The biggest asterix in tennis history

Didn’t be reach RG SF? Not his best surface but a good result. Regardless, he has 10,620 points. When did Roddick or 06-07 Nadal approach that?
QF. He lost to the first decent player he faced. The rankings didn’t work the same way back then, but I’m certain Roddick 2003/4 and Nadal 2005/6 approached that at a much younger age.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
slams won without beating one of the three highest ranked opponents:

Federer 10
Djokovic 1

Federer still the statistical objective undisputed king of all vultures.
Vultures have the toughest competition and if you don't believe me, go watch NatGeo lol
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
The biggest asterisk in tennis will always be Monica Seles being stabbed in her back and taken out of the game in her peak, removing Graf's toughest challenger which helped Graf then win 4 slams in a row and ultimately helped her get the open era record.

Nothing comes close to that.
 
The biggest asterisk in tennis will always be Monica Seles being stabbed in her back and taken out of the game in her peak, removing Graf's toughest challenger which helped Graf then win 4 slams in a row and ultimately helped her get the open era record.

Nothing comes close to that.
Yes, if you want to include bizarre incidents. Of course the Seles stabbing is something very different. If you just look at level of play etc nothing tops Djokovic’s 2021 slam titles. But Yeah, I see your point.
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
I love your post and I like Novak (no reasons needed). Thanks for reminding me about AO and his relatively poor form.
He might achieve something so extraordinary while being in not top form and with ease. Sport was never fair. I do agree with you. He didn't have amazing runs but "just" enough to win. Novak's form doesn't matter. He can win in his sleep. Clutch moments are his. I almost forgot how he recovered from 0:2 a few times. Wimbledon was so forgettable he faced no real opponent. So he was beatable but the results matter. Even Rafa choked after a great beginning and then moved terribly because of injury and frustration. I believe it was Novak's god mode moment when he saw how much he can achieve this year. Gave him fuel. Oh and NolelsBoat Tsisipas choked after winning 2 sets. There was something in the air though.. It would have been too easy.
It's very strange for me to assess properly Novak's form this year. His best year might be at his subpar form. US Open will be very interesting. Mostly it'd be team "everyone but Novak" vs Novak.
Edit: I'll also add that it "only" takes someone's great day vs Novak's bad/mediocre one to throw Djoker out of the competition. Yet no one for a year did that. It's almost unreal. Like so many times player x had a great run overall and then his opponent had one amazing day and the rest is history. In Novak's case it didn't happen. Only during the different format - Olympics. Which can show that he is beatable not once but twice. The opponents played better. It's not a slam though..
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
There's no doubt that if Federer or Nadal managed to outlast the others, and was the last one standing; fans of either would be celebrating and extolling their champion.

In '17-18, when Djokovic had the elbow injury, and Federer and Nadal were sharing all the spoils, there wasn't much lamenting about the diminishing of the field. Curious, once Djokovic had his elbow operation and came back, the spoils (except RG) to Federer and Nadal ended immediately. So maybe asterisks are really needed, for the 3 slams Federer won in that span. Federer didn't win any Slam before or after the Djokovic injury, but only during it. Curious, isn't it?
Nadal was the best player of 2019 and then corona happened in 2020 and he skipped many tournaments including US Open where he was the defending champion.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
So true. Back in Federer's strong era it wasn't guys like Djokovic who were making the final, it was contested by giants of the game like Rainer Schuttler, Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando Gonzalez. How Federer managed to even compete in such an era, never mind win some titles, we'll never know.
Federer is arguably the most skilled tennis player we have ever seen. What makes you hate him so much?
 
I love your post and I like Novak (no reasons needed). Thanks for reminding me about AO and his relatively poor form.
He might achieve something so extraordinary while being in not top form and with ease. Sport was never fair. I do agree with you. He didn't have amazing runs but "just" enough to win. Novak's form doesn't matter. He can win in his sleep. Clutch moments are his. I almost forgot how he recovered from 0:2 a few times. Wimbledon was so forgettable he faced no real opponent. So he was beatable but the results matter. Even Rafa choked after a great beginning and then moved terribly because of injury and frustration. I believe it was Novak's god mode moment when he saw how much he can achieve this year. Gave him fuel. Oh and NolelsBoat Tsisipas choked after winning 2 sets. There was something in the air though.. It would have been too easy.
It's very strange for me to assess properly Novak's form this year. His best year might be at his subpar form. US Open will be very interesting. Mostly it'd be team "everyone but Novak" vs Novak.
great post. It’s not Novak’s fault it’s the joke if his competition
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Yes, if you want to include bizarre incidents. Of course the Seles stabbing is something very different. If you just look at level of play etc nothing tops Djokovic’s 2021 slam titles. But Yeah, I see your point.
When Seles was stabbed and taken out at her peak, and remember at that point she was rapdily picking up slams and even had made her first W final the year before, there was a massive void in the competition for Graf to deal with. Sanchez Vicario didn't fully mature into a proper legitimate contender for Graf until RG 1994, the year she won two slams, and then continued to compete at the level that was needed to win more titles. Graf just swept her way to four slams in a row very easily at that point, and that is nothing like 2021 for Djokovic or anyone else, none of his opponents were stabbed and taken out. Graf wasn't the best in the game at that point, it was Seles, in 2021 Djokovic is the best in the game even if you want to question the quality of his oppostion, so even level of play wise Graf's run from the stabbing of Seles to Sanchez Vicario stepping up from one slam wonder to consistent slam contender has without a doubt the biggest asterisk I have ever seen.

Then when we look at numbers, Court has 24 slams to her name, the largest number of any player, yet 11 of them were won at AO against lets face it, very questionable competition.

So the top two women....Court for the all time, and Graf for the Open Era, before Serena came along both have asterisks that can easly weigh move heavily that the one being impied to Novak's run in 2021.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Federer is arguably the most skilled tennis player we have ever seen. What makes you hate him so much?
It's fine. We've established you think winning four slams in a row is The Grand Slam.

With absolutely no disrespect, I prefer discussing these issues with people who know the basics. I'll be happy to discuss with you in a few years when you understand why the Grand Slam is a big deal in tennis and why real fans would love to see it with their own eyes rather than just a repeat of what happened last year.

Stick with it and you'll grow to love the game, not individual players.Good luck with your journey!
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
It's fine. We've established you think winning four slams in a row is The Grand Slam.

With absolutely no disrespect, I prefer discussing these issues with people who know the basics. I'll be happy to discuss with you in a few years when you understand why the Grand Slam is a big deal in tennis and why real fans would love to see it with their own eyes rather than just a repeat of what happened last year.

Stick with it and you'll grow to love the game, not individual players.Good luck with your journey!
I hope you grow up and grow out of your Federer hatred. You will miss him when he's gone. Most tennis fans will. Maybe when you're in your 30s you'll understand better.
 
It’s time to call it for what it really is. Novak Djokovic’s 2021 season and potential CSG is by a large distant the tennis achievement with the biggest asterix attached to it.

Let’s start from the beginning of the year. At the Australian Open the Serb looked more then beatable. Let’s be honest, in any other era Djokovic would have lost before the final. Fritz should have ended him without a shadow of a doubt - I have a hard time seeing any Nole fan not agreeing here - and Zverev aka ”put myself in there maybe” had another US Open like choke. Zverev isn’t 19 or 20 anymore. He’s at an age where you’re supposed to be in your prime. Even Mr Walkman (Raonic) in his 2016 form would have put the hammer down on Djokovic.

In the final Djokovic faced Medvedev, the most in-form player on tour. The Russian turned into a little scared bunny who doesn’t know how to fight and couldn’t help but smile afterwards despite having lost in three humiliating sets with a 20+ match winning streak going into the match. Absolutely pathetic. Granted, Djokovic played a great final but Medvedev’s attitude and lack of fight is an embarrassment.

Nonetheless, Medvedev’s shameful performance shouldn’t even have mattered. Novak Djokovic in any other era wouldn’t have reached the final.

Let’s fast forward to RG. Djokovic survives Musetti after being behind 0-2. Musetti, aged 19(!!!!), retired without an injury at the end of the fifth set. I mean, come on, at this point I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The only thing to conclude is that it was a joke. No wonder Djokovic offered him a first class seat for free on his private jet to Wimbledon.

”But Djokovic’s superb and super human win against Rafa in the semis!??”, I can already hear Djokovic fans screaming in their heads. Yes, the Rafael Nadal with a severe foot injury who could barely move the last 1,5 sets. On paper a great win but looking at it with context - especially after seeing how Nadal has struggled with even training and playing matches after RG - it is not that special. Federer would have had 4 DCGS should he dealt with this Rafa in 05, 06, 07 and 11. But luck was on Djokovic’s side just like in 2015 but then Wawrinka stood in the way in the end. It’s quite telling that Fed had to face demon versions of Nadal every time whereas Djokovic could stomp on the two worst versions of Rafa at RG.

In the final Tsitsipas provided an epic choke in the last three sets. In the press conference afterwards he said he learned that he had to win 3 sets and not 2. That’s the kind of opposition Djokovic has had to face. If not an injured Nadal, it has been next gen players thinking they’re demi Gods thanks to social media.

Ok, Wimbledon... the biggest joke of a Grand Slam tournament in this millenium. Djokovic played at 1,5/5 level throughout the tournament and barely lost a set. Another next gen player in the final who couldn’t handle pressure. Wimbledon was a giant joke. Any Djokovic fan stating he is at least close to a neutral observer will have to nod his head in agreement.

Now, US Open is around the corner. Nadal is injured and out. Federer once again is out. Djokovic without having to face his two biggest rivals has the opportunity to achieve the calender Grand Slam. Wawrinka is out. Any other decent older player is not there, retired or out of form. What is left are the same players who have given Djokovic 3 Grand Slam titles on a plate this year. At this stage you’ll have to wonder if they’ll be at the podium after the final so Djokovic can Thank them in person: ”Without you guys it wouldn’t be possible!” He would say before going on to talk about his team and coaches.

I’m not even going to include a poll. It’s not a question, it’s a mere case of stating the obvious: Novak Djokovic’s achievements in 2021 and potential CSG has the biggest Asterix attached to it in tennis history, possibly even in sport’s history.
Silly, but predictable post. The younger players, especially Medvedev, Zverev, Thiem, and Tsitsipas show they belong. Also, Djokovic has already had four slams in a row, which has probably been de-emphasized since he was far behind in the Slam race at the time.

Federer had his first 10 slam wins against weaker players and couldn't do four in a row. Nadal has most of his slams and other tournaments on clay and couldn't do it. Just accept that Djokovic is likely to be the GOAT especially if he wins the USO and other slams in the next few years as we have been predicting for years. Everyone else including tennis experts will agree other than special pleading, blindly loyal Fedal fans.
 
Djokovic might surpass Federer even in amount of asterisked vultured achievements.
He will never do that. In fact your Spanish hero and Federer have vultured the most 250 and 500 events. Djokovic already leads them in the big titles (slams, masters and world tours) and he’s the youngest and has more time on his side to get more.
 
He will never do that. In fact your Spanish hero and Federer have vultured the most 250 and 500 events. Djokovic already leads them in the big titles (slams, masters and world tours) and he’s the youngest and has more time on his side to get more.
Do the smaller titles really count as being vultured? That's just going after smaller prey, like a tiger, perhaps. A vulture would always prefer to opportunistically tuck into a grand carcass.
 

Tiki-Taka

Rookie
You see everything in black and white. Anyone actually watching the matches being played could conclude the obvious: no other ATG has had such a low level of play and mentality to deal with from opponents. This is not a matter of me being a fan of another player. I actually believe Djokovic’s 2011 season is one of the highest levels ever displayed, maybe even the best, and would smoke the 2021 version with ease.
You gave us an article long post about placing an asterisk on not just anything but an actual Calendar Slam, and I am supposed to believe your annoyance that Federer is being surpassed played no part in making such a statement. We can single out a match here or there where his opponents didn't play as well as it was initially expected, Medvedev certainly comes to mind considering how hot he was prior to the Australia final. But a disappointing final is nothing we haven't seen many times before, and for a Slam sweep to happen in any manner quite a few things have to align. Bottom line, it's quite disrespectful, dismissive towards Novak's quality and aura to suggest he'd have lost early in any other era playing like he has this year, or if his rivals today were just decent enough, implying they are like some clueless amateurs. It's usually on his racket. And even when it wasn't like when he was playing Rafa at the French with a convincing, bagel included loss from last year still fresh, he battled through. And that was exceptional.
 

Yugram

Legend
Any way, it doesn’t matter because CYGS is not happening. Zverev is taking over and wins the next 2 Slams minimum.
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
Just accept that Djokovic is likely to be the GOAT especially if he wins the USO and other slams in the next few years as we have been predicting for years.
Reasonable post but I believe (I might be wrong) the OP didn't mean the GOAT debate but the fact that Novak's best year tennis wise and the one that will make history will not be his best at all. It's reasonable on his part. Don't look for hate that's my motto here.
I'll just add it's not Novak's fault that his opponents didn't step up. At all.
 
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The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
In the end, Djokovic won 3 Slams by going through the field of top players without any damning incidents like multiple walkovers or bad calls on crucial points. Not like Novak himself can do anything about how his opponents end up playing.

That being said, considering the top level Djokovic needed to bring in those Slams and his average level, is this potential CYGS the be all of greatness that couldn't be replicated by any other great of the game? I don't think it is. The first 3 wins just weren't THAT impressive or challenging (by the greatest players' standards). So, there's no asterisk, it's an amazing achievement, but it won't put Djokovic on some special pedestal,
 

dumb-person

Rookie
Suiting username
As your Display Name suggests, you are extremely dumb, so let me educate you.


2018-2020

Top 3 : Fedal


Comparing their ages this would be like Stefan Edberg (Federer) being ranked 3 in 2005 at 38-39, Andre Agassi (Nadal) aged 35 ranked 2 in 2005, Sampras (Djokovic) at 34 ranked 1 in 2005

How lame is that ??

So Federer's era was far stronger than Novak's recent vulturing
hit the table, and shears to appeal

Its liferally you spending entire days writing paragraphs just to devalue someone's victories. I dont even think any of Federer slams was weak, i was just baiting people like you. Just get your life, stop living through people you have never met and move on :)
 
So true. Back in Federer's strong era it wasn't guys like Djokovic who were making the final, it was contested by giants of the game like Rainer Schuttler, Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando Gonzalez. How Federer managed to even compete in such an era, never mind win some titles, we'll never know.
The post makes no mention of Federer. Don’t know what that has to do with this.

Of course in this era you have Anderson making 2 slam finals, Berrettini making a Wimbledon final. Slam SFs with tItans like RBA, PCB, Pouille, Isner, Hurkacz, Karatsev, Schwartzman.
 
Silly, but predictable post. The younger players, especially Medvedev, Zverev, Thiem, and Tsitsipas show they belong. Also, Djokovic has already had four slams in a row, which has probably been de-emphasized since he was far behind in the Slam race at the time.

Federer had his first 10 slam wins against weaker players and couldn't do four in a row. Nadal has most of his slams and other tournaments on clay and couldn't do it. Just accept that Djokovic is likely to be the GOAT especially if he wins the USO and other slams in the next few years as we have been predicting for years. Everyone else including tennis experts will agree other than special pleading, blindly loyal Fedal fans.
Djokovic is GOAT, but there’s no question he’s been enjoying a free ride since 2018. Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Zverev, at their physical peak, have collectively been unable to beat Djokovic who’s 9-11 years older than them even once. What about Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori and Goffin? They were supposed to challenge the big 3 and block nextgen but they’ve done nothing.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is GOAT, but there’s no question he’s been enjoying a free ride since 2018. Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Zverev, at their physical peak, have collectively been unable to beat Djokovic who’s 9-11 years older than them even once. What about Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori and Goffin? They were supposed to challenge the big 3 and block nextgen but they’ve done nothing.
How is 2018 - 2019 Wimbledon a free ride? If they’re classed as easy then Fed won like 3 strong slams between 03-10
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
It's to be expected. The closer Djoker gets to slam record....the saltier Fedfans get...and they take out their frustration on the next gens and their inability to beat da djoka.
It's not like their hero fared much better vs Djoker in slams.
That’s what happens when fanboys live vicariously through their idols, rather than being fans of tennis itself. I was happy with Djokovic reaching 15 and becoming AO GOAT with 7 there. No player is bigger than the sport.
 
How is 2018 - 2019 Wimbledon a free ride? If they’re classed as easy then Fed won like 3 strong slams between 03-10
In the strong years of 2011-2014, it was almost guaranteed that you had to beat 2 of the top 4 in a row to win a slam. In Wimbledon 2018, he had a tough match vs Nadal then had a free ride in the finals. In 2019, he sleepwalked to the title, playing well below his best. Free ride in the SF and then ancient half-dead Federer in the finals.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
In the strong years of 2011-2014, it was almost guaranteed that you had to beat 2 of the top 4 in a row to win a slam. In Wimbledon 2018, he had a tough match vs Nadal then had a free ride in the finals. In 2019, he sleepwalked to the title, playing well below his best. Free ride in the SF and then ancient half-dead Federer in the finals.
This is where you lose me (bolded).. ridiculous statement.
 

beltsman

Legend
I always go by my own eyes, an I can barely watch the garbage tennis these days. I fin myself watching old matches on YouTube instead. Just look at the matches from 03-12 and compare them to 13-21, the quality dropoff is immeasurable.

05-07 Fed or 08-10 Bull (when he wasn't injured) would barely be losing sets to ANYONE playing right now, including Djokovic.

Can you imagine Medvedev trying his dumb gangly game vs peak Fed or Nadal? 6-1 6-2 6-0.
 
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