Rafa the King
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Agree with almost all but you sure Rog played his best USO in 2010?! And how about Nole USO 2007 being higher than 2011/2015
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Agree with almost all but you sure Rog played his best USO in 2010?! And how about Nole USO 2007 being higher than 2011/2015
Djokovic2011
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You're too cute!
metsman
G.O.A.T.
nadal was pretty much terrible in 13. 8 winners 30 UFE...he was like 11/16 in 2010.
Rafa the King
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Rafa himself said that he matched Nole in every department except the serve in 13.
Actually you're right think 05 alone was Fed's best. He did well to dismantle Old Agassi in the final. Just he played so fantastically in 2010 hard to forget it.
Nole's 07 run excellent and I personally think he played better tennis in 07-08 than his recent boring grindy style. 2011 didn't impress me as he was lucky vs Fed. 2015 was decent but again, Fed outplayed him but choked away the final via UFE and not converting break points. Fed lost 2015 rather than Nole winning it imo.
NatF
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Rafa the King
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You thought he was fantastic in the SF he lost to Nole?
Rafa the King
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Didn't look that to me
Could very well be though if you lose both sets by a break
Yes by far the better player in both 2010 and 2011. His name was on one of those tournaments, he would've owned Rafa in one of the finals. Probably 2011.
xFedal
Legend
Novak was just solid mentally in that much... Novak made Fed look poor.
xFedal
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There is no way Fed is defeating 2011 Rafa at USO... Nadal prime form cruising easily into the final.. Only Novak had his number that year.
No mate wrong watch it back again.
Fed utterly dominated but Nole reverted to pusher grindy mode and Fed made too many UFE.
Same as W14. Fed lost the match rather than Nole won it.
Nole most of the time lets his opponent lose, rather than win the match himself. Fed won all his grand slams without relying on UFE.
GOAT.
Rafa the King
Hall of Fame
2011? How about 2010, that Rafa was even better.
Fed utterly dominated and outplayed Nole in both years, so would likely have beaten Rafa in 2011 at least anyway. He had his number on those style courts.
xFedal
Legend
If Fed can't get past Novak in 2010 or 2011 at USO how earth is he going to defeat his worst Match up in the final? Nadal seems to cherish the moments against Fed... Again Wimbledon 2014 could have been an awesome collapse but also Novak showed great mental fortitude to recover from the choke in 4th set and win the 5th set with some great returning.
xFedal
Legend
Nah it's a lot harder for Fed to defeat Nadal in a best of 5 than Nole.... Nole and Fed have good match up.... But one with Nadal is stain on Feds great career no matter which you try to twist it.
xFedal
Legend
Rafa was better in 2010 possibly in the final... He would definitely have defeated Fed that year as well... Hard for me to see Nadal losing to Fed after 2007 in best of 5.
What you call great returning I call ball bashing / grinding / pushing. Fed lost that final, Nole didn't win it. As usual, Nole pushes the ball back and Fed makes UFE on CP.
Fed utterly dominated both 10/11 and was very unlucky and done by bad luck every time. Would've took out Nadal on that surface, as proven by WTF. He's a master at those type of hard courts.
Not very hard to see, only time Rafa beat Fed on an elite surface was W08 and that was 80% down to mono.
AO09 is plexicushion which is a boring mug pusher surface. No chance he wins on Rebound ace.
FO again boring pusher slow mug surface not suited to elite offensive all court tennis game like Fed has.
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
Federer:
AO: 2007
RG: 2006
WIM: 2004
USO: 2006
Nadal:
AO: 2009
RG: 2008
WIM: 2008
USO: 2010
Djokovic
AO: 2011
RG: 2016
WIM: 2011/2015
USO: 2011
Murray
AO: 2013/2015
RG: 2016
WIM: 2013
USO: 2012
AO: 2007
RG: 2006
WIM: 2004
USO: 2006
Nadal:
AO: 2009
RG: 2008
WIM: 2008
USO: 2010
Djokovic
AO: 2011
RG: 2016
WIM: 2011/2015
USO: 2011
Murray
AO: 2013/2015
RG: 2016
WIM: 2013
USO: 2012
xFedal
Legend
'Fed lost that Final'.... Meaning Novak won.... Fed knew he lost when he went down 5-2 mate.... lucky twice? How about being an artist in saving match points which Novak is best at... He saved some More match points against Tsonga the next year as well.
xFedal
Legend
Nadal has his number 23/11 it's painful I know...
Nadal has his number 23/11 it's painful I know...
Not painful heavily biased and skewed in Nadal's favour.
AO/RG are now mug pusher tourneys with less value than elite WIM/USO/WTF.
Djokovic was lucky in all those matches. He didn't win W14 Fed gave it to him via UFE. CP won by ball bashing pusher shots waiting for Fed to UFE... Nowhere near GOAT level.
Rafa the King
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Nadal has his number 23/11 it's painful I know...
What I find more painful is that @KINGROGER often claims that getting the ball back in play and your opponent making an UFE meant that your opponent is better. Keeping balls in play is often not easy, great defence doesn't necessarily mean pushing.
xFedal
Legend
He is trolling.... Good defense is important look at Floyd Maweather the best defensive fighter .... nobody can connect properly on him. 1 or 2 punches landed and the rest missed. Getting balls back in play again and again.... messes with the opponents head, it makes them go for more bigger shots and they commit excess errors.
Mayweather is another MUG who hugged and ran his way to world titles. Ducked offensive elite style boxers like Pacquiao until they were older. Calzaghe would've destroyed him in anything from 1st round KO to full fight relentless pummeling.
Playing pusher tennis waiting for UFE isn't elite level like Pete and Fed, who scored the most aces and winners. I rate the player with most winners and all court offensive play as the true GOAT winner of match.
Fed = GOAT
Rafa the King
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Yeah but Floyd running a lot and having a godly defense is not exactly why he's hated if you know what I'm saying
Rafa the King
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His biggest flaw
Yeah but Floyd running a lot and having a godly defense is not exactly why he's hated if you know what I'm saying
Don't forget hugging and ducking too.
I'd rank him in the same breath as Borovic and Nadul, but that would be offensive to those guys, who at least played some aggressive tennis at some point or another and I have big respect for both, great champions and competitors, even if the former won half his slams vs pigeons, MUGs and a Grampa.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I agree with you 100% except for one point. Nadal was never good enough to win the WTF on HCs, and maybe if it had been held on grass the result would be the same.Not being funny babe but it really doesn't make much sense to say things like "Rafa could have won X tournament if Y player had taken out Z player for him" because we could make the same argument for so many other ATGs over the years in tournaments they failed to win, or for instance if Federer hadn't taken out Djokovic at RG 2011, Novak would've become French Open champion five years earlier than he did and your favourite would have one less major title.
There is a disadvantage to being best on clay vs best on HCs because the HC player has two chances to snag a HC slam each year, an obvious advantage at the WTF and many more 1000s to win.
xFedal
Legend
Pete was bigger winner machine than Fed... With Better serve and Volley.
Yes mainly thanks to super fast grass, Fed would be the same in that era as his serve is GOAT tier and net play the GOAT.
Best elegance ever which is why he's the WIM GOAT.
Pete is S&V GOAT. Fed is FH and OHBH GOAT. Fed is all court/gliding/elegance GOAT.
xFedal
Legend
Federer being Wimbledon Goat is laughable both are on 7 each..... You can make case for either but too close to call.
More F, and more elegant, gliding, all court playing style tips it in favour or GOATerer.
Pete is still my rank 2, then Nadal, then Djokovic top 20 or something.
xFedal
Legend
LOL.... Finals don't means crap when 7/7 each..... Fed matches Petes Benchmark he din't surpass him.... 7/8 insane dominance from Pete mate.
Reread my post. All court gliding elegance from Fed tips him as GOAT. He did it in more style and dispatched more ATG and GOATs.
The Fedfather
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They do, especially when comparing players with the same number of titles. Ever heard of tiebreakers?
Incognito
Legend
Posting videos of Federer losing to peak Nadal on clay from 2005-2008 is not a good indication of him being better in 2011 just because he beat djokovic. His 2011 version is clearly slower, had worse fh and backhand, less agile at the net and more prone to tiredness.
90's Clay
Banned
Taking good draws and opposition into account (Not MUG Draws where its easy to look better than you are)
Fed:
AO: 2005 (2007 was a Joke of a draw)
RG: 2011 (Most of RG draws prior en route to Rafa were mug draws)
WIM: 2008 (2003-2007 was a weak time for Wimbledon. 2008 Nadal was the toughest opposition Roger had up to that point in his prime. Still lost but his level was high)
USO: 2005
Nadal:
AO: 09
RG: 2008
WIM: 2008
USO: 2010
Djokovic:
AO: 2011
RG: 2012
WIM: 2015
USO: 2011
Fed:
AO: 2005 (2007 was a Joke of a draw)
RG: 2011 (Most of RG draws prior en route to Rafa were mug draws)
WIM: 2008 (2003-2007 was a weak time for Wimbledon. 2008 Nadal was the toughest opposition Roger had up to that point in his prime. Still lost but his level was high)
USO: 2005
Nadal:
AO: 09
RG: 2008
WIM: 2008
USO: 2010
Djokovic:
AO: 2011
RG: 2012
WIM: 2015
USO: 2011
Rafa the King
Hall of Fame
Rafa wasted 2009 (one of his peak years) with bad scheduling
Btw, why not Rog 2004 at AO
90's Clay
Banned
Yea overplaying/injuries cost Rafa the Calendar slam in 2009 IMO. I think he would have won all 4 that year. That was the peak of his playing power.
I mean he won 3 in 2010. He was even better in 2008-early 2009 prior to Overplaying/Injury
2012 RG and WIM 15 not MUG draws? LOL
2007 draw was top drawer... aggressive Djokovic, Robredo, Roddick, peaking Gonzales. About 10 times harder that 15's pathetic MUG wimby draw.
03-07 Wimbledon weak? Are you insane? Nadal, Roddick, Hewitt, Henman etc many great players.
Damn Fed was superior at the 06 FO final. 3rd set 2-1 and 0-40 should have broke. Got really unlucky there with some bounces and lucky Nadal passing shots.
The heat and fatigue cost Fed that match.
90's Clay
Banned
Hewitt's grass peak was years earlier in 2002 (As was most of his peak). Roddick is overrated grass competition because his approach shots and net game is such a JOKE. Nadal wasn't as good from 06-07 as he was from 08-11 so yea....
2007 AO was crapola. Teenage Nole, Nobody Gonzales, Roddick past prime etc.
Nope wrong on all accounts try again, troll.
Hewitt's 03-07 grass level was far superior than anything Nole faced in 11,14,15 (apart from Nadal 11) same with Roddick who was a great competitor that was unlucky he came up against the GOAT. Deep difficult field.
AO 2007 was deep tough field. Aggressive top 10 Nole, peaking Gonzales who took out Nadal (who was still in 06-07 better than anything Djokovic faced in 14- present) etc. You're a delusional biased fanboy.
Crapola would be the word I'd use to describe the fields of 2014 Wimbledon, 2015 AO, 2015 Wimbledon, 2015 USO, 2016 AO, 2016 RG, 2016 Wimbledon etc. IE 6/12 of Nole's slams in this pathetic weak era then 1 for Murray.
Rafa the King
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He should have won RG that year no doubt. Skipping events such as Rotterdam and Barcelona would have enabled him that. He would have been the favorite going into Wimbledon. Anyway, 2009 should have had another 1-2 slams for Rafa.
Yeah I agree, but he doesn't win USO over Delpo or Fed that year.
W09 he has a chance, but I think Roddick or Fed take him out. He only beat Fed thanks to mono, and in 10 Fed didn't play 100% vs mug/pigeon Berdych so Rafa had an easy route to win the tournament.
xFedal
Legend
Tiebreaker taken into account.... 7/8 years wow! 4 or 5 Wimbledon's where he Pete went unbroken .....
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