The Coolio High Performance Method

Coolio

Professional
This is my method on how to develop tennis players. My goal is to be able to produce college Division 1/2 standard players. I am a coach who believes the coaching industry is slightly corrupt. Coaches sit back and allow parents to spend crazy amounts of money on a child's developement unnecessarily. You hear horror stories of kids doing 3/4 private lessons a week with a coach and would rather travel to Portugal to play an ITF and lose first round instead of playing a local event and winning it out or losing to some ex-college player in his forties.

I started tennis at 10/11 but never played much until 15/16 and achieved a high standard and played ITF Futures qualies and won matches etc with almost no coaching. Probably less than 10 hours lifetime of private lessons, I did participate in some group squads but mostly I hit balls, practiced serves and played anyone and everyone in matches.

Right now I am tennis director in a club.
My performance kids train in groups 1.5 hours 4 mon,tue,wed,thur and 2 hours sat. Thats 8 hours tennis.
1 hour private lesson, weekly where I outline the whole programme and oversee the development plan.
Matches. Minimum 2 matches per week, can be more. (Players or parents of players must arrange this and I don't watch) They need to do it for themselves if they want to be a player.
Serve practice: Minimum 1 hour per week. It's boring but get it done. 1 hour a day is nothing, if you are serious you will serve 45mins 6 days a week. Serena and Venus drained the shopping cart every evening, even on Sundays. Lucas Pouille saw Fed hit serves after a crazy long day on the courts and he was shocked and vowed to hit 200 serves at the end of practice every day in training.
Strength and Conditioning: 3 times per week. I create a programme for my players, they do it themselves at home. If they can't do things for themselves then they don't want to be a player.
Play as many other sports as possible outside of this if they like to develop athleticism.

What do you think of my programme? I want my kids serving on their own, playing matches on their own, doing fitness on their own and yes some coaching is necessary but the balance nowadays is too much coaching to the detriment of the player.
My philosophy is built around hard work, intrinsic motivation and autonomy of the student's tennis and fostering a love of competing with anyone. You never hide, you are a humble tennis warrior and you never make excuses. You never want to leave the courts. You will practice your serves in the dark just because you want to get better. @Ash_Smith @treblings @Anycoachesoutthere?
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
sounds good overall, but they really have to spend alot of that serve timing serving nice and easy or it is too much Imo. Also since serve is the most important shot in many ways, it really needs strong quality control during development. I don't think " as many sports as possible" but cherry picking some of the best, like soccer and throwing a football to cross-train is critical.
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
@Coolio

I'm sure that will be fine as a basic set up. Ultimately, getting good at tennis (or any sport really) is about managing volume and specificity. I (like you) had very little individual input when I was a kid and basically played in a group session once per week and played a lot with friends and family outside of that - I got reasonably good, but not great, but equally if I had been having 2 or 3 individual sessions on top how much better could I have been?

Currently there are two kids local to me, playing at a regional (bordering on national level) at u10's - one has 18 hours of individual sessions per week, the other has no individual work and plays at 3 different clubs and hits with anyone, anytime. Both play at a similar level, albeit that their gamestyle are totally different!

So, there is no one size fits all approach, only balancing the required volume with the needs (desires?) of the player. The typical weekly programme for a national level player at u12 would be something like 3x 2 hour (protected) individual lessons, 2 or 3 squads/groups/sparring sessions, 2 competitions per month, plus free play and practice matches in between - but again this is more about achieving required volume and getting the right balance.

As for S&C - S&C for tennis is simply about ensuring the body is robust enough to handle the volume of training required to get good. 3 times per week may be too much, depending on the age and stage and content. If it's 3 big strength sessions per week then I would say too much, better to "grease the groove" and do something daily, but to less intensity and build up a tolerance to the stress in joints, tendons etc. Steve Maxwell has some really interesting thoughts on this, as does Firas Zahabi (sp?).

I completely agree that coaching in general (as a culture) is geared too much towards coaching and not enough towards actually playing the game (something I am working to change at my new club).

One question for you: "My philosophy is built around hard work, intrinsic motivation and autonomy of the student's tennis..." - How can this be developed in young people who are motivated extrinsically? How will you measure it? Does it actually matter where their motivation comes from?
 

Chadalina

Legend
This is my method on how to develop tennis players. My goal is to be able to produce college Division 1/2 standard players. I am a coach who believes the coaching industry is slightly corrupt. Coaches sit back and allow parents to spend crazy amounts of money on a child's developement unnecessarily. You hear horror stories of kids doing 3/4 private lessons a week with a coach and would rather travel to Portugal to play an ITF and lose first round instead of playing a local event and winning it out or losing to some ex-college player in his forties.

I started tennis at 10/11 but never played much until 15/16 and achieved a high standard and played ITF Futures qualies and won matches etc with almost no coaching. Probably less than 10 hours lifetime of private lessons, I did participate in some group squads but mostly I hit balls, practiced serves and played anyone and everyone in matches.

Right now I am tennis director in a club.
My performance kids train in groups 1.5 hours 4 mon,tue,wed,thur and 2 hours sat. Thats 8 hours tennis.
1 hour private lesson, weekly where I outline the whole programme and oversee the development plan.
Matches. Minimum 2 matches per week, can be more. (Players or parents of players must arrange this and I don't watch) They need to do it for themselves if they want to be a player.
Serve practice: Minimum 1 hour per week. It's boring but get it done. 1 hour a day is nothing, if you are serious you will serve 45mins 6 days a week. Serena and Venus drained the shopping cart every evening, even on Sundays. Lucas Pouille saw Fed hit serves after a crazy long day on the courts and he was shocked and vowed to hit 200 serves at the end of practice every day in training.
Strength and Conditioning: 3 times per week. I create a programme for my players, they do it themselves at home. If they can't do things for themselves then they don't want to be a player.
Play as many other sports as possible outside of this if they like to develop athleticism.

What do you think of my programme? I want my kids serving on their own, playing matches on their own, doing fitness on their own and yes some coaching is necessary but the balance nowadays is too much coaching to the detriment of the player.
My philosophy is built around hard work, intrinsic motivation and autonomy of the student's tennis and fostering a love of competing with anyone. You never hide, you are a humble tennis warrior and you never make excuses. You never want to leave the courts. You will practice your serves in the dark just because you want to get better. @Ash_Smith @treblings @Anycoachesoutthere?
10/10

 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I started tennis at 10/11 but never played much until 15/16 and achieved a high standard and played ITF Futures qualies and won matches etc with almost no coaching. Probably less than 10 hours lifetime of private lessons, I did participate in some group squads but mostly I hit balls, practiced serves and played anyone and everyone in matches.
You reached Futures level with hardly any coaching? Don't let it become known, as you are sabotaging your own profession.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
You reached Futures level with hardly any coaching? Don't let it become known, as you are sabotaging your own profession.
It’s quite reasonable some individuals can get pretty high relying on discipline, self-motivation and good athletic intelligence to figure out what’s correct to practice and pursue. What’s limiting with @Coolio program here is it relies strongly on students’ ... discipline, self-motivation and good athletic intelligence. That’s also the reason to ask for target age - how wide is the spectrum of kids who can follow with all that self-established practice, how many will be sorted out and not given a chance just because they are not mature yet to be willing to do all the volumes by themselves?
 

Coolio

Professional
@Coolio

Currently there are two kids local to me, playing at a regional (bordering on national level) at u10's - one has 18 hours of individual sessions per week, the other has no individual work and plays at 3 different clubs and hits with anyone, anytime. Both play at a similar level, albeit that their gamestyle are totally different!

So, there is no one size fits all approach, only balancing the required volume with the needs (desires?) of the player. The typical weekly programme for a national level player at u12 would be something like 3x 2 hour (protected) individual lessons, 2 or 3 squads/groups/sparring sessions, 2 competitions per month, plus free play and practice matches in between - but again this is more about achieving required volume and getting the right balance.

As for S&C - S&C for tennis is simply about ensuring the body is robust enough to handle the volume of training required to get good. 3 times per week may be too much, depending on the age and stage and content. If it's 3 big strength sessions per week then I would say too much, better to "grease the groove" and do something daily, but to less intensity and build up a tolerance to the stress in joints, tendons etc. Steve Maxwell has some really interesting thoughts on this, as does Firas Zahabi (sp?).

I completely agree that coaching in general (as a culture) is geared too much towards coaching and not enough towards actually playing the game (something I am working to change at my new club).

One question for you: "My philosophy is built around hard work, intrinsic motivation and autonomy of the student's tennis..." - How can this be developed in young people who are motivated extrinsically? How will you measure it? Does it actually matter where their motivation comes from?
This in bold is unbelievable if this is real? I've never heard it that bad. Wow how can the coach agree to that? If the coach doesn't heavily advise against this, then imo he is a terrible coach, only motivated by filling his pockets and he does not care about the development of his player. No way that much individual benefits a kid, I guarantee intensity is poor, kid is entitled and when he loses to kid doing 2 hours individual a week he will feel inferior and people will talk about how he lost to a kid who doesn't even get much coaching. I've seen these kids are they all fail at some stage.

S and C is simply some mobility work and general bodyweight exercises. We do grease the groove everyday with chin ups on a bar attached to the club fence. They love it.

In my method, you have to appreciate all sports and I encourage my players to enjoy improving at every skill. I believe everything counts. Can you kick a ball, I program keepy uppies in their physical training. Can you catch and throw with both hands, my kids run 5ks at the local park run (This is free so why do they need to pay me to do fitness with them).

Ash, if an individual lesson is say £40 pounds for example. 3 X 2 hours is £240 on individual alone? Surely we can do better than that. I know I can get a player very close to that level for much less.

Here is a good article that echoes some points about a more balanced development of a player: https://www.tennisconsult.com/shaky-foundation-part-2/

I try to develop the person through chatting to them and telling them stories. I have a lot of stories about how I improved and how I know others improved, in my tennis circle there is one guy who started at 14 and is winning doubles futures at the moment. His story is inspirational to those who start late and what can be achieved with hard work. If you spoonfeed the kids they never make it. I have seen all through the years, the national squad kids and top level kids I grew up with all quit at 14-18.

Tennis is very expensive, say you want a player to experience an international junior tournament, thats very expensive. Save the money for those experiences. Those that say you can't be a national player without several individual lessons per week, I am sorry but thats not good enough. That excludes the masses from tennis. Most coaches don't tell parents the truth, they want little Johnny or Billy doing 4/5 privates a week. More $$$$$$ for the coach!
 

Coolio

Professional
Hi Coolio,
Interesting, how old are the kids in your performance group?
Willy
I started from scratch in my club and have developed now a group of top 50 national standard u12 players, some top 10. Some top 50 national u14 players also. None have ever done more than 2 individuals a week with me, most do 1 hour individual per week. I also coach some lower standard players who only started tennis last year, they are very weak now but they are hungry and have bought in to the process so excited to see their progress. I love late bloomers. It's way more exciting that way, always improving and always chasing!
 

Coolio

Professional
What age this is for?
From u12 and u14 mostly. Build the hours slowly until the kid never wants to leave the tennis court. I want them to get jealous anytime they see someone hitting the ball, and ask why am I not out there?!
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
From u12 and u14 mostly. Build the hours slowly until the kid never wants to leave the tennis court. I want them to get jealous anytime they see someone hitting the ball, and ask why am I not out there?!
Those could be pretty motivated and training for future goals, apart from having fun, I guess... Are they expected to come to you with how much tennis basis?
 

Coolio

Professional
You reached Futures level with hardly any coaching? Don't let it become known, as you are sabotaging your own profession.
I coached myself a lot and I got some help in college and along the way from people but I didn't do a lot of strict individual lessons as a kid. My weakness holding me back from higher levels is probably technical ability. I was pretty naturally sporty and played a half dozen sports in my life to a pretty decent level. I could have got further with coaching and guidance if I had it. Coaching is essential in my opinion, but I think it extends way beyond just the tennis. Kids need coaching to get the correct strokes unless they are naturally talented and somehow figure some stuff out on their own but that is very rare. My expertise is on knowing all the different blocks that fit together to improve, strokes is just a tiny piece. Work ethic is number 1.
 
I'm in pretty close with my local clubs head pro and help out being a hitting partner and just help their up and coming younger generation getting match play against someone who actually thinks on court.

I think the only thing you dont mention that I would like to add is the mental aspect.
Having a plan and plays and using them in match play. Figuring out your opponent is very important.

Other than that, physically, prehab and mobility is super important. Tennis is a very push oriented sport and some time should be spent balancing the strength with some pull stuff.

Interested what your strength and conditioning plan is.
 

Coolio

Professional
Holger Rune the 16 year old French Open champ from Norway gets up at 8 or 9am and does 1.5hours fitness, then 1 hour of tennis. Then lunch then 2.5 hours tennis and maybe another 30mins-1 hour of fitness and some stretching and relaxing to finish the day. When asked about his hobbies, he says maybe watching tennis on the Ipad or movies.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Holger Rune the 16 year old French Open champ from Norway gets up at 8 or 9am and does 1.5hours fitness, then 1 hour of tennis. Then lunch then 2.5 hours tennis and maybe another 30mins-1 hour of fitness and some stretching and relaxing to finish the day. When asked about his hobbies, he says maybe watching tennis on the Ipad or movies.
What do you think, are there many with same addiction, attitude, work ethics, yet nowhere close results? What’s their way when they find themselves 21 and not promising?
 

Coolio

Professional
What do you think, are there many with same addiction, attitude, work ethics, yet nowhere close results? What’s their way when they find themselves 21 and not promising?
There are many who don't make it. That's why you should go to college in US and get a scholarship and play world class tennis, then decide whether you want to take a chance at pro after. Unless you are playing junior slams and are amongst top 50 ITF juniors then maybe going pro straight away is an option.
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
lolololololol manohman wat a joke............simply looking at the declining of recent couple of decades aus/usa atp ranking, i reckon something really bad happened to tennis in aus/usa as kids are not enjoy it anymore n periodic stimulation from slams/$$$$/fame/etcetc functioned like bait but before long both parents/kids realizing not worth of the time/effort/$$$$ put in...........grass roots disappearing faster n faster yr by yr, how many top 50 atp-ers from aus/usa in 2030:?))):eek::eek::eek::eek:............

2030.......not many golden oldie club-ers can play anymore, so many vacant courts everywhere n no one plays even for free n already happening right now. waste of land:?))) convert to 5v5 soccer pitch or watava popular:?)))8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B...................

where's the fun factor:?))) crucial to kids, right:?))):-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D............................
 

Coolio

Professional
This week, there is a local free 5k park run close to the club. I have advised my players to run it and then return to train tennis later in the day. A solid time in a 5k is a good test of basic aerobic capacity. It's a good way to spend an hour and something different. If you can't run a decent time in a 5k, you have no business as an athlete in almost any sport imo.
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
nothing wrong w/ watava km fun run as long as fun for them........a lot of idiots here goaled the kids so high like short term enhancement drugs then all the grass roots got drugged dry/dead...........lolololololol manohman.

watched china open andy murray vs norrie on ytb high lights n noticed very few audience even less audience when the last chinese girl playing matches. what a waste to spend $bil to build those world class stadiums:?))) 1/100 of the $$$ wasted if they simply provide rkts/balls to all the kids n just let them hit watava way they like as long as enjoying it, they'll stick to it, man.

remember started 60s table tennis n badminton absolutely were everywhere n 99.99% rec-ers simply enjoy it for fun n exercise for healthy life. only took ~15 yrs to dominate both in the world as the talented 1s simply pop out by themselves n cultivated by all levels of comps/tours. back then no idiots calling themselves 'coaches' n trying to coach the kids to start 'ping pong' or badminton n coaches only appear in semipro/pro circuits...............watched ytb badminton china open as well last night, seemed full audience there even btwn no frill non chinese players...........lololololol manohman.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I coached myself a lot and I got some help in college and along the way from people but I didn't do a lot of strict individual lessons as a kid. My weakness holding me back from higher levels is probably technical ability. I was pretty naturally sporty and played a half dozen sports in my life to a pretty decent level. I could have got further with coaching and guidance if I had it. Coaching is essential in my opinion, but I think it extends way beyond just the tennis. Kids need coaching to get the correct strokes unless they are naturally talented and somehow figure some stuff out on their own but that is very rare. My expertise is on knowing all the different blocks that fit together to improve, strokes is just a tiny piece. Work ethic is number 1.
Still, Futures and Challengers are a big deal.
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
Still, Futures and Challengers are a big deal.
probably only world top 1000 tennis-ers can do dat:?)))............all the rest'r just rec-ers in different levels n higher level reached less ppl up there like pyramid which'd apply to every profession. the only difference's only top 100 can earn a decent $$$ n have a break. ofc the goats'r the only a few 1s can secure the winning 'lotto ticket', all the rest can hardly break even. no need to say all the rec-ers incl. all the injury drop-offs are pure consumers..............incl. most 'coaches' who'r trying hard to recoup the $$$/time/sweat/etcetc wasted at early dream yrs, well u know the result already.............if u take 'fun' 'enjoyment' 'healthy' out of the equation n squeez every kids into the 'direction' of goats. tbh, 99.999% chance both u n they will get lost as only top 1000 out of 70 mil ppl worldwide can future/challenge bit n lucky if injury-free n stay there a bit longer hoping moving up bit:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.................................

how about 2 b 1 of top 1000 gardener or carpenter or mechanic out of 70 mil worldwide:?))).........nice isn't it:?)))
how about 2 b 1 of top 1000 soccer or basketball or rugby player:?))).........>$00k contract isn't it:?)))
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
2 common practices to promote tennis nowadays:
for kids:
goats inspiration
for adults:
pretty girls' pics
both short lifted as no desired forking result...........dressed/geared up tennisingly won't help at all as no fun + no enjoyment + no goats + no pretty girls + time/$$ wasted = no forking result........disappointed couple of times then byebye w/ 'tennis' not my thing'..........lololololol manohman:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D........................
 

Coolio

Professional
I am considering buying a wall mounted pull up bar to attach to wall in the club and purchasing trx chords to create some options for strength training. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 

giantschwinn

New User
5 days a week of tennis plus two hours of privates and all the physical training is too much if a kid wants to go to a good college. You will get the same results with 4 days a week. They need to hit the books on the other three days. The goal is not to play for any Div 1 college, it's to play for a college with good academic reputation. And save all the physical training, your goal is not to turn pro. A typical tennis match is 1.5 hours, if a kid is already playing 4 days a week, he is already fit to handle the match. Extra training is just diminished return.

The bottom line is they need to hit the books.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
probably only world top 1000 tennis-ers can do dat:?)))............all the rest'r just rec-ers in different levels n higher level reached less ppl up there like pyramid which'd apply to every profession. the only difference's only top 100 can earn a decent $$$ n have a break. ofc the goats'r the only a few 1s can secure the winning 'lotto ticket', all the rest can hardly break even. no need to say all the rec-ers incl. all the injury drop-offs are pure consumers..............incl. most 'coaches' who'r trying hard to recoup the $$$/time/sweat/etcetc wasted at early dream yrs, well u know the result already.............if u take 'fun' 'enjoyment' 'healthy' out of the equation n squeez every kids into the 'direction' of goats. tbh, 99.999% chance both u n they will get lost as only top 1000 out of 70 mil ppl worldwide can future/challenge bit n lucky if injury-free n stay there a bit longer hoping moving up bit:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.................................

how about 2 b 1 of top 1000 gardener or carpenter or mechanic out of 70 mil worldwide:?))).........nice isn't it:?)))
how about 2 b 1 of top 1000 soccer or basketball or rugby player:?))).........>$00k contract isn't it:?)))
2 common practices to promote tennis nowadays:
for kids:
goats inspiration
for adults:
pretty girls' pics
both short lifted as no desired forking result...........dressed/geared up tennisingly won't help at all as no fun + no enjoyment + no goats + no pretty girls + time/$$ wasted = no forking result........disappointed couple of times then byebye w/ 'tennis' not my thing'..........lololololol manohman:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D........................

 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
lolololololol, manohman................it'd be much cheaper deployment dat than getting a puzzy cat w/ bit tennis skills as a bait on court to fish those idoits, man. watava dog w/ a pinkish collar to indicate it's a gal..........lolololololol:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D...........

but..........those idiots'r surely capable of telling the differences btwn a dog n a puzzy cat, so won't worko_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O............

i've got to find some bait for this wknd's fishing, man:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:................
 
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