The Decline of Proper Cushioning

Well this has certainly been an interesting journey of self discovery... before I started reading up on threads like this one I did not even know what "arch support" was, and it turns out I have a high arch based on the water test. It started to make sense to some degree. I ordered the Barricade Boost and decided to throw in a pair of Superfeet Orange since that was recommended for people with high arch,and they all arrived today.

Couple observations, and if anyone has a similar experience or can offer any insights, please let me know:

-Putting on the Barricade Boost, I definitely felt the shoe "touching" my foot arch, which is not what had with the Gel Court FF. I'm not sure if it is the case that 1) the Barricade Boost has inherently better arch support than the FF, or 2) if it is the plastic component of the shoe and I am just feeling the "hardness" of the shoe in that area and the arch support is not much different between the shoes.

-Trying the Boost with Superfeet orange, definitely felt like there was an extra layer of arch to the point where it felt uncomfortable, as if the insoles were digging into my foot. But I don't know if this has to do with 1) me not being used to wearing aftermarket insoles, 2) too much arch support because of the Barricade Boost's already existing arch support, or 3) this is normal for Superfeet Orange

And just for more comparison, I put on the Superfeet Orange on my Court FF, and the arch felt like the Barricade Boost with the factory insoles. Again, I'm not sure if this has to do with the "plastic" touch or if I am actually seeing a difference in arch support for those shoes.
 
Update: I also compared both shoes without any insoles, and both ended up feeling flat, so I am considering that the factory insoles for the BB has better arch support than the FF, or it's just that the FF insoles are just worn out and flat from use.

Also considered that I did not insert the Superfeet Orange properly so I made it a point to try and adjust the heel area to make sure it's not sticking out too much on the inner side, and the feel is noticeably different than the first time. I still do feel an extra firmness on the arch, and I'm not sure if it is a good thing or a bad thing.
 
Well this has certainly been an interesting journey of self discovery... before I started reading up on threads like this one I did not even know what "arch support" was, and it turns out I have a high arch based on the water test. It started to make sense to some degree. I ordered the Barricade Boost and decided to throw in a pair of Superfeet Orange since that was recommended for people with high arch,and they all arrived today.

Couple observations, and if anyone has a similar experience or can offer any insights, please let me know:

-Putting on the Barricade Boost, I definitely felt the shoe "touching" my foot arch, which is not what had with the Gel Court FF. I'm not sure if it is the case that 1) the Barricade Boost has inherently better arch support than the FF, or 2) if it is the plastic component of the shoe and I am just feeling the "hardness" of the shoe in that area and the arch support is not much different between the shoes.

-Trying the Boost with Superfeet orange, definitely felt like there was an extra layer of arch to the point where it felt uncomfortable, as if the insoles were digging into my foot. But I don't know if this has to do with 1) me not being used to wearing aftermarket insoles, 2) too much arch support because of the Barricade Boost's already existing arch support, or 3) this is normal for Superfeet Orange

And just for more comparison, I put on the Superfeet Orange on my Court FF, and the arch felt like the Barricade Boost with the factory insoles. Again, I'm not sure if this has to do with the "plastic" touch or if I am actually seeing a difference in arch support for those shoes.
I experienced much the same thing when putting aftermarket insoles in Barricades. Something about the design of the shoes magnifies the arch. Superfeet don't really "fit" that well in Barricades. The midfoot area is so snug that the arch area of the insole has to rest on the medial part of the uppers, and that raises the arch area. I suppose that could be a good thing if your arches are high enough. I have low arches but for some reason I can still wear Superfeet comfortably in Barricades. I think my arches are flexible enough that it's not a problem.

I've tried Superfeet Orange at the store, but I opted for the Greens because the Oranges move up and down at the heel, and that didn't really appeal to me. The Oranges and Greens feel pretty similar except for that up and down movement, which gives the Oranges more cushioning. You might want to try the Superfeet Flex series. They are cheaper, softer, and in a shoe like the Barricade the support is about the same. I said this before, but the Barricades have a very stiff midfoot torsion system, so why would you need the stability plate at the bottom of the insoles anyway? The Flex series has a slightly lower arch, but on the Barricades the arch ends up being fairly high.
 
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I experienced much the same thing when putting aftermarket insoles in Barricades. Something about the design of the shoes magnifies the arch. Superfeet don't really "fit" that well in Barricades. The midfoot area is so snug that the arch area of the insole has to rest on the medial part of the uppers, and that raises the arch area. I suppose that could be a good thing if your arches are high enough. I have low arches but for some reason I can still wear Superfeet comfortably in Barricades. I think my arches are flexible enough that it's not a problem.

I've tried Superfeet Orange at the store, but I opted for the Greens because the Oranges move up and down at the heel, and that didn't really appeal to me. The Oranges and Greens feel pretty similar except for that up and down movement, which gives the Oranges more cushioning. You might want to try the Superfeet Flex series. They are cheaper, softer, and in a shoe like the Barricade the support is about the same. I said this before, but the Barricades have a very stiff midfoot torsion system, so why would you need the stability plate at the bottom of the insoles anyway? The Flex series has a slightly lower arch, but on the Barricades the arch ends up being fairly high.
After a few tries at trimming and adjusting, it is definitely starting to feel better and the most noticeable benefit to me is less stress on my big toe when I am leaning forward or have my heels off the ground. But you may be right in that besides the added forefoot and arch support, I don't need a whole lot of the other stuff that the orange offers that are already inherent to the Barricade Boost. I also considered the kingfoam elite, but while I feel like the kingfoam and boost can complement each other, I also wonder if the tough and resilient qualities of the kingfoam will just end up overriding anything the boost has to offer.
 
After a few tries at trimming and adjusting, it is definitely starting to feel better and the most noticeable benefit to me is less stress on my big toe when I am leaning forward or have my heels off the ground. But you may be right in that besides the added forefoot and arch support, I don't need a whole lot of the other stuff that the orange offers that are already inherent to the Barricade Boost. I also considered the kingfoam elite, but while I feel like the kingfoam and boost can complement each other, I also wonder if the tough and resilient qualities of the kingfoam will just end up overriding anything the boost has to offer.
I never tried the Kingfoam Elite, but I have tried the Arti-lage insoles which have the same technology. It's ironic that they show ads of balls being dropped on their insoles and not bouncing up to show that it dissipates energy, while Yonex shows ads of balls bouncing high to show that it has energy return. Don't get the Arti-lage insoles because they are poorly designed (the contour isn't shaped like the bottom of a foot so it feels uncomfortable to just about anyone). The Kingfoam insoles are probably designed better, but I wouldn't know. However, the foam material is the same and has been discussed at length in the early parts of this thread. Some people love the Arti-lage foam, but I'm one of those who don't. It dissipates energy, so I can see why skateboarders love it. They don't want any bounce at the bottom of a landing. However, most tennis players like that bouncy feeling (energy return) they get from Zoom Air, Boost, and Powercushion. I compare running in Arti-lage to running in mud. It definitely protects, but it absorbs all the energy instead of giving it back. In my opinion the Barricade Boost doesn't need extra cushioning anyway. It doesn't exactly feel like a pillow, but it protects my knees, and that's enough for me.
 

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Well this has certainly been an interesting journey of self discovery... before I started reading up on threads like this one I did not even know what "arch support" was, and it turns out I have a high arch based on the water test. It started to make sense to some degree. I ordered the Barricade Boost and decided to throw in a pair of Superfeet Orange since that was recommended for people with high arch,and they all arrived today.

Couple observations, and if anyone has a similar experience or can offer any insights, please let me know:

-Putting on the Barricade Boost, I definitely felt the shoe "touching" my foot arch, which is not what had with the Gel Court FF. I'm not sure if it is the case that 1) the Barricade Boost has inherently better arch support than the FF, or 2) if it is the plastic component of the shoe and I am just feeling the "hardness" of the shoe in that area and the arch support is not much different between the shoes.

-Trying the Boost with Superfeet orange, definitely felt like there was an extra layer of arch to the point where it felt uncomfortable, as if the insoles were digging into my foot. But I don't know if this has to do with 1) me not being used to wearing aftermarket insoles, 2) too much arch support because of the Barricade Boost's already existing arch support, or 3) this is normal for Superfeet Orange

And just for more comparison, I put on the Superfeet Orange on my Court FF, and the arch felt like the Barricade Boost with the factory insoles. Again, I'm not sure if this has to do with the "plastic" touch or if I am actually seeing a difference in arch support for those shoes.
this post makes me quite happy, the purpose of this thread summarized in a few paragraphs :)

keep us posted on your journey - my current set up is the king foam with the air max cage of the flyknit vapor, seems to do the trick, albeit, i play a fraction of the time i used to when i started this thread.
 

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I never tried the Kingfoam Elite, but I have tried the Arti-lage insoles which have the same technology. It's ironic that they show ads of balls being dropped on their insoles and not bouncing up to show that it dissipates energy, while Yonex shows ads of balls bouncing high to show that it has energy return. Don't get the Arti-lage insoles because they are poorly designed (the contour isn't shaped like the bottom of a foot so it feels uncomfortable to just about anyone). The Kingfoam insoles are probably designed better, but I wouldn't know. However, the foam material is the same and has been discussed at length in the early parts of this thread. Some people love the Arti-lage foam, but I'm one of those who don't. It dissipates energy, so I can see why skateboarders love it. They don't want any bounce at the bottom of a landing. However, most tennis players like that bouncy feeling (energy return) they get from Zoom Air, Boost, and Powercushion. I compare running in Arti-lage to running in mud. It definitely protects, but it absorbs all the energy instead of giving it back. In my opinion the Barricade Boost doesn't need extra cushioning anyway. It doesn't exactly feel like a pillow, but it protects my knees, and that's enough for me.
both the artilage and kingfoam are poorly designed and have a very limited life if you play frequently, especially if you change them in and out of different shoes. i think maybe ten pages ago we talked about this, but I agree ramon the kingfoam/art foam is like running in mud, its very good at impact protection, but it comes as a cost of feeling sunk into the shoe
 
this post makes me quite happy, the purpose of this thread summarized in a few paragraphs :)

keep us posted on your journey - my current set up is the king foam with the air max cage of the flyknit vapor, seems to do the trick, albeit, i play a fraction of the time i used to when i started this thread.
Thanks, much appreciated for your efforts to consolidate much of the helpful information!

So a little more reading into the different kind of support led me to a couple different directions, and the discovery of another terminology, "metatarsal" pain/support, which is consistent with my history of gout and big toe pain - not that I would ever play tennis during a gout episode (omg no) but my big toes tend to be on the tender side anyway. Pretty much in line with what @Ramon mentioned, I thought the Superfeet Orange was a little overkill for the Barricade Boost so I returned them. I played with the factory insoles for a coupe hours and it felt fine overall, but I'd prefer to have as much preventative measures as I could if I could help it since I do not work out or exercise outside tennis.

But now I have a pair of Powerstep Pinnacle Plus insoles coming in tomorrow since that seems to have the most emphasis on metatarsal support outside those goofy insert pads that I'd have to put around my toes, and it doesn't seem as bulky/heavy as some of the gel-based insoles. I have a pretty good feeling about this one.
 
Yes the Crazylight Boost 2018 is out, and the word is it's the same as the 2016 but they fixed the heel slippage. Harden Vol. 2 is another good option I think. They have a more unique look, which I think is growing on me. The reviews I've read say that the Harden Vol. 2 has more Boost than any other shoe from Adidas. It should still be quite stable. The Boost is not quite as thick as it looks because part of it is there to give you extra lateral support.
How is the sizing on the Crazylight Boost? Thanks....


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How is the sizing on the Crazylight Boost? Thanks....


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It's normal Adidas sizing, which means it's true to size for most people, but some people might go a half size down. It's slightly longer than my Barricade Boost 2015. Both are 9.5. I wear a 9.0 in Asics Court FF and the length on that is the same as my Crazylight Boost 2016.
 
It's normal Adidas sizing, which means it's true to size for most people, but some people might go a half size down. It's slightly longer than my Barricade Boost 2015. Both are 9.5. I wear a 9.0 in Asics Court FF and the length on that is the same as my Crazylight Boost 2016.
Thanks. I went down a half size for the Court FFs, so I think I’ll do the same for the Crazylight Boosts. I’ve never worn any Adidas shoes before.


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So - I tried on the 2018 Crazylight Boosts today. I’ll throw this out to the CL users, but to me, my Asics Court FFs clearly feel more “cushiony” on my feet. Now - maybe during play, the boost technology, while not as soft and bouncy underfoot, works better. But - I don’t know.... not feeling the bounce.


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I'm currently playing in Court FF's with Artilage/Kingfoam flat insoles over orthotic plates. I'm plenty fast enough without the extra bounce, I need my feet/knees not to hurt from playing every day. I've been using this setup for probably 2+ years, I injected them into the discussion originally.
 
So - I tried on the 2018 Crazylight Boosts today. I’ll throw this out to the CL users, but to me, my Asics Court FFs clearly feel more “cushiony” on my feet. Now - maybe during play, the boost technology, while not as soft and bouncy underfoot, works better. But - I don’t know.... not feeling the bounce.


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I would say the Court FF's have more compression, but I feel the Crazylight Boosts have more cushioning in terms of impact protection. The Boost midsole will last longer, but unfortunately, the CLB outsole won't. I love both of these shoes for tennis, but the Court FF is definitely a better shoe for game day because it's lighter. For maximum joint protection, I would go with the CLB's, but the Court FF's so far have been more than adequate for me in that regard too. I'm a bit concerned about the FlyteFoam compressing eventually, but it hasn't yet and I'm hoping that I'll change shoes before that happens.
 
Has anyone used the Lebron 15 low to play in? @parasailing @Ronaldo @Ramon

They look like a nice option, despite my die-hard warrior fandom.

I thought about going with this due to the awesome support they have but they are now low to the ground in addition to the lack of lateral support would result in possible ankle sprains. I am currently still using the Kobe AD NXT due to the low to the ground feel and while not as cushioned as the Lebron 15, have excellent support.

Most basketball shoes are no intended for outdoor use but that is the tradeoff for having great support and cushion that no other tennis shoe can match.
 
Nike Zoom Zero - is this gonna be proper cushioning?

Been hearing good things so far... is a big airbag underfoot...

ps. Sometimes does feel like a neglected sport: tennis shoes seem primitive comparably other sports.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Nike Zoom Zero - is this gonna be proper cushioning?

Been hearing good things so far... is a big airbag underfoot...

ps. Sometimes does feel like a neglected sport: tennis shoes seem primitive comparably other sports.
Advent of low profile, lightweight, minimal cushioning shoes changed everything. No one wants to ride high. Anyone remember the Reebok Bonzer or Match Play Pump?
 

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Nike Zoom Zero - is this gonna be proper cushioning?

Been hearing good things so far... is a big airbag underfoot...

ps. Sometimes does feel like a neglected sport: tennis shoes seem primitive comparably other sports.
its everything weve been waiting for. not a fan of the upper, excited to try them
 
Advent of low profile, lightweight, minimal cushioning shoes changed everything. No one wants to ride high. Anyone remember the Reebok Bonzer or Match Play Pump?
I don't know what you think but if you see this post over here
Nike Air Zoom Zero (summer 18 release)

You can see Svitolina and i don't know if it's the smallness of her hand or what but if you see the image it looks more like these shoes have more the profile of bb shoes, and sit higher like the tennis shoes of old you mention. There is just more of a whole lotta shoe goin' on.

If we are moving back to a bulkier era, albeit made of lighter materials, then that might get back to the cushioning needed.
 

Ronaldo

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I don't know what you think but if you see this post over here
Nike Air Zoom Zero (summer 18 release)

You can see Svitolina and i don't know if it's the smallness of her hand or what but if you see the image it looks more like these shoes have more the profile of bb shoes, and sit higher like the tennis shoes of old you mention. There is just more of a whole lotta shoe goin' on.

If we are moving back to a bulkier era, albeit made of lighter materials, then that might get back to the cushioning needed.
Cannot recall the name of the shoe but Nike had a tennis shoe that had an air unit like the CB34, sickwitit BITD
 
OK tried Zoom Kobe 6 on the weekend...

(faux snake skin in the plastic pattern on top)

I guess my impression is that this bb shoe was too squishy, and too thin under the forefoot.

With only really a heel lock in the shoe, it felt secure at heel, but insecure under the forefoot.

Ah... just researched this model it had quite a small "zoom bag" under the forefoot.

Am unsure but so far not finding the right support out of bb shoes...

Am using my sports insoles placed inside bb shoes but the 2 models I've tried the heel feels fine but the forefoot seems even thinner than tennis shoes!

I guess it depends on the amount and density of the phylon...?
 

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OK tried Zoom Kobe 6 on the weekend...

(faux snake skin in the plastic pattern on top)

I guess my impression is that this bb shoe was too squishy, and too thin under the forefoot.

With only really a heel lock in the shoe, it felt secure at heel, but insecure under the forefoot.

Ah... just researched this model it had quite a small "zoom bag" under the forefoot.

Am unsure but so far not finding the right support out of bb shoes...

Am using my sports insoles placed inside bb shoes but the 2 models I've tried the heel feels fine but the forefoot seems even thinner than tennis shoes!

I guess it depends on the amount and density of the phylon...?
basketball shoes can vary wildly in their cushion tech.

for instance, the lebron series has plenty of cushion while the kyrie line usually doesn't have much beyond a single zoom unit

try the KD line for a nice combination of impact protection and court feel. the KD10 was a popular shoe for guys here
 
So for less than $120 which tennis shoe available in market today provide maximum cushion and comfort?
Gel Court FF seems to be a popular choice here for those criteria and you can probably find one in the $120 range or less. I wore my FF's for about 4~5 months without any knee issues whatsoever and they were super comfortable. Barricade Boost is also great for cushion in my experience, not as comfortable as the FF but they do get better after break in.
 
Yes. I do have a pair of Asics Gel Court FF. Very soft and good cushion. Also surprisingly stable for such a soft shoes. So I guess I am on the right track. Not a big issue, but I would have preferred a bit more width on front-foot though.

Gel Court FF seems to be a popular choice here for those criteria and you can probably find one in the $120 range or less. I wore my FF's for about 4~5 months without any knee issues whatsoever and they were super comfortable. Barricade Boost is also great for cushion in my experience, not as comfortable as the FF but they do get better after break in.
 
Yes. I do have a pair of Asics Gel Court FF. Very soft and good cushion. Also surprisingly stable for such a soft shoes. So I guess I am on the right track. Not a big issue, but I would have preferred a bit more width on front-foot though.
The Prince T22's are well cushioned also, and they are under $100. They are also wider in the forefoot.
 
I had used both T22 and T22-lite before as well. Thanks for the input. T22-lite is more comfortable than T22. But now a days, there are more cushioning from other shoes I think. But you are right they are very good value, especially since TW have them on sale a lot more frequently than other brands.

The Prince T22's are well cushioned also, and they are under $100. They are also wider in the forefoot.
 
I had used both T22 and T22-lite before as well. Thanks for the input. T22-lite is more comfortable than T22. But now a days, there are more cushioning from other shoes I think. But you are right they are very good value, especially since TW have them on sale a lot more frequently than other brands.
The only other shoes I had with more cushioning than the T22's is the Adidas Crazylight Boost 2016. It's a basketball shoe.
 
Can anyone who has the Court FF comment on the forefoot cushioning? I am struggling to find something wide enough that is also well cushioned in the forefoot. ZZ too narrow, BB no forefoot cushioning. So far the Resolutions seem like the best bet for my problematic feet.
 
Can anyone who has the Court FF comment on the forefoot cushioning? I am struggling to find something wide enough that is also well cushioned in the forefoot. ZZ too narrow, BB no forefoot cushioning. So far the Resolutions seem like the best bet for my problematic feet.
The FFs have way more cushioning throughout. No comparison, in my view. I found more room in the toe box than in my GSS2s that are 1/2 size larger. You’ll need a shoehorn to get them on if they fit correctly, but they’re roomy once you get your feet into them. The FFs are also physically longer and roomier than my Nike Vapor 9’s, which are also 1/2 size larger.


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The FFs have way more cushioning throughout. No comparison, in my view. I found more room in the toe box than in my GSS2s that are 1/2 size larger. You’ll need a shoehorn to get them on if they fit correctly, but they’re roomy once you get your feet into them. The FFs are also physically longer and roomier than my Nike Vapor 9’s, which are also 1/2 size larger.


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I agree. I'll add that the FF's have way more cushioning than the Gel Res, which gave me sore knees; no sore knees with the FF's. They are a good 1/2 size larger than my Barricade Boosts. I wear 9.5 in Barricades and 9.0 in Court FF's, and the Court FF's are just a hair longer. I have narrow feet, so I try to squeeze into the smallest size I can. Someone with bigger feet might go true to size. The cushioning is great in both the heel and forefoot. I've worn the T-22's in the past, and it would be hard for me to say which has better cushioning. For me cushioning is about knee protection, and they both protect my knees. The T-22's definitely have a lot of cushioning, but they are also heavy and feel isolated from the court, even the Lite version is a bit heavy. For me, the Court FF's are the best all around performers because they not only have enough cushioning for my sensitive knees, they are also lightweight, comfortable, stable, and they really lock your foot in. Lot of tennis shoes give me heel slippage, but the Court FF's with the booty construction are so secure I've even played with the laces untied and didn't realize it until I looked down!
 
I would say the Court FF's have more compression, but I feel the Crazylight Boosts have more cushioning in terms of impact protection. The Boost midsole will last longer, but unfortunately, the CLB outsole won't. I love both of these shoes for tennis, but the Court FF is definitely a better shoe for game day because it's lighter. For maximum joint protection, I would go with the CLB's, but the Court FF's so far have been more than adequate for me in that regard too. I'm a bit concerned about the FlyteFoam compressing eventually, but it hasn't yet and I'm hoping that I'll change shoes before that happens.
FFs gave me sore knees - so bad I required a cortisone shot to get back out on the court. I had no pain ever with my Adidas Barricade Boosts. I transitioned to the Court FFs and my knees got progressively worse. I think the issue with them is lack of medial support. It’s just a big elastic bootie.


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think the issue with them is lack of medial support. It’s just a big elastic bootie.
Omg sounds recipe for disaster / appetite for destruction.

We've been arguing for better cushioning but to that we might add, better support! Gawd knows but considering what we do is side-to-side movement I am thinking any shoe that doesn't have strapping throughout the upper, and more than heel support, and proper medial post isn't even a starter...
 
Omg sounds recipe for disaster / appetite for destruction.

We've been arguing for better cushioning but to that we might add, better support! Gawd knows but considering what we do is side-to-side movement I am thinking any shoe that doesn't have strapping throughout the upper, and more than heel support, and proper medial post isn't even a starter...
I have tried every stability shoe out there due to my extremely flat feet. The best were:

Adidas Barricade Boost
Asics Resolution
New Balance 1296
Prince T22 (wide)
Babolat Propulse Fury
Diadora Speed Blueshield 2 AG (wide)
Fila Axilus Energized

All of these shoes are good choices.

Of all the shoes with excellent motion control out there, the NIKECOURT AIR ZOOM ZERO had the best combination of sushi owning and stability.


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FFs gave me sore knees - so bad I required a cortisone shot to get back out on the court. I had no pain ever with my Adidas Barricade Boosts. I transitioned to the Court FFs and my knees got progressively worse. I think the issue with them is lack of medial support. It’s just a big elastic bootie.


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Just goes to show we are all different. I had an overall good experience with the Barricade Boost also. The Boost version never gave me knee pain, so it passed my test, but for me, the Court FF is better because it's more comfortable and secure, and I don't have those support issues that you do. If I did have support problems, I wouldn't like them either.

It's good to hear you like the Nike Zoom Zero. Personally, I've crossed Nike off my list indefinitely because of recent events. I'm throwing away anything in my closet that has the Nike Swoosh on it, and I replaced my Nike Metcons with Reebok Nanos. No loss for me. Their stuff is overpriced anyway.
 
A little bit side topic, but I do a fair amount of walking for my work due to my metro commute and my work requires a moderate amount of walking as well. Looking for the right dress shoes with good cushioning was always a big point for me because of this, and I actually have been using my powerstep insoles on my Clarks dress shoes for the past month or so, but I still hate walking around hard hallway floors and concrete with dress shoes.

However, I think I may have found the holy grail of dress shoes cushioning technology - Cole Haan Zerogrand. I got the oxford version and it's been the best dress shoes I've worn in terms of comfort and cushioning while still looking like a high quality professional dress shoe to wear with my office attire. I wish I would have discovered this sooner, but been very happy with it since I got it.
 
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Coming along to the Footprint/Kingfoam hype train - decided to get a pair of Kingfoam Elite insoles for my Barricade Boost.

I was skeptical for a number of reasons, first being that they recommend the Elite insoles for med/high arch (I have a high arch) given that it's the thinnest one at 3.5mm, and the insoles themselves do not have a pronounced arch, in contrast to something like powerstep insoles. When I received it, I was very surprised at how soft and flexible it felt, and this was a relief since some have complained that Kingfoam felt boardy to them. This was not the case for me. It feels like a strange mixture of foamy and solid feeling, like a slightly harder version of a tempurpedic matress. Arch support felt like it was there, but I can't really explain how it worked.

Also glad that the Elite insoles were thin because my experience with Superfeet Orange on the Barricade Boost wasn't that great because it took up a lot of space in the shoe. Somehow it just meshed really well with the Barricade Boost and it felt very, very comfortable - not boardy at all. I would even go as far as to say for me, the combination of Boost + Kingfoam technologies is almost comparable to the comfort level I got from Gel Court FF and I'll gladly trade off a bit of weight for the extra durability. And using a runner's loop, in my opinion, compensates well enough to provide the booty construction type of security and feel.

Very happy I gave this a shot and much like anything discussed on talk tennis forum, I would have never known until I tried.

It also seems like people have trouble finding places to buy kingfoam insoles, but if you do a search for "tactics footprint insoles" it will take you to a shop that has a good supply of them. Based in the US, though.
 
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