The Curse of Borg

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I think we have a curse from Bjorn Borg. It has to do with Borg's records.

I believe that Borg's records aren't meant to be broken, and can only be tied.

Roger looked to be the definite breaker of Borg's Wimby streak. Yet he fell short, just barely.

Nadal achieved 4 straight FOs this year. If he loses next year, i'm calling it the curse of Borg. Maybe no one is meant to break Borg's streaks. He is usually tied (or so it seems)
 
Eh case could be made, but then in a way Federer just upped the winning 2 slams 4 years in a row to winning 2 slams 5 years in a row, so we will say. I say if Nadal doesn't win FO though Borg is doing something shady lol.
 
Alexandros said:
Didn't Federer beat his record of consecutive weeks at number 1?
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Jimmy connors' record could've been greater than Federer's right now, but Borg took no. 1 for one week and put a halt to his streak before he got it back. Or so I've heard.
 
It'll have to take a monumental effort from another great player to take Nadal's FO title; Rafa is still a very strong favourite for RG 2009 unless something terrible happens to him.
 
Even with his current stature, I feel Borg is underrated as a player. In my opinion, he's the greatest of the Open Era and still the greatest ever at Roland Garros.
 
It had nothing to do with Borg but with the fact that no male player has won the same slam for 6 years in a row in the Open era....
 
was gonna post a thread about this..its a good thing i searched first.

bump 4 justice.
 
His dominance at the French (Nadal is chasing him) and Wimbledon as well may not be replicated for a very long time. The fact that he had both Nadal and Federer chasing his records on clay and grass courts says a whole lot about his accomplishments, especially since the grass courts at Wimbledon were lightning quick when he competed on them relative to now. Plus, the guy beat Connors twice in finals there and McEnroe in the 1980 final. Not exactly pushovers.


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Anyway, no curse, lol, I think it's great that he's back and often around at the Grand Slams and also competing on the Champions tour. He's so good for the Game, much like Laver is. Both of those guys had such a huge impact on the Game and they both were so influential as Tennis entered the Open Era and then "exploded" as an international sport during the 1970's.

I do think that talk of Nadal's "demise" may be premature though. I think he may still recover and add more French Open titles in his career, so Borg's record of 6 French Opens (lost 2 years and did not compete in the 1977 tourney due to a Tour dispute with players) is attainable for him. For Federer, adding a second French title during his career would solidify his clay court standing. We'll see how it plays out. Federer is great to watch, but I already miss a healthy Nadal competing. The Game would be well served if he was able to return to the top of the Game during the next few years of his career. I hope he's back strong for both the French Open and Wimbledon.
 
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Fan of Nadal and big respect for Federer but think that 6 RG and 5 Wimbly titles will not be match by any player.. probably ever

Rafa will do anything to catch him at French Open but not sure about so many titles in London (because of Fed,but we can say the opposite for the Swiss and French Open)
 
Nadal_Power said:
Fan of Nadal and big respect for Federer but think that 6 RG and 5 Wimbly titles will not be match by any player.. probably ever

Rafa will do anything to catch him at French Open but not sure about so many titles in London (because of Fed,but we can say the opposite for the Swiss and French Open)
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Me too. I admire both of them greatly. Federer and Nadal are two excellent players and good guys too (both future hall of famers of course). I agree completely with you.

6 FO's and 5 Wimbledons is mind boggling. The surface extremes back to back! He did that "combo" three different years, while he lost a close match in final #6 at Wimbledon, and actually skipped the French in 1977 as well, so he missed that opportunity (strike by players).

The 6 + 5 titles at those Grand Slams was by age 25 too.
 
The next Borg record coming up is his 8 consecutive years winning at least one Grand Slam (1974-81). Sampras tied it (1993-2000) and now Federer is in a tie (2003-10). Got to check back in 2011.
 
borg number one said:
Me too. I admire both of them greatly. Federer and Nadal are two excellent players and good guys too (both future hall of famers of course). I agree completely with you.

6 FO's and 5 Wimbledons is mind boggling. The surface extremes back to back! He did that "combo" three years, lost in final #6 at Wimbledon, and actually skipped the French in 1977 as well. The 6 + 5 titles at those Grand Slams was by age 25 too.
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Winning back to back RG and Wimbledon (hardest achievement in Tennis) for so many times (and against brilliant players) puts Bjorn into best 3 players of all time (I think he is greater then Sampras,just mine opinion)

But.. I will forever fill sorry because AO wasn't that important in his time and for loosing so many times in US Open finals. Shame that he and Ivan Lendl didn't won more Slams,full respect for both of them
 
Yes, Lendl was a monster too, no doubt about that. He's underrated due to no Wimbledons, though he came close. That's the influence of the Game's biggest prize.

Many folks don't realize certain things about Borg's era. No AO back then (not important), so many fewer slam opportunities. Plus 4 slam final losses at the US Open (2 to Connors, 2 to McEnroe, no "slouches").

Plus, an injury prior (bad blister, could not grip the racquet well) to the 1978 US Open Final and facing a death threat in the 1981 US Open Final which played a big role most likely in his quick "exit" on that day from the Stadium after a bizarre 4 set loss in the finals (security near the court). Instead, a misinformed few cast Borg as some sort of "wimp" relative to Federer. Ask Federer if he believes that and he would laugh at that silly assertion.

Anyone talking about the curse of Borg should read up more here:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=105610&page=14&highlight=amazing+things+borg

Also watch these clips for a "tutorial" on Borg if interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IYa7VsZYg (Borg - Federer forehand comparison)

Legends of Wimbledon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYa1bSRoOzs


Bjorn Borg-Legends of Wimbledon (Wimbledon DVD Collection)

(Part 1)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1694076/5681964

(Part 2)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1694418/5686082

(Part 3)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1694791/5681794

(Part 4)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1695359/5682850

(Part 5)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1695735/5683378

(Part 6)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1702965/5702564

(Part 7)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1695987/5684466
 
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"Many folks don't realize certain things about Borg's era. No AO back then (not important), so many fewer slam opportunities. Plus 4 slam final losses at the US Open (2 to Connors, 2 to McEnroe, no "slouches")."

The Australian Open did most certainly exist during what you call Borg's era (two AO's were even held in 1977). However, during that period most of the top players tended to give the AO a miss, for whatever reasons. But Borg could certainly have played there and probably would have if he had been able to win the first three majors of the year in the period from 1978 to 1981.

Borg's never winning the US Open is more of a black mark against him than his never winning the Australian Open because Borg had a number of chances to win at Flushing Meadows (and Forest Hills), but wasn't able to do so. Still, only a handful of players have ever won all four majors in their careers, so not doing so does not exclude from greatness players who haven't achieved this feat.
 
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newmark401 said:
"Many folks don't realize certain things about Borg's era. No AO back then (not important), so many fewer slam opportunities. Plus 4 slam final losses at the US Open (2 to Connors, 2 to McEnroe, no "slouches")."

The Australian Open did most certainly exist during what you call Borg's era (two AO's were even held in 1977). However, during that period most of the top players tended to give the AO a miss, for whatever reasons. But Borg could certainly have played there and probably would have if he had been able to win the first three majors of the year in the period from 1978 to 1981.

Borg's never winning the US Open is more of a black mark against him than his never winning the Australian Open because Borg had a number of chances to win at Flushing Meadows (and Forest Hills), but wasn't able to do so. Still, only a handful of players have ever won all four majors in their careers, so not doing so does not exclude from greatness players who haven't achieved this feat.
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There were different priorities on the tour in the 70's and 80's. The masters was much more important than the AO. The AO had second rate facilities and the prize money was weak. There was a huge emphasis in the 70's at being number 1 and playing challenge matches for handsome sums of money. The Masters was huge in the late 70's and 80's The US Open and Wimbledon have always had high prestige but the AO and French have waned on and off in terms of importance. Borg's biggest mark against him is he never won the US Open. The fact he never won the AO (and only went once) is of no importance to me and most others when evaluating his career.
 
Mansewerz said:
I think we have a curse from Bjorn Borg. It has to do with Borg's records.

I believe that Borg's records aren't meant to be broken, and can only be tied.

Roger looked to be the definite breaker of Borg's Wimby streak. Yet he fell short, just barely.

Nadal achieved 4 straight FOs this year. If he loses next year, i'm calling it the curse of Borg. Maybe no one is meant to break Borg's streaks. He is usually tied (or so it seems)
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This guy could be on to something. :p
 
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