The Decline of Proper Cushioning

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  1. nytennisaddict

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    just bought 2, thx for sharing
     
  2. parasailing

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    After two plus months playing in the Adidas CrazyLight 2016 Boost, they are starting to wear out. The Continental rubber grips the court really well but due to the soft compound, they wear out fast. I already starting to see exposed Boost foam in the forefoot ugh but I guess that's the price to pay for comfort.

    These shoes don't last long but they sure are comfortable.
     
  3. nytennisaddict

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    bought/used these: Footprint Insole Technology High Profile Kingfoam Flat Beach Insole, 8/8.5 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016E2QJ6G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Cd4-xbRQJ4CFA
    amazing!

    played tennis for 3h on hard courts, and don't feel nearly the aches, pains and soreness I usually do (in ankles, knees and Lower back)

    highly recommend these. I just bought 2 more pairs for:
    * my other tennis sneakers
    * snowboard boots
     
  4. Phantasm

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    I got the same model in the same size. They have some wiggle room in My Asics that makes it slide up and ends up with a gap in my heel but overall very comfortable.

    I recommend these too.
     
  5. Readers

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    For FP insoles, I should have posted this earlier but don't listen to the skateboarder review on sizing, they use very different shoes and maybe they all run smaller so you see reviews say you should order 1 size smaller. For lots of tennis shoes you need 1 size larger.
     
  6. ultradr

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    anybody tried nike hyperdunk 2014 with lunarlon?
     
  7. gino

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    Artiladge foam is wearing out a lower rate, but I have been using them sparingly. There's something to be said about a stable chasis within the body of an insole, for that reason, I've gone back to wearing my trusty Spenco Total Support insoles I've been wearing since 2007. They are just perfect for my foot, without having to spend hundreds on custom orthodics that don't include an impact protection tech.
     
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  8. gino

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    Has anybody tried the aero react cushion system? Looks promising:

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  9. Readers

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    I have both, returned spenco TS, it has little cushioning, even spenco's cushioning line up's walker/runner and heavy duty are even close to level of cushion provided by artiladge high profile/elite or new balance 3020/303.

    Guess what you need isn't cushioning after all.
     
  10. gino

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    How are your artiladge insoles treating you? What's your go-to now a days?
     
  11. Readers

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    They are doing well, high profile, elite and NB IPR 3030 are my top 3 now depends on shoes.
     
  12. gino

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    Just looked up these NB IPR 3030, those look excellent man. Are they lower profile?

    Thanks
     
  13. Readers

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    Low in the forefoot, but very thick in middle foot, somewhat thick in heel. It has a very high middle foot bump, I thought it's going to suck for me, but since the bump is very soft, it end up working well for me.
     
  14. gino

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    How are those holding up for you?
     
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    Looks like they went back to EVA from Phylon and an additional Zoom Air unit (in the forefoot, maybe?) for the new Air Zoom Ultra React.

    It'd be nice if there was a white colorway for the new Reacts, though.
     
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  16. Tuskarr

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    i'm on the power cushion bandwagon right now. liking the eclipsions a lot...just wish they were a tad wider. Going to try a medium width yonex shoe after i wear these out. While wearing them around the house to break them in, i didnt think much of the cushioning. Once i got on the court, they were amazing. the energy return is awesome. gives you a little spring in your step.
     
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  17. gino

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    Which power cushion model are you using?
     
  18. Tuskarr

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    Eclipsion model.

    I had the same problem with slightly tight fit and pressure points that the tw reviewers mentioned. However these problems went away when the shoes broke in. The eclipsion are very fit dependent so won't be a shoe for everyone.

    The power cushion reminds of what boost could be in a tennis shoes, but until adidas releases a full length boost barricade model then I'm sticking with yonex. I don't have the foot pain like I did when I wore lunar ballistec if playing for a few hours.
     
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  19. gino

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    interesting to hear your comparisons to boost, must be worth a try
     
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    I have an issue with patellar tendonitis in one knee. Can someone tell me if this improves with more cushioned shoes? (I'm playing with the ubizeros now)

    I'm not sure if the shoes make a difference, or I just need to do my rehab exercises.
     
  21. every7

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    Agree, yonex make the best shoes by far.
     
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  22. gino

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    The ubersonics are very low to the ground shoes with minimalistic cushioniong

    I recommend any of the following:

    lunar ballistec
    asics gel resolution
    nike air max cage
    barricade boost

    good luck @barnes1172
     
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  23. parasailing

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    Any one tried out the new Asics Gel Court FF which seem to have gotten great reviews or the new Nike Air Zoom Ultra React?
     
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    I haven't tried either, but the FF looks really cool
     
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    I heard good things about the Asics FF shoe in another thread. I don't want to waste $170 plus tax on a pair of shoes that I can't return if it has some fitting issue or just doesn't work out. I have tried so many pairs of shoes and none come close to the Vapor Tour 9.5s in terms of stable, breathable, and lightweight pair of shoes. The only downside is the lack of full length Zoom Air which would make it the GSOAT.

    The Crazy Light Boost 2016 had good cushioning and traction but didn't have the lock down stability. The Under Armour Clutchfit Drive Low Micro G had great cushioning and support but wasn't very breathable. The Nike KD 9 are close but they have a defect issue where the Zoom Air bubble would pop very easily.

    So it's either the FF or the new Nike React Zoom as possible options.
     
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  26. gino

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    Couldn't agree with you more @parasailing -- it comes down to cushioning with the 9.5. If it was stellar in that department, it would hands down be the GSOAT. Easy
     
  27. Fintft

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    Only lunar ballistic on hard courts and with Dr Scholl's Active insoles...

    On clay it doesn't really matter, so Gel Resolution 6 it is for me (with the same insoles though).
     
  28. gino

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    I love the Vapor 9 on clay. It's got just enough cushion

    I use these:

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  29. Fintft

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    You must be light. I'm 230 LBs (after an injury) at 6'2" and the Vapors just give in too much/lose support after a couple of weeks on clay. On hard courts I just shave them.
     
  30. gino

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    hahah not too light. I am 170 and about 5' 9", but I agree the midsole eventually gives. Still, a pretty decently cushioned shoe for the clay. The full herringbone is terrific too
     
  31. parasailing

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    You guys are so lucky to be able to play on clay courts. But for those of us who have to play on hard courts, gotta find the most comfortable shoes possible and so far that has been basketball shoes instead.

    Looking at either the Asics GR 7 or Gel Court FF or even the Nike React shoe.
     
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    Lunar ballistic has significantly better cushioning than GR6? It's too narrow for me so never wear them on court, but trying them and owning lunar foam runners, hard to believe that's the case.(I do play with GR6 wide)
     
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    In the past I had tendonitis that only improved with more minimalistic cushioned shoes, and later returned with overly cushioned shoes, proving that there was something that didn't agree with my knee when it came to a ton of cushion. Back then it was the New Balance 996s (or whatever version of their more minimal shoe it was) that worked very well for me, and now the Asics Speeds, which is a nice minimal cushioning but not overly plush (like Resolutions) nor barefoot-feeling.
     
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  34. Fintft

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    Way more, as GR is lacking frontal cushioning (they reduced it a few versions ago, like 4, as ver 5 didn't have it either).
     
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    I think that the deepest herringbone is on Gel Resolution, one reason I chose them for clay.
     
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    So do the GR 6s or 7s lack frontal cushioning as well?
     
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    Not sure about 7, but 6 (and 5) seem to lack frontal cushioning. Plus heel slippage and a friend rolled an ankle (felt it didn't have enough lateral support either).
     
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    Yonex. Cushioning and durability and good ankle support.

    I used to use Adidas but they turned to junk about 4 years or so back. Yonex shoes hug and snug your feet like Care Bears - paired with the right socks they're a perfect match. I easily get at least 6+ months from them.
     
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    Just tried artilage insoles in my Babolat Sfx2s. The ones with the blue denim-like surface ($10 on Amazon prime). No earth shattering difference, but I'll note that the stock insole in the Babolats is far superior to many I have seen.

    Going to try the new insoles in a pair of Adizero featherlight IIs I've pretty much relegated to clay courts due to the minimal midsole. Love the feel of those shoes and hoping the shock absorption let's me wear them more.
     
  40. chikoo

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    artilage is $33 on amazon.
    what did u buy?
     
  41. gino

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    I moved away from them. they take up way too much room in the toe box
     
  42. ultradr

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    I am currently trying out impact protection oriented basketball shoes.
    UA Curry 3 was pretty low profile.
    UA ClutchFit Drive 3 has pretty thick midsoles and best cushioning so far.
    I'm also trying out shoes from a company called Brandblack. Their Jetlon is a great cushion but they are petty low profile(J Crossover2, blackhawk).
     
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  43. gino

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    Did you try the curry 3 mid or low? I have the mids and I hate the charged cushion . It feels really stiff and just doesn't give me a solid feeling of impact protection. I can't speak to the CFD3 or brand black. Although a buddy of mine has the JC2 and loves them.
     
  44. every7

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    Gino, do you have a buying link for the Spenco's, or do you buy them at a physical store?
     
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    Been using these puppies since 2007. Damn, it's been a while. I had some custom orthodics before 2007. But they always lacked enough cushioning to satisfy my needs on the court. The interesting thing about the Polysob TS, is that they have dense/thick cushioning in the heel and midfoot, but the ball/toe area is super low-to the ground and relembles a cheap carrier foam (EVA/Phylon/cushlon/etc). That yields great toe-box room for my wide as$ feet. I love them. Other than the brief 2 month stint with the artilidge, I've used them for 10 straight years. Various pairs of course. I've probably been through probably two a year. 20 or so:

    https://spenco.com/product.aspx?prodid=47

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    Awesome. Thank you.
     
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    I see that UA brought back MIcro G for ClutchFit Drive 3. I had the original ClutchFit Drive Low and love the Micro G cushioning but the ventilation was an issue. Is ventilation still an issue with these shoes?
     
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    I only tried these at stores so far. So I have very limited tests but I don't think ClutchFir Drive 3 is nicely ventilated. It also felt somewhat cluncky. But it has really nice thick Micro G cushions. I think there is a hint of charged foam I can feel.
    In terms of forefoot cushion, it is best so far but probably not really nimble shoes.

    I tried Curry 3 mid. I felt it is very low profile and forefoot cushion felt pretty firm.

    JC2 is really nice. But it is pretty low profile but nice bouncy cushions. I'll probably ok with its forefoot cushions. This maybe ideal for people looking for low profile but still top cushions.
    JC3 is supposed to ride higher and softer cushions but just can't find them at any physical stores.

    Next I'm gonna try Adidas. Very popular D Rose 6 and a budget crazy bounce and crazy team.
     
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  49. parasailing

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    @ultradr - I have tried the Crazy Light Boost 2016 and though they have good amount of cushion, they lack lateral stability and feel a bit clunky.

    I have the original Clutchfit Drive Low and I think they are okay, not great in the stability and lateral department. They feel solid but not as locked down as the Vapor Tour 9s or 9.5s.
     
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    I've heard the Rose 6 is stellar. I just think it looks clunky:

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