Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by jaggy, Jul 13, 2011.
I meant DY.
And let's be professional like this man. I've already made one mistake getting hot on someone that I shouldn't have been, and apologized. I don't want to get heated with people. Lots of intelligent conversation on here.
So I'll ask this. Why do you think DY is no more than a 4.5? I stand by what I did say, whether I'm wrong or not, but I believe he has all the tools without the noggin behind it.
Jake, buddy. I was being sarcastic. DY is way above a 4.5. His level is probably 6.5, which means NTRP doesnt really apply to him.
NTRP is mainly for amateur players for tournaments & leagues so people play against players of similar ability.
DY would win 6-0, 6-0. He makes mistakes against other pros b/c of the
pressure and also the incoming balls are harder and better placed than the ones
you'd be hitting to him. His opponents cover much more court than you so
he is forced to go for much more.
It's like asking a MLB player that strikes out 150x a year to try to hit a
stationary ball on a T. He's not going whiff 3x.
notice how your examples are Nadal, Hewitt, and Blake, current and former top 10 players...
i doubt that you or anyone here could take donald young out of his comfort zone at all to make him make the errors he makes when playing professional players.
so your point really makes no sense.
And my examples are also every other challenger player besides the best in the world too. Same thing.
Young looking awesome in Atlanta.
Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round.
Young will be winning ATP titles long after Russel retires from serving coffee to Gimelstob in the WTT commentator booth.
I'd be stunned if DY ever wins an atp title. I mean Newport is virtually a challenger and the guy can't make a dent.
Young's ultimate destination is South Fulton TC, giving "lessons" to all the chidren, in between his shifts at the McDonalds on Old National.
Young has a better shot at ATP titles and possibly slams down the road than Russel does at making a decent cup of coffee.
What do you about Russell and his coffee making abilities?
These days you can buy amazing coffee machines where you literally don't have to do much of the work, you just press buttons. Awesome coffee no problem.
And Young winning "slams down the road"? Has there ever been a slam won by virtue of seven walkovers?
I didn't think so.
Young won jr slams and beats top guys like Murray even now when he's on. I agree about coffee though - why press buttons when you can just go into a coma and arrange with the nurse to give you caffeine injections - enjoy.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha...........now that's funny!!
Young has NO SHOT at winning anything; well, MAYBE an ALTA plate.....
Michael Russell isn't the most talented player out there, but he works hard and treats the game professionally. If Donald Young treated the game in the same way, maybe he wouldn't be winning slams, but he could be better than Jarkko Nieminen (was top junior without big weapons who has had a successful career in ATP tournaments - as high as 13 in the world).
Giving Russell credit, he plays every point like the end of the world is coming, and I can respect that.
After watching Russell and Young play each other, Russell has a motor that keeps running and he just hits the best ball he can even if it's not a winner. Young has all of the tools, but he seems to make way too many errors and then gets really upset when he does. You have to learn to shrug off your errors and make adjustments on the fly. Unfortunately until Young can do that, I am not sure if he is going to be winning much of anything.
1) Russell from yesterday
2) Young from yesterday
Russell's an obvious gym rat. Really built.
why can't donald young hire a real coach, nothing against the parents, but when is it enough!
the dude's been having major meltdowns during matches, throwing racquets, getting annoyed at himself. lack of concentration.
Which has been my point all along. Lots of tools, no noggin.
"Young won jr slams and beats top guys like Murray even now when he's on. I agree about coffee though - why press buttons when you can just go into a coma and arrange with the nurse to give you caffeine injections - enjoy."
Most winners of junior titles at the majors never go on to repeat the feat at a higher level. The fact that Donald Young was able to beat Andy Murray earlier this year says more about Murray's level at that time than it does about Young.
Donald Young might simply not have the talent and/or the temperament/mind of a champion.
Bottom line; another wild card, another 1st round loss-to Michael Russell at that!. Gets a wild card into hometown tournament, gets a lucky draw against someone he has a chance against. What happens? Gets bageled in first set and never in the match.
Russell pounded DY's backhand and just kept the ball in play. match lasted only one hour and thirteen minutes. DY served only 53% fist serves, no aces, 2 double faults. Question: How long will the USTA keep giving wild cards to DY, a player who has publicly blasted the USTA for its "treatment " of him. I predict he will get a wild card into the USO and then lose in the first round.
And watch his wild card opponent be Golubev, and Golubev's losing streak end right there...something like 6-2 6-1 6-4.
Blake had the J block, DY has the Mental block
Goldstein beat Djokovic at the Australian Open, and beat top guys like Pat Rafter. Young did have that win over Murray recently. So on any given day...
Please. Murray was in his " I just disgraced myself at another Slam final" funk. the murray DY beat was his imposter.
Russell has earned his place on the tour year after year, Young has wild card after wild card to thank for his.
A win is a win. Murray should never lose a match like that...but like I said...on any given day...
The problem with Donald is that ugly forehand. He just doesn't do anything special out there.
Why would Young have not played in LA?
Thats not true, he been battling it out in Challengers, and he's come thru qualies a few times this year.
He's qualied for Aussie Open, IW, Miami, Eastbourne.
So what he got a WC in ATL, he's from ATL, and he was the last alternate out of the MD and they had one WC left.
He has been a Challenger level player his whole career, necessitating wild cards for over 20 plus tour level events.
Ok, he hasn't made a sustained breakthrough as of yet, but I'd say about 1/3 of those WCs he earned by his jr accomplishments, winning 2 jr GSs, winning K'zoo 2 yrs in a row at 15, 16 yrs old. Would have been 3 yrs in a row had he chosen to play in '07.
Some of the WCs were overkill but that also due to tournament directors giving the WCs also, it's a 2 way street. It's not his fault he was good enough at a young age to dominate the jrs, but not be physically mature, strong enough to beat men.
However, in '07 he did win jr Wimby and the Aptos Challenger that summer, and he actually took very few WCs in '07, maybe 3 total.
At the end of '07 he was ranked inside the top 100 so he didnt need WCs in '08, except for maybe the Masters Series cause he got DA into most tourneys.
In '08 his ranking dropped because he didnt defend his US Open pts and he fell out of the top 100 and he hadnt been back until this yr, briefly.
One thing you might be overlooking is that there really havent been many other players more deserving of WCs than DY, IMO. He's been ranked above most US players until recently.
Sweeting has overtaken him this yr since his win at Houston, but up until then DY was ranked ahead of him, and is 2 yrs younger.
Harrison is blowing up at the moment, but, until ATL last week, Harrison hadn't cracked the top 100.
Kudla has been doing well this yr, but is still ranked in the 300s.
Kosakoswki is doing well also, but is ranked in the 400s.
Sock is ranked in the 600s right now I think, but he hasnt been playing much lately.
I think part of the problem is that DY has been around 'so long' because he turned pro at 14 and has been playing pro tourneys for so long so it seems he's always getting WCs, but the other players should show some potential at the same time.
If the # of WCs is 20+ as you say, over 6 yrs, since '05, that's an avg of 3 per year.
I feel certain he holds the record for the most wildcards. What article did I read that in?
He does not appear to be playing in Legg Mason or LA. Wonder what's up?
So what if he got a lot of WCs. For the most part, it's over, and WCs are at the tournament's discretion anyway.
I'll never understand the continued negative obsession with DY, especially now that he's not that visible anymore. Clearly, he's not a threat to the established order of things, so why even bother discussing him. You'd think all of you who hate DY would put it to rest. He hasn't broken through on tour, so you should be happy.
He's in the MD of the Legg Mason, he plays a qualifier in R1.
Well I am a fan, so no negativity here. The 'haters' are driven by what is perceived as wasted talent despite many free opportunities to break through.
I'd love to see him get deeper into draws and play some solid, mature tennis. There is still time.
I see now on the right side of the draw sheet.
As I previously stated, Michael Russell has earned his place without the benefit of WC's for many years now, while DY has more often than not only been in main draws because of them, thus the point I was making, Michael Russell has earned his place on tour(the main tour), while DY has WC's to thank for his place on the tour, although he has earned his journeyman status on the challenger circuit.
Donald SUCK is just a mediocre player, look at his matches and anybody who undertands about tennis will see it, of course once in a while He will have a good win here and there, but that is mostly because of his opponents day-off than because of his capability.
He just won; he was ahead in the third when Melzer retired.
(Given that it was a retirement, I'll bet there'll be those with lots to say about how it wasn't a real victory. :-? )
I'll check later, but I think ATL was his 1st WC of the yr. Not 100% sure. If he's only gotten 1-2 WCs this yr, is that an issue??
He's gotten 1 WC this yr.
5 in '10, US Open, Cinci, New Haven, Washington, & Houston.
2 in '09, Memphis & Washington.
4 in '08, IW, Newport, Cinci, & New Haven. The Newport WC was because he didnt enter by the dealine. The last DA was Simon Stadler at 168, and DY was inside the top 100 at that time.
Thats a total of 12 WCs in the last 4 yrs, and avg of 3/yr. And it's not like he was the only one getting WCs either.
Very good result. Beating the 2nd top 10. Not something to sneeze at ....
But he needs to get into the QFs of serious tourneys ...
the way you guys carry on about the poor guy reminds me of the Australian media with Tomic.
Like Tomic, DY seems to be doing what none of the rest can do... (ie, actually make it into the top 100)
DY probably feels that he has something to prove, with Harrison recently eclipsing him in the rankings
DY HAS ARRIVED!!!
Kidding. Seriously though, it's nice that he's done something in winning two matches at an ATP 500 and upsetting Melzer along the way. No, it's not the most impressive win over a ranked player, but it's a good win.
I haven't read the thread. I'm sure many TWers find something "wrong" with the Melzer win.
I'm comparing Michael Russell with DY. Does he have that same wild card average, does any American player over the last six years?
Michael Russell was never a stand out jr or college player. Never won anything big. No Kalamazoo, no Orange Bowl, no jr Slams, no NCAA championships.
Would you give Rhyne Williams a bunch of WCs??
As for your question, I'm sure Ryan Harrison has gotten a few WCs.
Harrison's WCs the past two yrs
Aussie Open, Delray Bch, IW, Miami, Houston, Queens, Washington. 7 total.
Aussie Open, San Jose, IW, Miami, Queens, Newport. 6 total.
13 WCs in 2 yrs.
DY has had 12 WCs in the past 4 yrs.
I thikn we can all agree that Donald Young can switch it on at will against the best of the best, his main problem is motivating himself against the sub-100 players and assorted jounreymen he expects himself to beat.
Young gets past Melzer with the aid of a retirement. Let's see if he can put three wins in a row together when he faces Russell.
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