The Decline of Proper Cushioning

tonylg

Hall of Fame
SCB with aftermarket inner soles is ok on hardcourt BUT they should be called Sweat Court Bounce. Totally non breathable. I guess an aspect of the decline of shoes is some other factors like this. What they think we play in aircon? Not in Australia. Not usually. (Not ever!)

SCB for cushion sake is quite good but so rubbery that the upper has to be pretty sturdy itself. Each shoes is also almost 500grams. So a total of one kilo of rubber gets v hot in baking sun and UV. Even then the upper doesn't seem to control the sole. As heavy as it is. Don't think they cld introduce holes or airways without compromise the unit.
Yes, I've found the same. The weight I can deal with, but mine get so drenched with sweat that I can squeeze it from the tips of the laces. I generally have two pairs in rotation, but with the SCB two pairs is what I need each time I play.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Yes, I've found the same. The weight I can deal with, but mine get so drenched with sweat that I can squeeze it from the tips of the laces. I generally have two pairs in rotation, but with the SCB two pairs is what I need each time I play.
Would modifying your shoe aid in ventilation? Are you a toe-dragger?
 

ewiewp

Professional
Good thread this one, keep it up!

I have tried both adidas crazylight boost, and adidas harden. They are both cushioned but I feel in my achilles tendon in some movements, they dont feel totally secure, there is an instability when doing fast movements. They are so high from the ground. The Harden shoe is clearly worse in this aspect. The crazylight boost might work ok if I dont run as fast...

I will try volleyball shoes. These are more dampened than tennis shoes due to all jumping but at the same time they are not as clumsy as the basketball shoes
Any evidence that volleyball shoes are better dampened?

Low profile cushioning trend already started dominating basketball shoes couple of years ago...
 

Lumber

New User
Any evidence that volleyball shoes are better dampened?

Low profile cushioning trend already started dominating basketball shoes couple of years ago...
I have tested many shoes and these are my experiences. There is no large database anywhere that measures all shoes so there is no ultimate evidence available. It also make logical sense that volleyboll shoes have more dampening due to jumping
 

ewiewp

Professional
I have tested many shoes and these are my experiences. There is no large database anywhere that measures all shoes so there is no ultimate evidence available. It also make logical sense that volleyboll shoes have more dampening due to jumping
Thanks for that input. I am gonna try volleyball shoes. Have you tried Asics Elite FF?
 

Lumber

New User
Thanks for that input. I am gonna try volleyball shoes. Have you tried Asics Elite FF?
I tested them and they have good dampening but each shoe have a different fit and ultimately they were not for me, but not saying there is anything wrong with them
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
If anyone is looking to get custom orthotic insoles, I would highly recommend the low profile Footprint Gamechangers!

I have high arches and have used Footprint Kingfoam elite insoles in the past, but eventually decided to get custom insoles molded exactly to my foot. This was available at Road Runner Sports, and although it was a bit pricey I decided it was still worth it for my health.

I wore out my Road Runner insoles, and did a little more research into custom insoles and discovered that Footprint Gamechangers had a low profile version at 3.5mm that won't add too much weight to the shoes or take up too much space, versus the regular Gamechangers which is 6mm thick. But I was a little worried because Footprint recommends this insole for low and medium arch feet, even though this is geared toward arch support and customizable moldability to each foot. But for half the price of the Road Runner insoles, and in my opinion superior tech (I'm a believer in Kingfoam cushioning), I decided to go for it, and used the oven method to mold the insoles. And in the end the insoles molded perfectly to my high arch foot, and I can literally put the Footprint insoles on top of my Road Runner insoles and it's the exact same shape and height, and it is actually lighter by a few grams.

So now with the Mizuno Wave Exceed Tour 4 combined with the Gamechanger insoles I'm able to get great cushioning molded to my foot in a lightweight package (13.5oz total) with no stability problems and the peace of mind of a 6 month warranty.
 

ewiewp

Professional
I tested them and they have good dampening but each shoe have a different fit and ultimately they were not for me, but not saying there is anything wrong with them
Well, I'm going to try them and contribute here for this great thread !
 

ewiewp

Professional
any update? bumping this thread to keep the dialogue alive
This is already complete guide to "proper cushioning". What more do we need ? :-D

Anyway, I have yet to try the top of the line Asics volleyball shoes.
Some says they have more cushion than hoop shoes and some says it has less, I don't know yet.
Covid19 has delayed that a few months. :sick:
 
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Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
I think it’s safe to say that Most 70’s-80’s tennis shoes were much harder on knees than shoes nowadays. I’ll take a vapor x over a cupsole nikecourt any day, but still I get why shoes now don’t have amazing cushioning. I’d say the golden age was the mid 90’s through the 2000’s until 2013.
 

ewiewp

Professional
I think it’s safe to say that Most 70’s-80’s tennis shoes were much harder on knees than shoes nowadays. I’ll take a vapor x over a cupsole nikecourt any day, but still I get why shoes now don’t have amazing cushioning. I’d say the golden age was the mid 90’s through the 2000’s until 2013.
Exactly my opinions too. To me, forefoot cushion became problematic sometime around 2010.
Initially I thought it was my aging issue. :-D Then I realized there were other people with similar issues.
 
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Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
Exactly my opinions too. To me, forefoot cushion became problematic sometime around 2010.
Initially it was my aging issue. :-D Then I realized there were other people with similar issues.
Yeah, I don’t get why forefoot cushioning sucks now. I am relatively young and wear some vapor x’s and after a bit of time my foot starts to hurt, especially after I’m done with tennis which surprises me. I’ve actually fixed this problem with my gel resolution 8’s now to where I don’t get any or major forefoot hurting.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
Adidas. Nike. Wilson.
They all make great shoes that I'd buy again in a second. I've been lucky enough to be perfectly comfortable in the Barricade, the Zoom Vapor, and the Rush Pro.
But guess what? with all of them, I need insoles.
Not with the Asics Gel Blast.
 

airchallenge2

Professional
Adidas. Nike. Wilson.
They all make great shoes that I'd buy again in a second. I've been lucky enough to be perfectly comfortable in the Barricade, the Zoom Vapor, and the Rush Pro.
But guess what? with all of them, I need insoles.
Not with the Asics Gel Blast.
After a while, all shoes could benefit from new insoles, unless they are PU sockliners that last longer.
 

mctennis

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I don’t get why forefoot cushioning sucks now. I am relatively young and wear some vapor x’s and after a bit of time my foot starts to hurt, especially after I’m done with tennis which surprises me. I’ve actually fixed this problem with my gel resolution 8’s now to where I don’t get any or major forefoot hurting.
How did you fix this forefoot problem?
 

Ramon

Legend
Yeah, I don’t get why forefoot cushioning sucks now. I am relatively young and wear some vapor x’s and after a bit of time my foot starts to hurt, especially after I’m done with tennis which surprises me. I’ve actually fixed this problem with my gel resolution 8’s now to where I don’t get any or major forefoot hurting.
Forefoot cushioning only sucks if you look at tennis shoes. With running shoes you have those funny looking Hokas that are so thick your forefeet are an inch off the ground. With basketball shoes it's not uncommon to see shoes with better forefoot cushioning than heel cushioning. One of the shoes I like for tennis is the Crazylight Boost basketball shoe. The forefoot cushioning is amazing (as is the heel cushioning). It's a discontinued model, but I know they have new ones where the cushioning is just as good.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Forefoot cushioning only sucks if you look at tennis shoes. With running shoes you have those funny looking Hokas that are so thick your forefeet are an inch off the ground. With basketball shoes it's not uncommon to see shoes with better forefoot cushioning than heel cushioning. One of the shoes I like for tennis is the Crazylight Boost basketball shoe. The forefoot cushioning is amazing (as is the heel cushioning). It's a discontinued model, but I know they have new ones where the cushioning is just as good.
I've been using running shoes for tennis for over a decade - love the softer edge, better breathability, and better cushioning compared to tennis shoes. But they just discontinued my beloved cheap Indonesian-made Adidas Rockadias (sold out everywhere now), and I'm having trouble finding a substitute with a similar high-arch, narrow-heel mold that fits my foot well.
 

Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
I've been using running shoes for tennis for over a decade - love the softer edge, better breathability, and better cushioning compared to tennis shoes. But they just discontinued my beloved cheap Indonesian-made Adidas Rockadias (sold out everywhere now), and I'm having trouble finding a substitute with a similar high-arch, narrow-heel mold that fits my foot well.
Checked bay-e?
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I've been using running shoes for tennis for over a decade - love the softer edge, better breathability, and better cushioning compared to tennis shoes. But they just discontinued my beloved cheap Indonesian-made Adidas Rockadias (sold out everywhere now), and I'm having trouble finding a substitute with a similar high-arch, narrow-heel mold that fits my foot well.
Stable shoe?
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Stable shoe?
I found that the soft-edge of running shoes helps keep the ankle-stabilizing muscles in shape, so that I'm actually less likely to suffer an ankle roll than when I wear harder-edge tennis shoes. I suffered some bad ankle sprains in my Barricade days 20 years ago. With tennis shoes, once I go over the edge, it's too late for the nerve to fire, and my ankle is toast. With running shoes you feel it much earlier and the muscle starts to react in time.
 

Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
What is up with all these cheap Fred Flintstone wide-heel flat-foot molds from China? I bought an Asics shoe as a Rockadia substitute the other day - cushioning ok, but lack of arch started to give me plantar fascia tendonitis. Felt better as soon as I put a pair of fresh Rockadias back on.
Have you tried orthotics?
 

mctennis

Hall of Fame
I chose a shoe with good forefoot cushioning because I heard the gel res 8 has really soft forefoot cushioning. Plus I use a dr. scholl’s insole.
What shoe did you find with good forefront cushioning? I agree with you, so many poor cushioned ones out there YET the prices keep going up. Over $150 , crazy.
 

Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
What shoe did you find with good forefront cushioning? I agree with you, so many poor cushioned ones out there YET the prices keep going up. Over $150 , crazy.
Some good forefoot cushioned shoes I have tried are the gel resolution 8. The price is a bit much so I’m waiting for one to go on clearance to get a second pair. I wouldn’t look at Nike unless you want to try the Zoom Zero or Air Max wildcard. The air max wildcard has actually great forefoot cushioning, the only problems are the fit and durability. The fit out of the box is extremely tight, but after a week of using it it feels great. The durability sucks, though. One week and it looks like 2 months. The zoom zero has a soft midsole, and the forefoot feels relatively cushioned. The prices for shoes that don’t even have great foam comfort(vapor x, cage 4, solecourt boost) and yet cost 150+.

edit: adidas doesn’t have great cushioned shoes anymore, so I stay away from them. K-Swiss has some nice shoes but I haven’t worn a pair in a decade. Babolat more or less follows Nike’s style, but Wilson I’ve heard with the rush pro 3.0 has a softer cushion, but the traction looks to be super tacky.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I don’t get why forefoot cushioning sucks now. I am relatively young and wear some vapor x’s and after a bit of time my foot starts to hurt, especially after I’m done with tennis which surprises me. I’ve actually fixed this problem with my gel resolution 8’s now to where I don’t get any or major forefoot hurting.
This. I've developed some leg/feet issues, still unsure of what is even going on, all I know is that my tennis shoes absolutely KILL my feet.
I bought a pair of ultra cushioned MBT walking shoes to wear, to alleviate the pain, and now when I try to put my tennis shoes on I can barely even walk in them. It is like walking around with a pair of steel plates taped to my feet.

No heel-to-toe roll at all, just heel then the rest of the foot slaps down. No cushioning at all, every step just sends all the impact jarring straight up through my leg.
Kswiss, New Balance, Adidas, all the shoes I've tried in desperation seem the same. I cannot believe I was able to play in kswiss for so long now. Very disappointed with New Balance after all the reviews saying they were plush and great for wider feet, they just felt like everything else to me.

Any suggestions on highly cushioned shoes appreciated. Starting to look outside the box and looking into basketball/volleyball shoes instead. Or even just normal running shoes but modified someway to improve lateral support. Just bought a pair of nike zoom zero shoes, so we'll see how they go. Not expecting big things though.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
Some good forefoot cushioned shoes I have tried are the gel resolution 8. The price is a bit much so I’m waiting for one to go on clearance to get a second pair. I wouldn’t look at Nike unless you want to try the Zoom Zero or Air Max wildcard. The air max wildcard has actually great forefoot cushioning, the only problems are the fit and durability. The fit out of the box is extremely tight, but after a week of using it it feels great. The durability sucks, though. One week and it looks like 2 months. The zoom zero has a soft midsole, and the forefoot feels relatively cushioned. The prices for shoes that don’t even have great foam comfort(vapor x, cage 4, solecourt boost) and yet cost 150+.

edit: adidas doesn’t have great cushioned shoes anymore, so I stay away from them. K-Swiss has some nice shoes but I haven’t worn a pair in a decade. Babolat more or less follows Nike’s style, but Wilson I’ve heard with the rush pro 3.0 has a softer cushion, but the traction looks to be super tacky.
Kswiss make a great shoe, the Hypercourt Express2 is actually pretty well cushioned relative to the other offerings, but still not enough for me now with whatever's going on.
 
Forefoot cushioning only sucks if you look at tennis shoes...........One of the shoes I like for tennis is the Crazylight Boost basketball shoe. The forefoot cushioning is amazing (as is the heel cushioning). It's a discontinued model, but I know they have new ones where the cushioning is just as good.
Agreed. The Crazy Light Boost is great but they wear out in hours not weeks or months. What new model is similar??



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Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
The Turbo GP looks to have a pretty comfortable midsole, almost too thick for what is considered”court feel” and that forefoot cushioning looks better than other Nike’s:love: the only problem is that toe durability doesn’t look amazing.
 
Just tried a pair of sorbothane insoles today and the initial results were AMAZING, it was like nerves in my body responsible for feeling shock and impact had shut down. Played for almost 2 hours with almost zero joint fatigue afterwards. Highly recommend to anyone who needs to add cushioning to an otherwise perfect shoe.


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mctennis

Hall of Fame
Just tried a pair of sorbothane insoles today and the initial results were AMAZING, it was like nerves in my body responsible for feeling shock and impact had shut down. Played for almost 2 hours with almost zero joint fatigue afterwards. Highly recommend to anyone who needs to add cushioning to an otherwise perfect shoe.


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Any particular brand?
 

FedGR

Professional
Agreed. The Crazy Light Boost is great but they wear out in hours not weeks or months. What new model is similar??



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I've used the CLB extensively and seem to get 8 months of cushioning while playing on hard courts 4-5x per week. Did you personally experience quick wear on your CLBs? Do you remember which generation it was? :)
 

parasailing

Hall of Fame
Received a pr of SCB today. Kinda firm. May drive to the mall, walk an hr. just to break them in.
Nike basketball shoes are the best for tennis if you can afford to change them out every month or so.

Nothing beats a pair of Air Jordan 34s, KD 12s, or LeBron 17s and going forward nothing will. Nike invests the most on their basketball shoes and it shows. The only downside is the durability so cost will be a major factor.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Nike basketball shoes are the best for tennis if you can afford to change them out every month or so.

Nothing beats a pair of Air Jordan 34s, KD 12s, or LeBron 17s and going forward nothing will. Nike invests the most on their basketball shoes and it shows. The only downside is the durability so cost will be a major factor.
Wifey wears Jordans & Lebrons
 

gino

Hall of Fame
Played a few sets in my air max breathe cage 2 - snagged a pair NIB on **** for $80

WHAT A SHOE THIS IS. The forefoot cushion and heel cushion are as good as i remember. What happened to forefoot cushion - ugh

Excited to try the Nike Turbo GP (seems like it has double stacked heel and single zoom units)
 
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