slams vs peak Nole but ended 2-3 which is respectable.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Federer has aged wonderfully. He leads the pack at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Sets won vs peak ATG at slams:

2004 USO Agassi - 2
2014 W Fed - 2

2005 USO Agassi - 1
2015 USO Fed - 1

Nadal in 2012 did better against Djokovic than against Rosol. That means Rosol is better than Djokovic?

Peak Fed and peak Djoko are not even the same player.

Results against the field are the only way to be objective, I don't care about biased opinion on level of play.

And between Agassi and Federer there's a huge difference in results against the field.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Djokovic had the advantage in 2011-2012 but I wouldn’t call Fed old. He should’ve been 3-2 at slams vs peak Nole but ended 2-3 which is respectable.

He won 1 slam to Djokovic's 4.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

Yes Djokovic 2012 was better than Federer 2012. Doesn't mean that Djokovic was Peak

No one in this forum except you is claiming that Djokovic was peak in 2012. 2012 isn't on a definite peak list anywhere, sorry to tell you bub

Federer in 2012, 2014 and 2015 was 31, 33 and 34, respectively. Djokovic in 2012 was 25 and came off one of the best years of tennis in history. He was peak. 2012, 2013 and 2014 could very well have been multi-slam years for Djokovic, but he did a lot of choking in slam finals. That's the only reason Djokovic's 2 best years, 2011 and 2015, are so far apart. It's not because he was peak in 2011 and then suddenly he wasn't in 2012.

 

[KINGROGER]

He won 1 slam to Djokovic's 4.

07-08 Fed won 4 slams to Djokovic’s 1.

 

[KINGROGER]

Nadal in 2012 did better against Djokovic than against Rosol. That means Rosol is better than Djokovic?

Peak Fed and peak Djoko are not even the same player.

Results against the field are the only way to be objective, I don't care about biased opinion on level of play.

And between Agassi and Federer there's a huge difference in results against the field.

One off sample size so that’s an anomaly.

I agree, Fed is better at 3/4 slams and YEC too.

I didn’t give a biased opinion, I gave actual facts. 04/06 Roddick, 04/05 Agassi on HC, 05 Hewitt were all objectively the same level opponents for peak Fed, as old Fed was for Djokovic in 2014-2016.

Yes Fed was more consistent which is why he was top 3. Peak level was the same though, as evidenced by their performances in the business end of slams.

 

[uscwang]

No update for this fine thread?

By their 33rd birthday,
Nadal 18 (latest RG won within 1 week after his birthday)
Federer 17
Djokovic 16-18 (currently 16 w/ USO 2019 and AO 2020 to play)

They are pretty much tied at this stage.

 

[xFedal]

I'd give Djokovic best under 31 and best under 32 as well