The Decline of Proper Cushioning

If the SFX2 is not cushioned enough for you, you probably need something like a Boost basketball shoe from Adidas. I have the Crazylight Boost 2016, and I like it a lot as a tennis shoe. In fact, if you look at the herringbone type outsole and the reinforced toe guard, this shoe even looks like a tennis shoe. The only negative for me is the durability isn't that good on hard courts, but that's something you'll have to expect from most basketball shoes. The Crazylight Boost 2018 should be even better because they addressed problems related to heel slippage that some people experienced with the 2016 model. Another shoe you can try is the Harden Vol. 2. It's a little heavier and more expensive, but it has even more cushioning than the Crazylight Boost and it has a neat customizable lacing system. I wouldn't recommend the Crazy Explosive because the outsole is so thin you won't have that many matches to play on hard courts.

Crazylight Boost 2016 are great, but watch out for heel slip. The little folded fabric in the back is kinda weird against the achilles.
 
Bumping this thread back to top for some input.

I have bad PF and shin splints. A few months ago I got some "Good Feet Store" orthotics that have helped the *heel* pain in my foot quite a bit, and I was hoping they would start to diminish my shin splints as well via changing my impact point from heel to ball of my foot. However, they haven't. I think the pain in my shins may be a combination of tight calf muscles from my PF, and also impact on hard courts a few times a week on my 41 year old bones. I had tried several different "comfort" shoes from TW and ended up getting the Babolat SFX2, but unfortunately they ended up not being as comfortable as I had hoped they would in terms of cushion/impact protection. Currently I am wearing some Skechers which are honestly more comfy than the SFX2's are. However, I am still having somewhat consistent shin pain during and after playing.

Is there any kind of consensus on the absolute *best* sports shoe on the market for cushion/impact protection? Is it something with Boost from Adidas? I don't mind if it's a basketball shoe and the sole won't last as long, I just need some relief from this shin pain.

Thoughts?

Thanks.
If you REALLY need cushioning, then try Hoke One One

Haha just kidding those things are very comfy but are like 2 inches off of the ground.

Something with full length air+react like the KD11 would be nice, but they're not supportive enough.

Honestly, the Lebron 11 midsole + Kobe 9 shell would be the best option for you, but thats a little frankensteined.

Hmmmmmmmm... Got it! Try the Harden Vol 1. Try to get one without leather on the toecap (kinda long breakin if it's leather) but the cushioning, traction, and support are A1.

I think bball shoes are the way to go for you.
 
If the SFX2 is not cushioned enough for you, you probably need something like a Boost basketball shoe from Adidas. I have the Crazylight Boost 2016, and I like it a lot as a tennis shoe. In fact, if you look at the herringbone type outsole and the reinforced toe guard, this shoe even looks like a tennis shoe. The only negative for me is the durability isn't that good on hard courts, but that's something you'll have to expect from most basketball shoes. The Crazylight Boost 2018 should be even better because they addressed problems related to heel slippage that some people experienced with the 2016 model. Another shoe you can try is the Harden Vol. 2. It's a little heavier and more expensive, but it has even more cushioning than the Crazylight Boost and it has a neat customizable lacing system. I wouldn't recommend the Crazy Explosive because the outsole is so thin you won't have that many matches to play on hard courts.
Are the Crazylight Boost 2018 models not out on the market yet?

I just looked at those Harden Vol. 2 shoes on-line, and man do they have a thick sole. Sure seem like they would be nicely cushioned. Do they have the "Boost" cushion system in them also?

While I was looking around on the web I saw the Adidas Dame 4 basketball shoe, and man does it have a thick sole. Didn't see anything about "Boost" with them. Do you have any experience with them or know anything about them?
 
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Are the Crazylight Boost 2018 models not out on the market yet?

I just looked at those Harden Vol. 2 shoes on-line, and man do they have a thick sole. Sure seem like they would be nicely cushioned. Do they have the "Boost" cushion system in them also?
Yes the Crazylight Boost 2018 is out, and the word is it's the same as the 2016 but they fixed the heel slippage. Harden Vol. 2 is another good option I think. They have a more unique look, which I think is growing on me. The reviews I've read say that the Harden Vol. 2 has more Boost than any other shoe from Adidas. It should still be quite stable. The Boost is not quite as thick as it looks because part of it is there to give you extra lateral support.
 
Got another bout of metatarsalgia and going to try tennis in my gym shoe - Adidas Ultraboost (ver 1).

Now the support won't be there, esp with the very stretchy fabric upper, and bare-minimum heel cup, however I am expecting a smooth boost ride.

Note that this specific shoe is very slim in the forefoot, "snouty", so although there is boost foam yet it is really only set-up for the heel strike...
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Got another bout of metatarsalgia and going to try tennis in my gym shoe - Adidas Ultraboost (ver 1).

Now the support won't be there, esp with the very stretchy fabric upper, and bare-minimum heel cup, however I am expecting a smooth boost ride.

Note that this specific shoe is very slim in the forefoot, "snouty", so although there is boost foam yet it is really only set-up for the heel strike...
And if you drag your toe? Open Toe Look?
 
Any thoughts on what has better cushion/impact protection, the new Zoom Air Zero, or the top Adidas Boost B-Ball shoes?
If you look at pictures of the Nike Lebron 15 and KD 10, you can clearly see the big Zoom units, and those are Nike's most cushioned basketball shoes. I'm concerned that you can't even see the Zoom on the Air Zoom Zero. Just like Gino said, you'd have to cut it open to confirm it. Too many times, when you have to cut it open you usually find out why it's hidden. It's usually because the Zoom units are too small to be of any use. I could be wrong, but that's often the case.
 

gino

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If you look at pictures of the Nike Lebron 15 and KD 10, you can clearly see the big Zoom units, and those are Nike's most cushioned basketball shoes. I'm concerned that you can't even see the Zoom on the Air Zoom Zero. Just like Gino said, you'd have to cut it open to confirm it. Too many times, when you have to cut it open you usually find out why it's hidden. It's usually because the Zoom units are too small to be of any use. I could be wrong, but that's often the case.
99% percent of the time the zoom units are smaller than advertised or simply just not placed as advertised, very frustrating
 
99% percent of the time the zoom units are smaller than advertised or simply just not placed as advertised, very frustrating
Felt plenty plush from heel to toe. Wanted to buy them but didn’t have my size. Tried on half size up and I can tell they’ll be comfy.
 
Felt plenty plush from heel to toe. Wanted to buy them but didn’t have my size. Tried on half size up and I can tell they’ll be comfy.
We didn't say they wouldn't be comfy. You don't need Zoom to be comfy. Nike Free's are super comfy, but if you strike your heel with them they'll kill your knees. I'm just thinking if the Zoom units are small that doesn't bode well if you expect the kind of impact protection that competes with Boost.
 
We didn't say they wouldn't be comfy. You don't need Zoom to be comfy. Nike Free's are super comfy, but if you strike your heel with them they'll kill your knees. I'm just thinking if the Zoom units are small that doesn't bode well if you expect the kind of impact protection that competes with Boost.[/QUOTE

Zoom in general is meant to be more responsive than boost. Think you are making an apples to oranges comparison. Why don’t you just wait, try them on and see if they work for you?
 
^ Waiting is fine. I admit it's all speculation. I just wouldn't go ahead and buy it right now expecting that it will have the cushioning of the Lebron 15 on the tennis court. I'm pretty sure it won't because that would be a first for Nike to have that kind of cushioning in a hidden Zoom unit.
 
^ Waiting is fine. I admit it's all speculation. I just wouldn't go ahead and buy it right now expecting that it will have the cushioning of the Lebron 15 on the tennis court. I'm pretty sure it won't because that would be a first for Nike to have that kind of cushioning in a hidden Zoom unit.
I can tell you I’ve tried it on and it felt very good. Your experience may differ.
 
If you look at pictures of the Nike Lebron 15 and KD 10, you can clearly see the big Zoom units, and those are Nike's most cushioned basketball shoes. I'm concerned that you can't even see the Zoom on the Air Zoom Zero. Just like Gino said, you'd have to cut it open to confirm it. Too many times, when you have to cut it open you usually find out why it's hidden. It's usually because the Zoom units are too small to be of any use. I could be wrong, but that's often the case.
While this is 100% true, when Nike says "full length zoom" it's always full length zoom no question.
 
If you look at pictures of the Nike Lebron 15 and KD 10, you can clearly see the big Zoom units, and those are Nike's most cushioned basketball shoes. I'm concerned that you can't even see the Zoom on the Air Zoom Zero. Just like Gino said, you'd have to cut it open to confirm it. Too many times, when you have to cut it open you usually find out why it's hidden. It's usually because the Zoom units are too small to be of any use. I could be wrong, but that's often the case.
I'm glad you mentioned the Lebron 15, because that is one I was reading about yesterday and saw some comments that it is pretty much the most cushioned b-ball shoe available from Nike. You ever tried those? How do they compare to Adidas' Boost tech for cushion/impact protection? I saw some comments also that the sole on the Lebron 15 wasn't really for outdoor courts and might wear excessively quickly.
 
I'm glad you mentioned the Lebron 15, because that is one I was reading about yesterday and saw some comments that it is pretty much the most cushioned b-ball shoe available from Nike. You ever tried those? How do they compare to Adidas' Boost tech for cushion/impact protection? I saw some comments also that the sole on the Lebron 15 wasn't really for outdoor courts and might wear excessively quickly.
Never tried the Lebron 15. The reviews basically said it was the most cushioned basketball shoe, but I never heard any reviewer say it was better than Boost or vice-versa. Zoom seems to be the bouncier of the two (more energy return). Impact protection is solid whether you're talking about the Lebron 15 or one of the Adidas Boost basketball shoes. One thing they did say was that the Lebron 15 sacrificed stability. Another knock is that Zoom units can pop, which of course, doesn't happen with Boost. So Boost seems to have the advantage in stability and durability.
 
Never tried the Lebron 15. The reviews basically said it was the most cushioned basketball shoe, but I never heard any reviewer say it was better than Boost or vice-versa. Zoom seems to be the bouncier of the two (more energy return). Impact protection is solid whether you're talking about the Lebron 15 or one of the Adidas Boost basketball shoes. One thing they did say was that the Lebron 15 sacrificed stability. Another knock is that Zoom units can pop, which of course, doesn't happen with Boost. So Boost seems to have the advantage in stability and durability.
Ok thanks, I will keep that in mind.
 
Glad the air zoom zero has full-length zoom, has anyone had an opportunity to try them?
Yes is this the holy grail shoe we all been waiting for? Prob not.

I mean it's just ... air!?!?!!?

I wish I knew the different compounds that may mean comfort or not.

For instance bb shoes offer more comfort but the plastic/rubber(?) they use is more er um squishy. Great for landing maybe not so great for lateral.

I guess shoes are never gonna list their compounds, like a set of ingredients on the side of the box...
 
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Yes is this the holy grail shoe we all been waiting for? Prob not.

I mean it's just ... air!?!?!!?

I wish I knew the different compounds that may mean comfort or not.

For instance bb shoes offer more comfort but the plastic/rubber(?) they use is more er um squishy. Great for landing maybe not so great for lateral.

I guess shoes are never gonna list their compounds, like a set of ingredients on the side of the box...
That's right! I look at TW's description, and all it says about the midsole is a curved full length Zoom unit. That's obviously not all that's in there! Thanks for the quick review. It seems they probably did deliver on using real full length Zoom, but maybe at the expense of lateral stability?
 

gino

Hall of Fame
Yes is this the holy grail shoe we all been waiting for? Prob not.

I mean it's just ... air!?!?!!?

I wish I knew the different compounds that may mean comfort or not.

For instance bb shoes offer more comfort but the plastic/rubber(?) they use is more er um squishy. Great for landing maybe not so great for lateral.

I guess shoes are never gonna list their compounds, like a set of ingredients on the side of the box...
Well nike uses larger air bags in other sports, they cut cost with tennis shoes because they aren't a priority, don't sell well, and want to improve their margins...........
 
Hi, I have been using the Asics Gel Court FF which has been by far my favorite shoe, and after about 4 months of use it feels like it is starting to wear. I went ahead and ordered a pair of 2018 Barricade Boost in the hopes that it will last longer while getting a similar amount of cushioning support, and I won't mind giving up the comfortable fit that the Court FF's booty construction provided.

Anyhow, I am not fully familiar with shoe terminology, so here is a picture of my insole (with engo blister patch) -



Based on this, would I benefit from an aftermarket insole to go with the 2018 Barricade Boost? Maybe something with more forefoot support? If so, what would be a good recommendation? (I have a hx of gout and experience big toe soreness at times but I’m not sure if it’s a forefoot issue or if sore toes require something else altogether)
 
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Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Hi, I have been using the Asics Gel Court FF which has been by far my favorite shoe, and after about 4 months of use it feels like it is starting to wear. I went ahead and ordered a pair of 2018 Barricade Boost in the hopes that it will last longer while getting a similar amount of cushioning support, and I won't mind giving up the comfortable fit that the Court FF's booty construction provided.

Anyhow, I am not fully familiar with shoe terminology, so here is a picture of my insole (with engo blister patch) -



Based on this, would I benefit from an aftermarket insole to go with the 2018 Barricade Boost? Maybe something with more forefoot support? If so, what would be a good recommendation? (I have a hx of gout and experience big toe soreness at times but I’m not sure if it’s a forefoot issue or if sore toes require something else altogether)
Could it be those insoles?
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
It's definitely possible - I did notice that the midsole of my FF has gone down and squashed a fair amount as well.
Have these plain jane Adidas shoes with these thick, Cloudburst insoles that are soooooooooooooo comfy. Also wear Puma NRGY shoes with their version, flexible and comfy. Has to be better insoles somewhere
 

gino

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Have these plain jane Adidas shoes with these thick, Cloudburst insoles that are soooooooooooooo comfy. Also wear Puma NRGY shoes with their version, flexible and comfy. Has to be better insoles somewhere
is the cloudbust insole a stock adidas offering?
 
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