The day Gonzalez outplayed Federer

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Some great shotmaking from Gonzo, doing what others never seemed to do: hit out wide to the Fed backhand to expose the Forehand. Couldn't get why for the love of PETE so many of Fed's peers didn't pull that more often.
 

NonP

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I've said this before but that may be the only time I've ever seen prime Fed looking helpless against the sheer firepower of his opponent.

Of course Gonzo's problem was that he reached that level maybe 1-2 times a month, if at all, but when he did the result was glorious. Credit Stefanki for that late renaissance of his.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Some great highlights. Gonzo played an amazing match - he was hitting big from both sides.
As it happened (I had to look it up), this was Gonzo's only defeat of Fed in 13 attempts.
Also, Fed didn't drop a set in his other four matches (he torched Rafa in the semis, then Ferrer in the finals) and Gonzo didn't win a set in his other two RRs. Perhaps, not a fluke, as Gonzo had talent, but it was certainly a one-off.

As far as "exposing Fed's forehand" - good luck with that. There's not much of anything to expose in either Fed's FH (there's a reason that it's way up there with the very best in the history of tennis, if not the best) or his movement. To beat Fed on a fast HC, well, just be in the zone for lonnnng stretches, as Gonzo was that day.
 
As far as "exposing Fed's forehand" - good luck with that. There's not much of anything to expose in either Fed's FH (there's a reason that it's way up there with the very best in the history of tennis, if not the best) or his movement. To beat Fed on a fast HC, well, just be in the zone for lonnnng stretches, as Gonzo was that day.
I do think Federer's FH does come up short on some occasions and has more off days than people usually paint it as.


But yes that user was wrong in his assessment. Federer is quite sound on that wing and don't think I have ever seen anyone "expose" his FH.



As for Gonzalez epic FH and epic passes.:love:
 
Some great shotmaking from Gonzo, doing what others never seemed to do: hit out wide to the Fed backhand to expose the Forehand. Couldn't get why for the love of PETE so many of Fed's peers didn't pull that more often.
Pretty sure every man and his dog tried to keep it to his BH. Fed's running FH might not be what PETE's was, but there really wasn't much to expose while his movement was still very good. If you're going to propose that tip against Fed, you might as well apply it against anyone.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I do think Federer's FH does come up short on some occasions and has more off days than people usually paint it as.


But yes that user was wrong in his assessment. Federer is quite sound on that wing and don't think I have ever seen anyone "expose" his FH.



As for Gonzalez epic FH and epic passes.:love:
Agreed. No player, or single shot, is infallible, but I was reacting to "expose". I guess that if you hit a laser to the bh, produce a relatively benign reply, you can hit a rocket wide to the FH that he can barely get a racquet on, or even a winner. Not easy to maintain, of course.
 
7:16 Federer rants over a challenge on a set point, on the ball that was well out. "I asked for challenge twice, you look at me like I'm an idiot" "...don't give me that sh*t"
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
How many has Djoker?
In 2008, he lost to Tsonga in the RR but ended up beating Davydenko in the final. In 2015, he lost to Federer in the RR but beat him in the final.

Other prominent YEC champs:

Sampras (won five times):

1991: Lost to Becker in the RR, beat Courier in the final
1993: Lost to Becker in the RR, beat Becker in the final
1996: Lost to Becker in the RR, beat Becker in the final (seeing a pattern here?)
1997: Lost to Moya in the RR, beat Kafelnikov in the final
1999: Lost to Agassi in the RR, beat Agassi in the final

Poor Becker... kept getting that false hope early in the tournament. It's also interesting that Pete never won the tournament with three RR wins, but the YEC was pretty tough back then; I can't blame him for losing to the likes of Becker.

Lendl (won five times):

1981: Won two RR matches, but his third one vs. Clerc wasn't held; was this a walkover? At any rate, he beat Gerulaitis in the final.
1982: YEC looks like it was held as a regular main-draw tournament - no RR. He beat Mac in the final
1985: Ditto. He beat Becker in the final.
1986: Won all three RR matches, beat Becker in the final.
1987: Won all three RR matches, beat Wilander in the final.

Seems like YEC was held as a regular tournament from 1982-1985. I wonder what was up with that.

Becker made so many YEC finals lol
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
I do think Federer's FH does come up short on some occasions and has more off days than people usually paint it as.


But yes that user was wrong in his assessment. Federer is quite sound on that wing and don't think I have ever seen anyone "expose" his FH.



As for Gonzalez epic FH and epic passes.:love:
Even Nadal avoided Fed's forehand at the French and went for the BH instead, back in the day, that's how dangerous that shot was.
 
As per item #2 and #3 in the Fed loss textbook, the match still went pretty much to the wire and triple BP went begging at least once. No MPs though, so marked down for non-conformance.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
I probably did watch it live but have forgetten it. Glad to re-watch the ext. highlights. Seems like a very entertaining match; plenty of net approaches, some sublime SHBHs and of course two of the greatest FHs in history (for those of you who still doubt Gonzo does not belong in that echelon and couldn't be bothered watching the whole highlights, skip to 12:34 and 12:44, and @10:20 for the FH cc ROS).

Man that rally starting @8:40!!! Don't get to see much of that these days.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Fed's net approaches in the first set. Oh. my. God.

Gonzo played loose and free beginning second set having reconciled himself to a loss like usual, but that allowed his game overall to peak (I think even to his own surprise- everything he touched going in).

You can see Rog was peeved. Great match from Gonzo.

I'm told tennis has 'improved' since then, but tell me you wouldn't pay to watch this kind of match today over the endless 2HBH rallies we see now.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
lol. Can’t believe the atp would include that in official highlights
The "don't give me that..." bit is almost certainly an oversight. I dig it so don't none of y'all dare report it to the ATP!

P.S. Pretty sure they didn't edit out Fed's earlier sh1tbomb of 2007 from this vid:


And his f-bomb from this one:

 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Gonzo laid down the hammer on Federer in that match for sure, the dude was playing at a crazy level.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
2005 French Open against Rafa in the semis.
I remember that yell quite well (if from after the fact - wasn't following tennis then). But Fed's frustration came less from Rafa overpowering him than from the fact that he'd expected to win this round vs. a one-dimensional dirtballer who he knew was his inferior at the time. Of course he wouldn't make that mistake again (FYI this clip doesn't contain the yell):


Historically young clay-courters tend to be dismissed at first. We all know about how everyone thought Borg would have no shot at Wimbledon, and Sampras himself tended to underestimate Bruguera, which you can see at the end of this match:


While the curt handshake is still somewhat respectful you can see Pete was clearly annoyed, as if he were thinking (and he was) he shouldn't be losing to this CC specialist on any surface, even though the conquistador was in the middle of a historically dominant run in RG history. And when Sergi upset him at '97 Miami Pete's pride got the better of him again and led to his boast that it was "a match I should have won 9 times out of 10" (though, to his credit, he refused to blame his wrist for the loss).

Throw in the canard about Nadal somehow becoming a journeyman on '90s grass and you have an almost entire OE's worth of history being unkind to CCers. While we no longer have CC specialists (of note) a new Nadal, Borg, Lendl or Courier will eventually rise again to break through the stereotype and prove the naysayers wrong once again. Could any of the Next Gen turn out to be that player? Apart from maybe Swiatek on the women's side I doubt it, but we'll see.

BTW I was thinking on faster courts only but since you've brought up clay:


Probably Guga's last masterclass, but what a way to go out. One of the few guys who were able to outshine prime Fed in almost every aspect, on any surface.
 
The "don't give me that..." bit is almost certainly an oversight. I dig it so don't none of y'all dare report it to the ATP!

P.S. Pretty sure they didn't edit out Fed's earlier sh1tbomb of 2007 from this vid:


And his f-bomb from this one:

God damn that 2007 one looked long... I mean, SHlT!
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
You had me until this last line....:unsure::rolleyes:
You took exception where none was intended. Obviously I was referring to that match only, not comparing their whole careers. It's hardly a secret that this was Fed's only straight-set Slam loss in his 2004-07 heyday, in fact the only time he went down in straights and before the SF at any of the majors to a non-Big 3 opponent - the Nadalovic beatdowns coming in the '08 AO and FO, '11 AO and '12 FO SFs, to refresh your memory - from his 1st Slam at '03 Wimby till the loss to Tsonga in the '13 FO SF. Not too shabby, no?

God damn that 2007 one looked long... I mean, SHlT!
You dare to contradict the infallibility of Hawk-Eye?

(BTW you should've time-stamped that, so the rest of us can double-check and/or take a trip down the Fedal memory lane.)
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
You took exception where none was intended. Obviously I was referring to that match only, not comparing their whole careers. It's hardly a secret that this was Fed's only straight-set Slam loss in his 2004-07 heyday, in fact the only time he went down in straights and before the SF at any of the majors to a non-Big 3 opponent - the Nadalovic beatdowns coming in the '08 AO and FO, '11 AO and '12 FO SFs, to refresh your memory - from his 1st Slam at '03 Wimby till the loss to Tsonga in the '13 FO SF. Not too shabby, no?



You dare to contradict the infallibility of Hawk-Eye?

(BTW you should've time-stamped that, so the rest of us can double-check and/or take a trip down the Fedal memory lane.)
No exception taken but you said ANY surface yet you say you're talking about just that match. Confused.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
No exception taken but you said ANY surface yet you say you're talking about just that match. Confused.
I meant Guga was one of the few players who could and did inflict such a beatdown on prime Fed on any of the surfaces. Obviously the surface referenced here is clay, while that "any surface" cover's Fed's whole career.

So that last line was really a tribute to your guy (and, yes, Kuerten) more than anything else, an acknowledgement that his two fellow GOATs and a CC great who turned back the clock one last time were the only ones who could take him out in straights. No need to make this more complicated than that.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Some great shotmaking from Gonzo, doing what others never seemed to do: hit out wide to the Fed backhand to expose the Forehand. Couldn't get why for the love of PETE so many of Fed's peers didn't pull that more often.
I think it's mainly because to pull anything off in a tennis match at this level, you generally have to be dictating - ahead in the point or at the very least neutral. Except against the very best players and in random matches like this, Fed, especially peak Fed, wasn't allowing that opportunity since he had people on their heels as he was the one who was dictating.

Crazy thing is Gonzalez got rolled in his other two matches versus Davydenko and Roddick. Not that I'm that surprised he lost to them, but he got crushed. On the other hand, Fed crushed them.
 
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