The brothers of destruction Alcaraz and Sinner have spike piledriven Medvedev post USO 2023 into oblivion

[1H-Backhand]

Medvedev is just Roddick. He was a transitory player who had a modest amount of weeks at number 1, one slam, but plenty of finals.

Roddick nestled himself after Sampras and juuuuust before Federer where he basically achieved his career highlights.

Medvedev was the same, he nudged into the gap between prime/peak Big 3 and had his career best performances just before Sincaraz got good.

That’s not to say they are bad players. Far from it. They are very good just a bit unlucky with their timing. But one thing that was bad for both was major final strike rate. 1/5 for Roddick and 1/6 for Med. Roddick’s Wimbledon losses are akin to Med’s AO losses. Right there everytime but couldn’t go over the line.

On the contrary, because of those reasons they were actually really lucky to peak in that small window between the Big 3 and Sincaraz...(or just before Big 3 in the case of Roddick)

 

[Aabye5]

Generally agree, but Roddick had it tougher and it’s not even comparable. For one, he had a GOAT level player in his own generation born just 1 year before him, and then he had 2 other GOAT level players born just 4-5 years after him. He was sandwiched in between 3 GOAT level players within a 5 year time span and was guaranteed to run into all of them during their peak. There was no hope from the beginning.

Medvedev was born 9 years after Djokovic and 10 years after Nadal. Federer wasn’t even a factor for him. He was born 5 years before Sinner and 7 years before Alcaraz. So he was sandwiched between 2 GOAT level players in their mid 30’s and 2 ATGs within a 14-15 year time span. There was a sweet spot from 2019 to 2023 where Djokovic and Nadal were relatively old and declined while Sinner and Alcaraz were young and inexperienced. Medvedev actually came in at the perfect time, but he just wasn’t good enough to take advantage.

This is very true. Although in fairness, I think Medvedev would have had one more Slam if a player like Tsitsipas was in the other half of the draw when he made the final. So, if Rafa had had to play Tsitsipas in the semis before hand.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

This is very true. Although in fairness, I think Medvedev would have had one more Slam if a player like Tsitsipas was in the other half of the draw when he made the final. So, if Rafa had had to play Tsitsipas in the semis before hand.

Do you mean if Medvedev faced Tsitsipas in the final or if Tsitsipas softened Nadal up before the final? In the former scenario, wholeheartedly agree Medvedev would win. In the latter, Nadal wasn’t exactly breezing through the draw and almost lost his qf after struggling in the heat.

 

[Pheasant]

I can’t find the thread (maybe someone else has it?) but @dking68 predicted this for Sinner like a year and a half ago. Would be interesting to look back on some of the posts in that thread

There’s this thread. @dking68 had me eating my words here. I had picked Med in straights, due to his 6-0 record vs Sinner. Whoops!!

Jannik Sinner (6) vs Daniil Medvedev (2) - Beijing

Who takes it home? Sinner with his maximum destruction over Alcaraz or Medvedev destroying the German Lion?

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[chjtennis]

Interesting opinion coming from a guy who is known to be honest with his speeches. Jannik is clearly the best player of 2024, as stats confirm, it seems.

 

[Subway Tennis]

There’s this thread. @dking68 had me eating my words here. I had picked Med in straights, due to his 6-0 record vs Sinner. Whoops!!

Jannik Sinner (6) vs Daniil Medvedev (2) - Beijing

Who takes it home? Sinner with his maximum destruction over Alcaraz or Medvedev destroying the German Lion?

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

I’m a combined Medvedev and Sinner fan boy, so it has been a pretty confusing time for me

I also thought Med would offer more resistance than he has.

 

[Aabye5]

Do you mean if Medvedev faced Tsitsipas in the final or if Tsitsipas softened Nadal up before the final? In the former scenario, wholeheartedly agree Medvedev would win. In the latter, Nadal wasn’t exactly breezing through the draw and almost lost his qf after struggling in the heat.

If Tsitsipas softened him up.

 

[Hitman]

11 wins, 1 loss.....

Make that 12 wins and 1 loss, not counting the six king slams bagel spectacle.

 

[Tano]

They've played at two Majors since and split their matches. I agree that things aren't looking great for Daniil now, but that was a tough match for Sinner in his first Major final, and I'm sure he's glad Medvedv didn't have too much in the tank after set 2.

Sinner is five and a half years younger than Medvedev and the winner of their going forward matches has already been decided.

 

[Rovesciarete]

I’m a combined Medvedev and Sinner fan boy, so it has been a pretty confusing time for me

I also thought Med would offer more resistance than he has.

Daniil is quite literally out of his depth against those two as he needs to play differently to his usual and very successful style. Against others he is still in his depth/deep position but the quality of the youngsters forces him to play much more aggressively.

With his old serve things would no look half as grim but maybe there is also a trade-off with his racket setup between serve and groundstrokes. Just speculating there, maybe wiser heads might come in there.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Daniil is quite literally out of his depth against those two as he needs to play differently to his usual and very successful style. Against others he is still in his depth/deep position but the quality of the youngsters forces him to play much more aggressively.

With his old serve things would no look half as grim but maybe there is also a trade-off with his racket setup between serve and groundstrokes. Just speculating there, maybe wiser heads might come in there.

I think he played well. He served well vs sinner. It's not all bad. But sinner is better than him at everything.

Danil can beat Carlos on this type of court but unfortunately for him slams don't play on such courts. Closest would be AO and wimby. In wimby he offered quite the resistance this year but last year Carlos thrashed him. It's pretty hard but danil has his chances vs Carlos.

 

[clout]

They're owning Medvedev as much as Federer owned Roddick.

Prime example of peak Federer in Terminator mode dismantlling Roddick: in 3

Iga vs Gauff is the closest thing we have to Roddick vs Fed in tennis today lol

 

[clout]

Med is now 1-12 vs Sinner/Alcaraz since Beijing 2023...major yikes.

If we extend it back to Indian Wells 2023, Med is 3-15 against the young duo

 

[nolefam_2024]

Med is now 1-12 vs Sinner/Alcaraz since Beijing 2023...major yikes.

If we extend it back to Indian Wells 2023, Med is 3-15 against the young duo

Yes but that 1 was Wimbledon win vs sinner.

 

[JMR]

Sinner is five and a half years younger than Medvedev and the winner of their going forward matches has already been decided.

Yes, despite being a generation behind, Sinner already has more slam titles than Medvedev, more weeks at no. 1, and a year-end no. 1, which Med lacks. If Sinner wins the 2024 tour finals, they'll be even in that department. Med has a 6-4 edge in Masters titles, which Sinner can be expected to make up in a year or two. Med's biggest advantage is in slam finals, 6-2, which I suppose is painfully ironic for Medvedev because most of his are losses. (Remember that non-ATG Andy Murray had more slam finals than ATG Boris Becker.)