***The Donnay Pro One Int'l MP Club***

Come on guys. Don't encourage TW.
The price is one of the merits this racquet has (other than flex, glassfiber).
Actually $100 is a little high considering the much newer models going under $100. :)
Around $70-80 sounds more reasonable :twisted:

About strings, it might be worth trying full natural gut at least once. After all, this is supposed to be a flexible old school racquet.
 
Come on guys. Don't encourage TW.
The price is one of the merits this racquet has (other than flex, glassfiber).
Actually $100 is a little high considering the much newer models going under $100. :)
Around $70-80 sounds more reasonable :twisted:
Huh? This TW model only came out less than a year ago. Which other new model racquets from other brands are selling for under $100? :confused:
 
I cant believe Im not in that list ! I bought my original Donnay Int'l in 92 and still use it. Recently I purchased the pro one intl edition 96 (black and yellow), I love it even if its not excatly the same frame (the 96 is lighter) My tennis partners are hella surprised to see my old frames, "oh its a Donnay !" Im so proud to show them.
 
I cant believe Im not in that list ! I bought my original Donnay Int'l in 92 and still use it. Recently I purchased the pro one intl edition 96 (black and yellow), I love it even if its not excatly the same frame (the 96 is lighter) My tennis partners are hella surprised to see my old frames, "oh its a Donnay !" Im so proud to show them.

Yeah tell them Pete! :)

BTW: the frame is the same but the specs are not nor the construction, all great sticks. To me the 1996 edition has a tad more feel or touch.
 
Huh? This TW model only came out less than a year ago. Which other new model racquets from other brands are selling for under $100? :confused:
I take ttwarrior, maxply McEnroe, m-fil 200, liquid metal radical, nxg mid, etc. as the models much newer than this model.
 
I take ttwarrior, maxply McEnroe, m-fil 200, liquid metal radical, nxg mid, etc. as the models much newer than this model.
Nope, all of those racquets you've listed above came out well BEFORE the TW Edition of the Donnay Pro One Int'l MP, which is a different racquet from the ones that came out 10-15 years ago. The TW model only came out in August 2007. For example, the TT Warrior came out in like 2000.
 
Nope, all of those racquets you've listed above came out well BEFORE the TW Edition of the Donnay Pro One Int'l MP, which is a different racquet from the ones that came out 10-15 years ago. The TW model only came out in August 2007. For example, the TT Warrior came out in like 2000.

You consider this racquet as a new model but I don't, as you probably have already understood in my tongue in cheek post about its pricing.
I regard it as a reproduction of the old model. Even the "new" composition was previously used according to ericsson's post.
But frankly, I don't care and not a big deal to me. Is it to you?
 
You consider this racquet as a new model but I don't, as you probably have already understood in my tongue in cheek post about its pricing.
I regard it as a reproduction of the old model. Even the "new" composition was previously used according to ericsson's post.
But frankly, I don't care and not a big deal to me. Is it to you?
I'm pretty sure that Donnay has never made a Pro One Int'l "Limited Edition" with the same composition as the TW version before now. The original P.O. Int'l's were 50% graphite and 50% fiberglass. TW changed the composition for the modern game by making it stiffer by using 75% graphite and 25% fiberglass. This is very much a "new model", IMO.

IMO, it's a much better racquet than any of the other racquets you've listed. I wouldn't even pay the low prices that TW asks for any those other racquets but I would pay double the price TW asks for the Donnay Pro One.

BTW, have you even played with the TW Donnay Pro One Int'l MP?

BTW, how much do you think a "reproduction" of the St. Vincent PS 6.0 85 or the Dunlop Max 200G would sell for today if they played the same as the originals? Probably a lot more than $200, I'd bet. Even a new China version PS 6.0 85 recently sold for over $500 on the bay.
 
IMO, it's a much better racquet than any of the other racquets you've listed. I wouldn't even pay the low prices that TW asks for any those other racquets but I would pay double the price TW asks for the Donnay Pro One.

It's not a point at issue. I never even suggested this racquet is worse than those.
I guess you just simply continue to disregard the intention of my post about pricing. I doubt you didn't understand it.
So, the question is, is whether this racquet is an old model or not such a big deal to you? Or is there anything else that really bothers you?

BTW, have you even played with the TW Donnay Pro One Int'l MP?
Yes, as you would have known if you had read this thread. And even in my post about the pricing, I suggested stringing it with a natural gut. Why would anyone suggest a string for a racquet he hasn't used?

BTW, how much do you think a "reproduction" of the St. Vincent PS 6.0 85 or the Dunlop Max 200G would sell for today if they played the same as the originals? Probably a lot more than $200, I'd bet.

Fortunately, this model does not have the status of those models you mentioned.
If this model had, tw would sell it at a different price, as you said.
 
Yes, as you would have known if you had read this thread. And even in my post about the pricing, I suggested stringing it with a natural gut. Why would anyone suggest a string for a racquet he hasn't used?
It was this sentence in your post that led me to suspect if you have played with the Donnay at all:
About strings, it might be worth trying full natural gut at least once. After all, this is supposed to be a flexible old school racquet.
If you had already played with it, you should know that it's a flexible old school racquet and not just what it's "supposed to be", right?
 
It was this sentence in your post that led me to suspect if you have played with the Donnay at all:

If you had already played with it, you should know that it's a flexible old school racquet and not just what it's "supposed to be", right?

Nope.
I don't see how that sentence alone suggests that I don't have used it. Rather "hmm, this guy likes a natural gut with this racquet." would be a normal reasoning that one would make from the sentences.

Not everyone talks as if what he thinks and likes is simply for that reason alone applicable to others.
Hence, pointing out the probable reason for which other users bought this racquet and saying that that would be a good reason for them to try at least once a full gut job with this racquet.

Anyway, you seem to take my post in the worst possible way. Would you mind telling me why?
 
Nope.
I don't see how that sentence alone suggests that I don't have used it. Rather "hmm, this guy likes a natural gut with this racquet." would be a normal reasoning that one would make from the sentences.
If I said - "The Pure Drive is supposed to be a stiff, powerful racquet." Well, that certainly sounds like I've never played with one. If I had played with one, I would know exactly what kind of racquet it is and I would say instead - "The Pure Drive is a stiff, powerful racquet, period."

In any case, I've always found that stiffer strings work better in flexible racquets and softer strings work better in stiff racquets. You need one to offset the other. Thus, I wouldn't recomment using full natural gut in the Donnay. In fact, cheap, stiff, Wilson Stamina is working fine for me in my Donnay. I think soft strings in a flexy racquet makes the stringbed feel way too mushy and also causes a loss of control because both the strings and the frame are moving (flexing) too much.
 
Speaking about the pro ones...Concerning my yellow and black version it has the three letter "TEH" on the butt cap of my grip . If my pro one was made in Taiwan it should be "TEI" and not "TEH". What does it mean ? Are you sure that all pro ones was made in taiwan and not in China ? Another guy has "TFA" on his pro one int racquet (same black and yellow version)...
 
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If I said - "The Pure Drive is supposed to be a stiff, powerful racquet." Well, that certainly sounds like I've never played with one. If I had played with one, I would know exactly what kind of racquet it is and I would say instead - "The Pure Drive is a stiff, powerful racquet, period."
I don't want to keep repeating what I said earlier, please read the second paragraph of the post you quoted.
Since you don't seem to understand it or maybe just don't want to make a simple acknowledgment that you misunderstood, think about the following case.
Someone tells another (who doesn't pick up his effort for a difficult part of a course), "It's supposed to be the hardest part of this course. So, you should try your best." (Btw, I don't assume that not trying full gut for pro one is like not trying one's best. I know I don't need to say this. But better be safe, right?)
Does this imply that the speaker does not know the course? No. Rather, what the first sentence implies is that it's a common knowledge shared by both the speaker and the listener that it's the hardest part of the course.
And that's the same way of speech that I used in the sentences. So, I'm not sure which is the case: do you not want to admit that there's such a way of speech? or Do you not care what I meant? In that case I doubt there's any point of posting about my post. Or is it too hard to make a simple acknowledgment of misunderstanding?

In any case, I've always found that stiffer strings work better in flexible racquets and softer strings work better in stiff racquets. You need one to offset the other. Thus, I wouldn't recomment using full natural gut in the Donnay. In fact, cheap, stiff, Wilson Stamina is working fine for me in my Donnay. I think soft strings in a flexy racquet makes the stringbed feel way too mushy and also causes a loss of control because both the strings and the frame are moving (flexing) too much.
In my case, the racquet would feel too dead for me under such a set up. As I mentioned in an earlier post, what's missing for me is weight to balance out the flex, not a stiffer string. Maybe, I should question as you did if you've really played with this racquet since your preference is different from mine. Maybe I should undermine the authority of your comment by mentioning this is not even your main racquet.... :) Nah, not my cup of tea.
Anyway, not so long ago, all the posers like me used natural guts (though not you according to your post), the choice of pros. I wonder how we were able to play with those flexible racquets strung with gut. Maybe that's why my tennis is not so great to say the least...
(Just to make sure, no, I didn't and don't use natural gut because it was the choice of pros but because of its feel, tension/playing character maintenance. Again, better be safe...)
 
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Speaking about the pro ones...Concerning my yellow and black version it has the three letter "TEH" on the butt cap of my grip . If my pro one was made in Taiwan it should be "TEI" and not "TEH". What does it mean ? Are you sure that all pro ones was made in taiwan and not in China ? Another guy has "TFA" on his pro one int racquet (same black and yellow version)...

Pete, mine says TFA too, i think when the code starts with a T it should be made in Taiwan, from 93-94 till 1996 they moved the production to Taiwan, after that they've got China involved too, my last pro one supermidsize kevlar (not International) was made in China.

ps: what's the code on your original pro one from 1992?
 
Pete, mine says TFA too, i think when the code starts with a T it should be made in Taiwan, from 93-94 till 1996 they moved the production to Taiwan, after that they've got China involved too, my last pro one supermidsize kevlar (not International) was made in China.

ps: what's the code on your original pro one from 1992?

100% correct the Pro One & Pro One (91-96) International, were only ever made in Taiwan (By YMA & Taiwan Strong) as China was not a on line producer back then. Once Sports World got involved the racquets were made cheaper in China mainly for Hyper Market consumption.
 
Pete, mine says TFA too, i think when the code starts with a T it should be made in Taiwan, from 93-94 till 1996 they moved the production to Taiwan, after that they've got China involved too, my last pro one supermidsize kevlar (not International) was made in China.

ps: what's the code on your original pro one from 1992?

I didnt notice any code on my Pro One Int 92, just the "made in belgium" mention ;-). Im pretty worried about my yellow and black Pro One Int 96, the code is TEH and not TFA, do you think Ive got a false Donnay ?:shock:
 
ericsson - can u compare this one with the T10V mid? TW has the flex at 58 which may a little too soft for this one...sometimes i need more pop for winners.

thanks.
 
ericsson - can u compare this one with the T10V mid? TW has the flex at 58 which may a little too soft for this one...sometimes i need more pop for winners.

thanks.

Bad call, what do you mean by this one? the TW version? (didnt play the TW version yet..)
 
I didnt notice any code on my Pro One Int 92, just the "made in belgium" mention ;-). Im pretty worried about my yellow and black Pro One Int 96, the code is TEH and not TFA, do you think Ive got a false Donnay ?:shock:

Pete, as far as i know i never noticed a false pro one but everything is possible, if you could provide us some photos i could have a better view...
I will post pics soon of all pro one internationals.
 
...I will post pics soon of all pro one internationals.

Yeah that would be great. As far as I know, there are three versions out there.

1. Pro One "SUPERMIDSIZE" Made in Belgium 100% Graphite (Grey, Teal and Red PJ)
2. Pro One International, Clay court version (?), Made in Taiwan 75% Graphite 25% Fiberglass (Black & Yellow PJ)
3. Pro One International, latest TW version, Made in China 50% Graphite 50% Fiberglass (Purple & Red PJ)

Is this correct ? Did I miss any ?
 
Yeah that would be great. As far as I know, there are three versions out there.

1. Pro One "SUPERMIDSIZE" Made in Belgium 100% Graphite (Grey, Teal and Red PJ)
2. Pro One International, Clay court version (?), Made in Taiwan 75% Graphite 25% Fiberglass (Black & Yellow PJ)
3. Pro One International, latest TW version, Made in China 50% Graphite 50% Fiberglass (Purple & Red PJ)

Is this correct ? Did I miss any ?

No this is not correct, the black and yellow is 50/50, the TW version is 75/25
will post more later...
 
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If you mean volkl tour v-engine mid, I think matchmaker and Tasmanian Devil talked about ve mid and pro one earlier in this thread.
Maybe they would chime in more, but here's a quote you might be interested.

matchmaker said:
The VE mid is exciting to use in that you can take full cuts at the ball and in that the upper hoop is very interesting to use. It is not at all a dead upper hoop like so many other racquets.

The Donnay just has that tad more power that will allow for a straight winner instead of a just returnable ball.
 
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If you mean volkl tour v-engine mid, I think matchmaker and Tasmanian Devil talked about ve mid and pro one earlier in this thread.
Maybe they would chime in more, but here's a quote you might be interested.

I'll try to add to Match's comment in my own opinion...

V-engine does some things exceptionally well. (For the right player:)
Here are the + nasty slice, volleys, and Big serves(Flat & Slice)

The area that it does not shine on is returns. You have to swing big at everything. If your playing guys that force you to block a serve back...your done!

The pro one is better at returns/power in general as Match said... the only area that the Pro is NOT better than the V is at volleys...IMO

Slice is a toss up ....both are great ...the V seems to be a little nastier than the Pro.

Serves are better with the Pro because I can personally kick the ball higher with the Pro.

Hope this trip down memory lane helps someone...
 
I'll try to add to Match's comment in my own opinion...

V-engine does some things exceptionally well. (For the right player:)
Here are the + nasty slice, volleys, and Big serves(Flat & Slice)

The area that it does not shine on is returns. You have to swing big at everything. If your playing guys that force you to block a serve back...your done!

The pro one is better at returns/power in general as Match said... the only area that the Pro is NOT better than the V is at volleys...IMO

Slice is a toss up ....both are great ...the V seems to be a little nastier than the Pro.

Serves are better with the Pro because I can personally kick the ball higher with the Pro.

Hope this trip down memory lane helps someone...

I guess Tasmanian has read my thoughts.

Volleys, slices and flat serves go to the VE mid.

Returns, groundies, topspin and kick serves go tho the Pro One.

They are both low-powered frames but I think the Pro One has just that little tad of power more to finish off points.

One big difference is also the form of the sweetspot. The Pro One has what I would call a classical sweetspot: fairly centered in the middle of the frame, rather oval with a somewhat wide cross-section. The VE mid has a long, rather narrow sweetspot. Both frames have a sweetspot that is not gigantic at 93 and 95 sq. inch, so that does not make a lot of difference. Technically the VE is a mid and the Pro One a midplus but I actually think that the Pro One plays a lot like a mid in many ways.

The Pro One is IMO a more versatile frame. The VE mid is a great frame but requires a certain technique, not really for every possible player.

My 2 cents, hope this helps.
 
rfprse, Taz and matchmaker - thanks for your posts. i appreciate all and sharing your experiences. may have to pick up one of these.

btw - is the Donnay Pro somewhat similar to the C10?
 
rfprse, Taz and matchmaker - thanks for your posts. i appreciate all and sharing your experiences. may have to pick up one of these.

btw - is the Donnay Pro somewhat similar to the C10?

On that issue I believe chowdhurynaveen should know more. If I am not mistaken he used to play that racquet for a while. It is interesting that you bring up this question because I was wanting to ask it to. Let's see if chowd reacts.
 
I didnt notice any code on my Pro One Int 92, just the "made in belgium" mention ;-). Im pretty worried about my yellow and black Pro One Int 96, the code is TEH and not TFA, do you think Ive got a false Donnay ?:shock:

As I said Earlier there were two companies producing the same model in Taiwan that is the difference in the two codes, copy racquets were not much of a issue back then. The first time I saw Copy racquets was on a trip to Schenzhen in the late 90's.
 
Ok as i promised here some pics from the pro ones available over the years:

This is the first International i know (1992):








This is the 1994 model (notice the green on the hoop, looks like a limited but the limited has purple as this one has green, so TW took a limited model and name it International, just to clarify):





Courtesy of Bud.
 
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This is the 1996 model, all the Internationals have graphite/glassfiber but this is the only one i'm sure it's 50%graph/ 50% glassfiber:





This is a rare one and one of the most beautiful paintjobs IMO, should be the same as the yellow one:



 
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Very nice pics, ericsson. Thanks!

Do you know if Donnay ever made a Pro One Int'l MP with 75% graphite and 25% fiberglass before, just like the TW version? My understanding is that the racquet that TW based their's on was originally made using 50% graphite and 50% fiberglass in the 90's but to make it more suitable for the modern game, TW decided to make it stiffer by reducing the percentage of fiberglass to 25%. So is the TW version unique in this regard (75/25)?

Also, what was the original "Limited Edition", and why is the TW version called both "International" and "Limited Edition"? What did "International" signify in the original ones made in the 90's? Also, do you know when Donnay stopped making these in Belgium, if they ever did? (The grey one in your first pic says "Belgium" on the side of the frame.)

Thanks.
 
Very nice pics, ericsson. Thanks!

Do you know if Donnay ever made a Pro One Int'l MP with 75% graphite and 25% fiberglass before, just like the TW version? My understanding is that the racquet that TW based their's on was originally made using 50% graphite and 50% fiberglass in the 90's but to make it more suitable for the modern game, TW decided to make it stiffer by reducing the percentage of fiberglass to 25%. So is the TW version unique in this regard (75/25)?

Also, what was the original "Limited Edition", and why is the TW version called both "International" and "Limited Edition"? What did "International" signify in the original ones made in the 90's? Also, do you know when Donnay stopped making these in Belgium, if they ever did? (The grey one in your first pic says "Belgium" on the side of the frame.)

Thanks.

BP, i will try to find out your first question, i can't tell for sure right now, although i've played it a long time ago ( sold my old '92 International :-? i always found the 1996 to have more touch, a little softer feeling but like i said it's too long ago. The only thing i'm sure is that the yellow/black one is 50/50 graph/glass cos i had a brochure with all details back then.

Both the International and Limited came out in 1992, the limited always stood for stiffer 100% graphite, ofcourse endorsed by Andre Agassi but there was of course also a supermidsize, here a pic:



This is the last limited edition frame (1996) endorsed by Kenneth Carlsen from Denmark in 1997.


It was somewhere around 1992/93 that they switched production to Taiwan, Headquarters and the big fabrique still in Couvin (Belgium) so some things were still made here, i just cant tell what. I think the first generations were still Made in Belgium, the later ones in Taiwan and China.
By 1994 i think nearly all rackets were made in Taiwan...
Most of my Donnay's Made in Belgium don't have a code, the older ones from Taiwan all indicate a code.
Anyway, like i said many times, International stood for softer feeling/flexy while as limited for stiffer/firmer. Why TW put International on a limited frame is a mystery for me too, they've taken a limited paintjob from 1994 and changed the construction to 75/25, i think that's the reason they named it International.
 
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As I said Earlier there were two companies producing the same model in Taiwan that is the difference in the two codes, copy racquets were not much of a issue back then. The first time I saw Copy racquets was on a trip to Schenzhen in the late 90's.

Ok, it may explain the different code for the same racquet. Thanks.
 
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@ Ericsson : Thanks for all these pics. Do you have the Pro One Intl in all red and grey (the same Leconte used when he beat Sampras in Davis Cup)
 
Thanks for putting up the pics Ericsson. Very insightful indeed.

No problem mate, i just wanne let you guys see Donnay was a real quality company that made some nice sticks over the years...the reason TW choose for Donnay has a reason, glad to read good things about the latest stick.
 
Of the TW Donnays, can anyone tell me how the Midsize compares the the Oversize Pro One? Aside from a larger head size and sweet spot... Do they play similarly, or is it an entirely different experience?
 
I wish TW would change the PJ every year or so. That yellow and black one is the hotness. :p

Well, I prefer the paintjob as it is. Yellow/black would just be another bumblebee. It would be could however to have customized paintjobs to the taste of the buyer.
 
I like the current color scheme but for me, it could look cleaner, better(?) without the lettering of "pro one" on the head.
 
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kabob, rabidcow

I guess there is a consensus about the crappy quality of the grip. Most people replace it with leather. The string tension seems to be at a good mid range at 58 lbs.

I have been playing with PSGD on it but I guess as you suggest a good poly in the mains would be nice. I think next time I string it I am going to try that.

The only reason why I use poly is because I can burn through a set of PSGD in about 1-2 hrs.

If you're going to opt for a poly, from personal experience use as soft of a poly as you can get. The Babolat Pro Hurricane I use is not particularly soft and it was hell on my elbow for awhile before I got used to it.
 
well now some one post pics

of Donnay TW version?
Here you go:

DP1INT-1.JPG


DP1INT-2.JPG




That's exactly what it looks like. :grin:
 
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