The Cult of PT57

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
What do you guys think about that “prostock tennis” online store? Are their prices fair for the PT57?
Fair is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree upon.

They have the advantage of being US-based which is a bit more convenient than buying from Europe and dealing with currency issues.

If you're buying PT57s and talking price, then you might not be able to afford the lifestyle.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Fair is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree upon.

They have the advantage of being US-based which is a bit more convenient than buying from Europe and dealing with currency issues.

If you're buying PT57s and talking price, then you might not be able to afford the lifestyle.
I find your reasoning on talking price reg PT57As and ability to afford lifestyle very intriguing... I have a different perspective or way of looking at it...

The question is not can you or can't you afford it (although that obviously plays a part if you pay the prices asked)... it's should you even if you can? OR in the case of some ridiculously priced ones... Are you actually silly enough to...?

It's also a question of what one considers important... Some people like watches and buy very expensive ones... while others think that they just tell time, and therefore use their mobile (because it is connected to a satellite and therefore is incredibly accurate) which they find sufficient.

"Lifestyle" is sometimes a choice... Some people are peacocks and others are not... Warren Buffet drives an old car and lives in a fairly modest house, considering he's worth $80 Billion... He could afford any lifestyle he wants... he just doesn't choose a flashy one... He also mostly buys things when they are on "Sale"... the larger the better... Just a thought
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I find your reasoning on talking price reg PT57As and ability to afford lifestyle very intriguing... I have a different perspective or way of looking at it...

The question is not can you or can't you afford it (although that obviously plays a part if you pay the prices asked)... it's should you even if you can? OR in the case of some ridiculously priced ones... Are you actually silly enough to...?

It's also a question of what one considers important... Some people like watches and buy very expensive ones... while others think that they just tell time, and therefore use their mobile (because it is connected to a satellite and therefore is incredibly accurate) which they find sufficient.

"Lifestyle" is sometimes a choice... Some people are peacocks and others are not... Warren Buffet drives an old car and lives in a fairly modest house, considering he's worth $80 Billion... He could afford any lifestyle he wants... he just doesn't choose a flashy one... He also mostly buys things when they are on "Sale"... the larger the better... Just a thought
I dabbled with it and tennis racquets are a cheap way to dabble with some quasi-luxury goods. There are people that buy these things on the cheap and even make some money out of trading. More power to those folks as they help create a market.

I've been frugal for most of my life but a recent and current incident has told me that you don't live forever and saving up a fortune is good for your heirs but that it's okay to enjoy life a little too [I get a lot of enjoyment from work].

For me, watches provide health and fitness data which I consider important. They also provide notifications and the weather when I don't have my phone with me. United Healthcare is offering a program with up to $1,000 back to the user per year for meeting daily fitness goals and they're using Apple Watches as the tracking device. Yeah, I'd use a free AW for tracking though I'd do my running on my Garmin 630.

I'm well aware of Warren Buffet, and that he mainly lives in the home that he got from his mother when she passed away. He does own a bunch of other homes too which doesn't make the press. I'm a shareholder of Berkshire A and B shares and would like to attend the annual meeting in Nebraska one of these days. It isn't going to be this year but maybe next year. I haven't hit a tennis ball in over four months and acquiring more racquets is pretty low on my priority list but I hope to be back on the courts by July or August and then it will take some time to get my conditioning back.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I dabbled with it and tennis racquets are a cheap way to dabble with some quasi-luxury goods. There are people that buy these things on the cheap and even make some money out of trading. More power to those folks as they help create a market.

I've been frugal for most of my life but a recent and current incident has told me that you don't live forever and saving up a fortune is good for your heirs but that it's okay to enjoy life a little too [I get a lot of enjoyment from work].

For me, watches provide health and fitness data which I consider important. They also provide notifications and the weather when I don't have my phone with me. United Healthcare is offering a program with up to $1,000 back to the user per year for meeting daily fitness goals and they're using Apple Watches as the tracking device. Yeah, I'd use a free AW for tracking though I'd do my running on my Garmin 630.

I'm well aware of Warren Buffet, and that he mainly lives in the home that he got from his mother when she passed away. He does own a bunch of other homes too which doesn't make the press. I'm a shareholder of Berkshire A and B shares and would like to attend the annual meeting in Nebraska one of these days. It isn't going to be this year but maybe next year. I haven't hit a tennis ball in over four months and acquiring more racquets is pretty low on my priority list but I hope to be back on the courts by July or August and then it will take some time to get my conditioning back.
A shareholder of Berkshire A and B shares... you go @movdqa

I understand what you're saying... all I was trying to say is that assuming that because someone doesn't lead a certain lifestyle, they can't, might lead to wrong conclusions... maybe they can but choose not to...

I hope you recover soon and get back to your previous best... Health and wellbeing is the most important thing of all. I have also had times in my life where it has been demonstrated just how fragile we, and our lives, are. Last year was a throwaway for me when it comes to tennis and other areas of my life due to several incidents, as you call them. Spent the whole year trying to recover and "stay above water", so to speak. Life needs to be a balance of work and enjoyable play.

All the best, and I hope you make it to Nebraska soon... may even see you there (if I decide to buy B shares in Berkshire).
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I looked around and I guess that you were talking about those 4 XL PT57as for $600 Euros a piece. They look very nice and I really like the length and they look ready for adding lead (pretty light setup as advertised).
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Crazy prices...
Asset bubbles do that. Berkshire is sitting on $100+ billion in cash. Warren said that he doesn't want to come back to shareholders to report that he has $150 billion in cash. He's just not finding values out there. We're in the late stages of a huge bull market and most of the market is stuff that you're paying a lot for hoping someone will pay even more for.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Asset bubbles do that. Berkshire is sitting on $100+ billion in cash. Warren said that he doesn't want to come back to shareholders to report that he has $150 billion in cash. He's just not finding values out there. We're in the late stages of a huge bull market and most of the market is stuff that you're paying a lot for hoping someone will pay even more for.
I know Berkshire is so big these days that to make a significant positive impact takes massive deals... that's why they're buying giant businesses and then taking them private so that he doesn't need to contend with market sentiments and their impact on shareholder value. He/ They can formulate a long-term plan of action and execute it in their own time... the businesses don't need to worry whether the market is happy with how things are going, they just need to make sure that Warren and Co. are satisfied. It's going to get harder and harder...
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I know Berkshire is so big these days that to make a significant positive impact takes massive deals... that's why they're buying giant businesses and then taking them private so that he doesn't need to contend with market sentiments and their impact on shareholder value. He/ They can formulate a long-term plan of action and execute it in their own time... the businesses don't need to worry whether the market is happy with how things are going, they just need to make sure that Warren and Co. are satisfied. It's going to get harder and harder...
Yeah. It's a cool corporate structure. Very small and they buy businesses that spin off cash and they just rake it in. I'm in Berkshire as a safe place near a general bubble top - not looking for Alpha, more like preservation of capital.
 

El_Yotamo

Professional
The tgt293.2s don't need lead at 3/9 - twistweight is already decent. That's a huge difference between the YTs and the IGs. I guess I'd have to see on the PT57as though - no experience whatsoever with customizing them. But I'd guess that getting a 360 SW setup would already be fairly optimized and I could add just a little lead tape to get them comfortable for me.

I think that I spent about $3,500 on racquets one year and then stopped and asked myself what I was doing. It's nice to settle down with something for a long time. I still have the other pro stocks gathering dust. Another common thing with pro stock buyers.
Yeah I think that'll be me very soon. I like having a variety of different twistweights to use each one in different scenarios, hence the possible lead at 3 and 9. I think twistweight is pretty high on PT57As anyways, my Radical Tour Bumblebee measured at 15 kgcm^2 at 350 kgcm^2 swingweight.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I'd guess that you could do it with your many talents. There are lots of services out there too.

Should I bother trying these frames when I'm happy with the 293.2s?
You could buy one and see whats its all about. Have you ever hit with the Prestige Classic?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
You could buy one and see whats its all about. Have you ever hit with the Prestige Classic?
Never hit with the PC. I'd buy at least two because I'd hate to try to get another if I loved it.

There are four at 27.7 inches which I'd consider almost perfect for $599 Euros each. But I won't be able to hit tennis balls until late summer so I'd have a lot of time to prepare them. I could also look for cheaper models but they're hard to find in XL.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Never hit with the PC. I'd buy at least two because I'd hate to try to get another if I loved it.

There are four at 27.7 inches which I'd consider almost perfect for $599 Euros each. But I won't be able to hit tennis balls until late summer so I'd have a lot of time to prepare them. I could also look for cheaper models but they're hard to find in XL.
That is pricey! Why can't you play until late summer?
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
Fair is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree upon.

They have the advantage of being US-based which is a bit more convenient than buying from Europe and dealing with currency issues.

If you're buying PT57s and talking price, then you might not be able to afford the lifestyle.
I thought they were based in Europe, not the US... are we thinking of 2 different sellers?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
My mistake. I thought that there was a big US-based seller with a similar handle.

The request for payment in Euros would suggest a European seller.
 

richardc-s

Semi-Pro
So I have been looking at these sticks for a little while and I fancy finding out what the fuss is all about!

Has anyone got an 'idiots' guide for what to look out for on the big auction site? Or is it as simple as searching for Head PT57A and picking one I like the look/spec of? I appreciate they are all different specs and I should pick one that's in my ballpark, but are there any types/things to avoid? The prices seem to vary hugely, why is that?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
So I have been looking at these sticks for a little while and I fancy finding out what the fuss is all about!

Has anyone got an 'idiots' guide for what to look out for on the big auction site? Or is it as simple as searching for Head PT57A and picking one I like the look/spec of? I appreciate they are all different specs and I should pick one that's in my ballpark, but are there any types/things to avoid? The prices seem to vary hugely, why is that?
Price varies likely due to condition.
 

PT630Wannabe

Professional
Ok thanks. Will the Zebra be a good first purchase to venture into the PT57 world? Or would I be better off trying something else for my first time?
Personal taste I guess. I'm partial to the Twaron stuff ie: Bumblebee and Pro Tour 630. But the Zebra snd Candycane Radicals have their devotees and are really amazing racquets too.
 

richardc-s

Semi-Pro
Personal taste I guess. I'm partial to the Twaron stuff ie: Bumblebee and Pro Tour 630. But the Zebra snd Candycane Radicals have their devotees and are really amazing racquets too.
Fair enough, thanks for your input.

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Zebra. Cap it, leather grip and happy days :D

I'm assuming a gut/poly hybrid will work well in a stick like this? I used to use a PS85 (reissue) and found I liked that best with gut/poly.
 

richardc-s

Semi-Pro
Sounds good to me, I'll go with gut mains and poly crosses :)

I have just ordered the Zebra, should turn up early next week. I'll try it as it comes to start with, then add caps, leather and new strings to see the difference.

No pressure to the people in this thread, but the way it's been built up I am expecting the holy grail of rackets..... :p
 

cdik

New User
Sounds good to me, I'll go with gut mains and poly crosses :)

I have just ordered the Zebra, should turn up early next week. I'll try it as it comes to start with, then add caps, leather and new strings to see the difference.

No pressure to the people in this thread, but the way it's been built up I am expecting the holy grail of rackets..... :p
With CAP and leather + og it will be about 375-380 grams with huge s/w and lose a lot of maneuverability. It'll be able to kill the ball, but...It'll be very difficult to use in a long match and have moderate performance. I've tryed mine with leather and regular grommets: it's head light with high s/w and weight about 370. Then I've move bumper to lower the s/w, and Zebra become too head light. Final decision - without bumper and with syntetic grip - 348 gr and 320 mm b/p - optimal specs for me. And I can use it for 2 hours match without any issues.
 

richardc-s

Semi-Pro
With CAP and leather + og it will be about 375-380 grams with huge s/w and lose a lot of maneuverability. It'll be able to kill the ball, but...It'll be very difficult to use in a long match and have moderate performance. I've tryed mine with leather and regular grommets: it's head light with high s/w and weight about 370. Then I've move bumper to lower the s/w, and Zebra become too head light. Final decision - without bumper and with syntetic grip - 348 gr and 320 mm b/p - optimal specs for me. And I can use it for 2 hours match without any issues.
Good point, it's certainly worth considering.

I love the look of CAPS so want to use them, but maybe the leather grip can go. But then it could be too head heavy... I don't know! I'll try it out in standard spec and go from there :D
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
I put YT grommets in my Zebra since they're lighter than the original grommets, so I have room to play with lead and add accordingly.

My Zebra is XL so that played a part in decided to make the base racquet a bit lighter and customize with lead since I already have extra weight and SW from the extra length.
 
I dabbled with it and tennis racquets are a cheap way to dabble with some quasi-luxury goods. There are people that buy these things on the cheap and even make some money out of trading. More power to those folks as they help create a market.

I've been frugal for most of my life but a recent and current incident has told me that you don't live forever and saving up a fortune is good for your heirs but that it's okay to enjoy life a little too [I get a lot of enjoyment from work].

For me, watches provide health and fitness data which I consider important. They also provide notifications and the weather when I don't have my phone with me. United Healthcare is offering a program with up to $1,000 back to the user per year for meeting daily fitness goals and they're using Apple Watches as the tracking device. Yeah, I'd use a free AW for tracking though I'd do my running on my Garmin 630.

I'm well aware of Warren Buffet, and that he mainly lives in the home that he got from his mother when she passed away. He does own a bunch of other homes too which doesn't make the press. I'm a shareholder of Berkshire A and B shares and would like to attend the annual meeting in Nebraska one of these days. It isn't going to be this year but maybe next year. I haven't hit a tennis ball in over four months and acquiring more racquets is pretty low on my priority list but I hope to be back on the courts by July or August and then it will take some time to get my conditioning back.
Hope you are ok buddy.....


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Fair enough, thanks for your input.

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Zebra. Cap it, leather grip and happy days :D

I'm assuming a gut/poly hybrid will work well in a stick like this? I used to use a PS85 (reissue) and found I liked that best with gut/poly.
Cyclone 18 gauge @ 44#


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Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Good point, it's certainly worth considering.

I love the look of CAPS so want to use them, but maybe the leather grip can go. But then it could be too head heavy... I don't know! I'll try it out in standard spec and go from there :D
I too would recommend trying it in standard spec first... if anything, a leather grip may help as it will make it more HL and maybe easier to swing. I initially tried the Zebra with the CAPS and it was too heavy and too much SW... just didn't feel right... almost made me sell the racquet as I thought... What are all these people talking about... great feel and amazing racquet etc. Luckily I had two and so on the other racquet I just replaced the strings and played it as standard... For me, it was like night and day... racquet felt great, the feel was amazing... I then added a leather grip (as it was still a bit heavy on serve after several hours)... now it is one of my favorite racquets...

Be patient and experiment to find your perfect setup... it will be worth it...
 

rossignol

Rookie
With CAP and leather + og it will be about 375-380 grams with huge s/w and lose a lot of maneuverability. It'll be able to kill the ball, but...It'll be very difficult to use in a long match and have moderate performance. I've tryed mine with leather and regular grommets: it's head light with high s/w and weight about 370. Then I've move bumper to lower the s/w, and Zebra become too head light. Final decision - without bumper and with syntetic grip - 348 gr and 320 mm b/p - optimal specs for me. And I can use it for 2 hours match without any issues.
375-380 grams you have to have Schwarzenegger’s Arm to move that tank :)
 

cdik

New User
No, I didn't use it. It's estimates. Mine with leather grip and o/g with standart grommets was 372, and it was too much for me. Yes, it's HL - about 305 or 310 mm b/p but still with its stock high s/w. It's fun to have some practice session for 20-30 min, but nothing alse. And I've removed bumper and leather grip to get manageble for me weight and s/w. And Zebra become perfect - right specs and fantastic feel.
 

H22 fan

Rookie
I looked around and I guess that you were talking about those 4 XL PT57as for $600 Euros a piece. They look very nice and I really like the length and they look ready for adding lead (pretty light setup as advertised).
He bought them with less than 400€ each on SF and is trying to sell them with, at least, 50% interest. Good business... If you want to buy nice frames check first SF...
 
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