Rob, I've seen one match of Guccioni's. If I saw others like that, then I'd agree.
I meant DY.
Rob, I've seen one match of Guccioni's. If I saw others like that, then I'd agree.
Oh ok.
And let's be professional like this man. I've already made one mistake getting hot on someone that I shouldn't have been, and apologized. I don't want to get heated with people. Lots of intelligent conversation on here.
So I'll ask this. Why do you think DY is no more than a 4.5? I stand by what I did say, whether I'm wrong or not, but I believe he has all the tools without the noggin behind it.
I don't think people are understanding my point I'm making.
There's not a chance in hell ANY of us are going to beat him. He IS top 200 in the world. His serve is upwards of 125+. He's a physical specimen.
But I'm just saying that the guy has faced guys like Nadal and Hewitt, and made tons of errors. He's faced guys like Blake and lost because of errors. When he's been on his horrible losing streaks like he's been on in these qualifiers and wild cards, he makes these same mistakes. I'm not saying anyone on here is BETTER than Donald Young, because that's a numbnuts idea in itself. I'm just saying that, no matter who he plays, he plays the same way, makes a ton of errors, double faults a ton, and gets into his own head.
Now if he curbed the mistakes, every single one of us here would be lucky to get a point. That's just what I'm trying to say. I once got whacked in a tournament 1 and 1 by a guy WAY WAY past my level(I was 18 at the time), and the reason it was 1 and 1 instead of a double bagel because, in those two games he lost combined, he had 4 double faults and four errors.
Donald Young's problem, flat out, is his head more than anything else. He's still an elite player compared to the world, but he makes a LOT of mistakes(and the majority are unforced), and that's my point. What's keeping him from making mistakes against a lesser player?
Young looking awesome in Atlanta.
Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round.
Young will be winning ATP titles long after Russel retires from serving coffee to Gimelstob in the WTT commentator booth.
Young looking awesome in Atlanta.
Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round.
I'd be stunned if DY ever wins an atp title. I mean Newport is virtually a challenger and the guy can't make a dent.
Young has a better shot at ATP titles and possibly slams down the road than Russel does at making a decent cup of coffee.
What do you about Russell and his coffee making abilities?
These days you can buy amazing coffee machines where you literally don't have to do much of the work, you just press buttons. Awesome coffee no problem.
And Young winning "slams down the road"? Has there ever been a slam won by virtue of seven walkovers?
I didn't think so.
Young has a better shot at ATP titles and possibly slams down the road than Russel does at making a decent cup of coffee.
Well, Young had much more promise than those two, but looks to have ended up in a similar place. Career-high 60 for Russell - Young's high is somewhere in the 70s, if I remember correctly. Good record in challengers, occasional wins in the big leagues. Russell had his one moment of glory.
Bastl also topped out in the 70s, had a few years in the roughly 100s. Young is better than that I think.
Paul Goldstein is another guy of that similar level. Lots of success in challengers, mostly losses in the main draw.
I wasn't thinking of hats at all. I was thinking of players who topped out with rankings just above 100. At that level, you're winning lots of challengers but not winning many main draw matches.
Goldstein beat Djokovic at the Australian Open, and beat top guys like Pat Rafter. Young did have that win over Murray recently. So on any given day...
Please. Murray was in his " I just disgraced myself at another Slam final" funk. the murray DY beat was his imposter.
Russell has earned his place on the tour year after year, Young has wild card after wild card to thank for his.
Thats not true, he been battling it out in Challengers, and he's come thru qualies a few times this year.
He's qualied for Aussie Open, IW, Miami, Eastbourne.
So what he got a WC in ATL, he's from ATL, and he was the last alternate out of the MD and they had one WC left.
He has been a Challenger level player his whole career, necessitating wild cards for over 20 plus tour level events.
I feel certain he holds the record for the most wildcards. What article did I read that in?
He does not appear to be playing in Legg Mason or LA. Wonder what's up?
He's in the MD of the Legg Mason, he plays a qualifier in R1.
Ok, he hasn't made a sustained breakthrough as of yet, but I'd say about 1/3 of those WCs he earned by his jr accomplishments, winning 2 jr GSs, winning K'zoo 2 yrs in a row at 15, 16 yrs old. Would have been 3 yrs in a row had he chosen to play in '07.
Some of the WCs were overkill but that also due to tournament directors giving the WCs also, it's a 2 way street. It's not his fault he was good enough at a young age to dominate the jrs, but not be physically mature, strong enough to beat men.
However, in '07 he did win jr Wimby and the Aptos Challenger that summer, and he actually took very few WCs in '07, maybe 3 total.
At the end of '07 he was ranked inside the top 100 so he didnt need WCs in '08, except for maybe the Masters Series cause he got DA into most tourneys.
In '08 his ranking dropped because he didnt defend his US Open pts and he fell out of the top 100 and he hadnt been back until this yr, briefly.
One thing you might be overlooking is that there really havent been many other players more deserving of WCs than DY, IMO. He's been ranked above most US players until recently.
Sweeting has overtaken him this yr since his win at Houston, but up until then DY was ranked ahead of him, and is 2 yrs younger.
Harrison is blowing up at the moment, but, until ATL last week, Harrison hadn't cracked the top 100.
Kudla has been doing well this yr, but is still ranked in the 300s.
Kosakoswki is doing well also, but is ranked in the 400s.
Sock is ranked in the 600s right now I think, but he hasnt been playing much lately.
I think part of the problem is that DY has been around 'so long' because he turned pro at 14 and has been playing pro tourneys for so long so it seems he's always getting WCs, but the other players should show some potential at the same time.
If the # of WCs is 20+ as you say, over 6 yrs, since '05, that's an avg of 3 per year.
As I previously stated, Michael Russell has earned his place without the benefit of WC's for many years now, while DY has more often than not only been in main draws because of them, thus the point I was making, Michael Russell has earned his place on tour(the main tour), while DY has WC's to thank for his place on the tour, although he has earned his journeyman status on the challenger circuit.
As I previously stated, Michael Russell has earned his place without the benefit of WC's for many years now, while DY has more often than not only been in main draws because of them, thus the point I was making, Michael Russell has earned his place on tour(the main tour), while DY has WC's to thank for his place on the tour, although he has earned his journeyman status on the challenger circuit.
I'll check later, but I think ATL was his 1st WC of the yr. Not 100% sure. If he's only gotten 1-2 WCs this yr, is that an issue??
He's gotten 1 WC this yr.
5 in '10, US Open, Cinci, New Haven, Washington, & Houston.
2 in '09, Memphis & Washington.
4 in '08, IW, Newport, Cinci, & New Haven. The Newport WC was because he didnt enter by the dealine. The last DA was Simon Stadler at 168, and DY was inside the top 100 at that time.
Thats a total of 12 WCs in the last 4 yrs, and avg of 3/yr. And it's not like he was the only one getting WCs either.
I'm comparing Michael Russell with DY. Does he have that same wild card average, does any American player over the last six years?