The Cult of PT57

langdon0555

Semi-Pro
Need some feedback from the US based posters...

I have a German seller selling 6 bumblebee's that has had them blacked out and matched and capped with TK238 CAP Grommets, Pro Buttcaps/Pallets and finest Head Calfskin. He said he would include 3 extra cap grommets per racquet. These are the unstrung specs...

All six have matching specs and have never been used after being blacked out and unstrung.

Pattern: 18x20
Gripsize: L3 (4 3/8)
Weight: 340 grams unstrung
Balance: 319 mm unstrung
RA: 61-63 (according to Ring n Roll)
Length: 68,5 cm standard
Grommets: Full Cap TK238

How much would you guys pay (at the most) per racquet?

I know it ultimately comes down to what I will pay...but would just like a general idea on what people would pay. I don't want to over pay on them, but don't want to low ball the guy. But given the conversion of Euros to Dollars and shipping it could get pricey. He has had them for sale since August 2017.

Also I've never actually played with one.







 

Arti

Professional
Need some feedback from the US based posters...

I have a German seller selling 6 bumblebee's that has had them blacked out and matched and capped with TK238 CAP Grommets, Pro Buttcaps/Pallets and finest Head Calfskin. He said he would include 3 extra cap grommets per racquet. These are the unstrung specs...

All six have matching specs and have never been used after being blacked out and unstrung.

Pattern: 18x20
Gripsize: L3 (4 3/8)
Weight: 340 grams unstrung
Balance: 319 mm unstrung
RA: 61-63 (according to Ring n Roll)
Length: 68,5 cm standard
Grommets: Full Cap TK238

How much would you guys pay (at the most) per racquet?

I know it ultimately comes down to what I will pay...but would just like a general idea on what people would pay. I don't want to over pay on them, but don't want to low ball the guy. But given the conversion of Euros to Dollars and shipping it could get pricey. He has had them for sale since August 2017.

Also I've never actually played with one.







They were customized by RingRoll, and are in decently good condition. I don't know if I would ever pay more than $300 for a racquet, but these are good so I would say like 200-300 dollars each racquet.
 

langdon0555

Semi-Pro
They were customized by RingRoll, and are in decently good condition. I don't know if I would ever pay more than $300 for a racquet, but these are good so I would say like 200-300 dollars each racquet.
So what would be the most you'd pay per racquet US dollars?
 

daddabompa

Hall of Fame
Need some feedback from the US based posters...

I have a German seller selling 6 bumblebee's that has had them blacked out and matched and capped with TK238 CAP Grommets, Pro Buttcaps/Pallets and finest Head Calfskin. He said he would include 3 extra cap grommets per racquet. These are the unstrung specs...

All six have matching specs and have never been used after being blacked out and unstrung.

Pattern: 18x20
Gripsize: L3 (4 3/8)
Weight: 340 grams unstrung
Balance: 319 mm unstrung
RA: 61-63 (according to Ring n Roll)
Length: 68,5 cm standard
Grommets: Full Cap TK238

How much would you guys pay (at the most) per racquet?

I know it ultimately comes down to what I will pay...but would just like a general idea on what people would pay. I don't want to over pay on them, but don't want to low ball the guy. But given the conversion of Euros to Dollars and shipping it could get pricey. He has had them for sale since August 2017.

Also I've never actually played with one.







I'm not based in US.
Anyway it depends mainly in what you are looking for.
If you really love the "blacked out" paint job and need few rackets perfectly matched, then they can worth also 300$ maybe.
Otherwise you can find them in classic "Bumblebee paint" in mint condition for 200$ or less.
 

H22 fan

Rookie
I would never pay 300$ for a 20 years old frame in used condition and repainted! Doesn’t Mater they are coustomized by RR, they are 20 years old.
You can buy a litghtly used PT57a in new pj at arround 400$ and even a better option, in my opinion, are new H22 or H19 for that money.
Just be patient and search daily on SF.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
A stiffer PT57A would no longer be a PT57A.
You can get a PT57E if you want something stiffer. If you need something more stiffer than just go with the current Graphene Prestige MP.
My PT57E has more flex than PT630. Probably the latter is S.E.2. Feels much more stable than i.Prestige.
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
What kind of person would spend like ten thousand euros on a tennis racquet. No. I know about that website but I will never buy anything from there, the person that owns that is absolutely insane charging those kind of prices for tennis racquets (also it is not an auction site, it is entirely graymarket retail)
I contacted the guy who runs that website asking if he could measure the SW or TW (or both) on Murray's frame and he refused to do so. In case the eventual buyer of this racquet is reading this, please measure these specifications, and if you don't know how, please contact me and I'll tell you (it's quite simple). These above specs of Murray's sticks have alluded us for so long, so it'd be great to finally get a measurement on that. It sucks that this guy is getting in the way of that (for now).
 

Arti

Professional
I contacted the guy who runs that website asking if he could measure the SW or TW (or both) on Murray's frame and he refused to do so. In case the eventual buyer of this racquet is reading this, please measure these specifications, and if you don't know how, please contact me and I'll tell you (it's quite simple). These above specs of Murray's sticks have alluded us for so long, so it'd be great to finally get a measurement on that. It sucks that this guy is getting in the way of that (for now).
Honestly what I think he does is just copy the specs of flex for practically every frame since every single PT57A on the site has a flex rating of 58. I refuse to believe the coincidence that every PT57A from all of the players they came customized for have the exact same flex rating. As we have seen PT57's come in all shapes and sizes with different layups and flexes, racquets are also known to change and become more flexy overtime with use and stringing.
 
I contacted the guy who runs that website asking if he could measure the SW or TW (or both) on Murray's frame and he refused to do so. In case the eventual buyer of this racquet is reading this, please measure these specifications, and if you don't know how, please contact me and I'll tell you (it's quite simple). These above specs of Murray's sticks have alluded us for so long, so it'd be great to finally get a measurement on that. It sucks that this guy is getting in the way of that (for now).
I wonder how much he’s asking for that frame, if for a retail old stock he asks €300...
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
Honestly what I think he does is just copy the specs of flex for practically every frame since every single PT57A on the site has a flex rating of 58. I refuse to believe the coincidence that every PT57A from all of the players they came customized for have the exact same flex rating. As we have seen PT57's come in all shapes and sizes with different layups and flexes, racquets are also known to change and become more flexy overtime with use and stringing.
How is that related to what I said?
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
You said he refused to measure flex and twist weight yet he still had a flex of 58 on the website which IMO is strange since literally every pt57a on the site is 58 flex.
Ummmmmmmm no I said he refused to measure SW or TW. Read again :)
 

Arti

Professional
Ummmmmmmm no I said he refused to measure SW or TW. Read again :)
Oh sorry! My bad. Still it seems strange that every racquet has the same flex. Also why would he not measure swingweight if he more than likely has access to an RdC where he measures flex.
 

SamBruin7

Rookie
My PT57E has more flex than PT630. Probably the latter is S.E.2. Feels much more stable than i.Prestige.
That's odd. My PT57E was a lot stiffer than my PT57A's. I thought it would play like a slightly stiffer PT57A but it feels like a totally different racquet. It actually felt very similar to my old racquet the Wilson 6.1. It has a stiff throat, higher launch angle, a lot more pop, but doesn't have that silky smooth flex and feel of the PT57A.
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
Oh sorry! My bad. Still it seems strange that every racquet has the same flex. Also why would he not measure swingweight if he more than likely has access to an RdC where he measures flex.
Yes that was the point of the post, he is uncompliant because of his capitalistic goals, where to get that info I'd have to buy the racquet and measure myself. HEAD didn't give him the info, and by extension didn't allow us to receive it either.
 

BDAZ

Professional
@vsbabolat I remember reading many pages back that you had initially turned your nose up at the DIA China made versions. How do you feel about them now, and compared to the MIA's? Also, there seems to be a lot of color variance, from a lighter blue to an almost purple color. Is this indicative of anything in particular? Different batches/years/MIA/DIA? The one that was stolen from me was a Made in Austria, and this, obviously, is Designed in Austria. Are all DIA's China-made, of are there any that were Made in Austria but finished in Czech Rep.? Thanks! Also, what currently available regular grommets fit? MG Radical?
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
@vsbabolat I remember reading many pages back that you had initially turned your nose up at the DIA China made versions. How do you feel about them now, and compared to the MIA's? Also, there seems to be a lot of color variance, from a lighter blue to an almost purple color. Is this indicative of anything in particular? Different batches/years/MIA/DIA? The one that was stolen from me was a Made in Austria, and this, obviously, is Designed in Austria. Are all DIA's China-made, of are there any that were Made in Austria but finished in Czech Rep.? Thanks! Also, what currently available regular grommets fit? MG Radical?
The China made PT280’s are far superior to what is being put out now. I hit with one that was a friend’s and it had the same wonderful feel to me.

Yes, there were made in Austria finished in Czech Republic DIA Pro Tour 280’s. They will have a hologram sticker butt-cap and Barcode Label Inside will be written on the side of the racquet where HEAD Designed in Austria is also written.
 

SamBruin7

Rookie
I have both MIA and DIA China versions and they are very similar. The MIA slightly has better feel and a bit lighter swingweight. But the China version still is better than any clone put out now. It's about even with the Ultra Tour and since decent condition ones go for about $120, I'd choose it over the UT.
And yes the MG Radical grommets will fit.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
My PT57 collection. Modest by comparison to others. I know many of you will scoff at the inclusion of the Ti. Classic, but it very clearly comes from the PT 57 mold. Reviled by many, but better than any Graphene version.



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Jouke

Semi-Pro
I am looking at buying my first PT57A. What are the minimum specs these rackets are playable at according to you? What should be the minimum static weight, minimum swingweight?
 
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cdik

New User
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Jouke

Semi-Pro
So if you guys were to get a new PT57A not set up by the head pro room yet, how would you guys set it up? Is this racket playable with lower swingweight and lower static weight, or does it really need those beefy specs?

My prefered spec would be around 340 grams strung with a 335 swingweight. Would that be too light in your opinion?
 

cdik

New User
My two Zebra's are 348 strung with 320 mm b/p and s/w about 325-330 without bumper (have no RDC here) and this's perfect for me. PT630 are 355 and 360 with about the same b/p and s/w. But i like Zabra's more. Three my Bumblebees are about 350 strung and 320 mm b/p but s/w is much higher and I don't like it so much.
One more consideration. My PT's are strung with VS/Hurricane (got it with big discount) and Zebra's are with Kirsch PLX 125 and s/g. But Zebras feel almost the same us PT's with gut! and it's a big surprise for me.
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
So if you guys were to get a new PT57A not set up by the head pro room yet, how would you guys set it up? Is this racket playable with lower swingweight and lower static weight, or does it really need those beefy specs?

My prefered spec would be around 340 grams strung with a 335 swingweight. Would that be too light in your opinion?
My go to SW is 350 to 360, so I'm definitely into the "beefy" spec. If I got a very brand new one I'd be too lazy to put silicone (even though I love the feel of every silicone filled racquet I've ever played) but I'll basically take it to that spec. That's probably why I wouldn't get one untouched by the pro room- probably would cost even more than those already do and if enjoy it less. I'd much prefer getting a barely used one for a much lower price with optimum playability.
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
I have to say. the pt57as in Graphene and XT Radical PJs are really growing on me. too bad they cost an arm and leg oto get ahold of since they're the most recent pjs.

Sticking w/ my pt630s/280s for now.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
My go to SW is 350 to 360, so I'm definitely into the "beefy" spec. If I got a very brand new one I'd be too lazy to put silicone (even though I love the feel of every silicone filled racquet I've ever played) but I'll basically take it to that spec. That's probably why I wouldn't get one untouched by the pro room- probably would cost even more than those already do and if enjoy it less. I'd much prefer getting a barely used one for a much lower price with optimum playability.
I think that I'd want 360 matched so that I could add swingweight later on. I'd want Silicone and lead under the bumper - the way Prestiges are supposed to be.

Very happy with my tgt293.2s though. But I would like to try a PT57A some day. I understand, though, that it's hard to only get one.
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
I think that I'd want 360 matched so that I could add swingweight later on. I'd want Silicone and lead under the bumper - the way Prestiges are supposed to be.

Very happy with my tgt293.2s though. But I would like to try a PT57A some day. I understand, though, that it's hard to only get one.
Yes it's very addictive. Common symptoms include bankruptcy and feeling the ball too well to concentrate on actually playing. It really is difficult to stop, I've got two coming my way at this moment. Maybe I'll get a 293.2 as well one day, seems like it's been really popular the last half decade.

Can't agree more on the silicone and lead under the bumper. Also probably lead at 3 and 9 for even more stability.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
So if you guys were to get a new PT57A not set up by the head pro room yet, how would you guys set it up? Is this racket playable with lower swingweight and lower static weight, or does it really need those beefy specs?

My prefered spec would be around 340 grams strung with a 335 swingweight. Would that be too light in your opinion?
My plan would be to send a message to Stein to look out for a matched set for me with about 360 swingweight in XL and then just be patient. Maybe even leave a retainer with him. I think that it's better to let them come to me than to search them out. They always seem to show up when I'm not looking.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes it's very addictive. Common symptoms include bankruptcy and feeling the ball too well to concentrate on actually playing. It really is difficult to stop, I've got two coming my way at this moment. Maybe I'll get a 293.2 as well one day, seems like it's been really popular the last half decade.

Can't agree more on the silicone and lead under the bumper. Also probably lead at 3 and 9 for even more stability.
The tgt293.2s don't need lead at 3/9 - twistweight is already decent. That's a huge difference between the YTs and the IGs. I guess I'd have to see on the PT57as though - no experience whatsoever with customizing them. But I'd guess that getting a 360 SW setup would already be fairly optimized and I could add just a little lead tape to get them comfortable for me.

I think that I spent about $3,500 on racquets one year and then stopped and asked myself what I was doing. It's nice to settle down with something for a long time. I still have the other pro stocks gathering dust. Another common thing with pro stock buyers.
 
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