The draw will be CRUCIAL at Roland Garros

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I was really hoping for a glimpse of Stanimal on clay, but he has played atrociously and his head seems a million miles away.
 

imonfire

Rookie
Rafa > Nole > Wawa > Thiem

A strong 5-setter between Rafa and Wawa would be my dream final, with me slightly rooting for Rafa but happy with any result :)
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Wawrinka / Andy / Rao Mug on one side

Rafa / Novak / Kyrgios / Thiem / Zverev / Nishikori / Delpo on the other side
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Djokovic > Nadal > Thiem > Zverev > Wawrinka > Djokovic


Heck, give me the power of draw-making and I can make Cuevas end up winning Roland Garros.

Or Goffin :oops::oops::oops:
Novak and Thiem will be in opposite side of Nadal. and this should make RAFA the winner. French will set it up that way....... they know how powerful of fan crazy momentum will be for the tournament,,, when RAFA gets into the final. TV rating will go thru to the moon
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Its time for the annual RG Thiem dream. Let's first set the stage with the possible seeds:
1 Andy Murray 30 GBR 10360
2 Novak Djokovic 30 SRB 6845
3 Stan Wawrinka 32 SUI 5605
4 Rafael Nadal 30 ESP 5195
5 Milos Raonic 26 CAN 4180
6 Dominic Thiem 23 AUT 4035
7 Marin Cilic 28 CRO 3735
8 Kei Nishikori 27 JPN 3470
9 Alexander Zverev 20 GER 2300
10 David Goffin 26 BEL 3055
11 Grigor Dimitrov 26 BUL 2900
12 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 32 FRA 2870
13 Tomas Berdych 31 CZE 2690
14 Jack Sock 24 USA 2370
15 Gael Monfils 30 FRA 2365
16 Lucas Pouille 23 FRA 2330
17 Roberto Bautista Agut 29 ESP 2110
18 Nick Kyrgios 22 AUS 2155
19 Albert Ramos-Vinolas 29 ESP 2145
20 Pablo Carreno Busta 25 ESP 2090
21 John Isner 32 USA 1705
22 Pablo Cuevas 31 URU 1840
23 Ivo Karlovic 38 CRO 1865
24 Richard Gasquet 30 FRA 1605
25 Steve Johnson 27 USA 1610
26 Gilles Muller 34 LUX 1530
27 Sam Querrey 29 USA 1400
28 Fabio Fognini 29 ITA 1270
29 Juan Martin Del Potro 28 ARG 1125
30 David Ferrer 35 ESP 1230
31 Gilles Simon 32 FRA 1210
32 Mischa Zverev 29 GER 1167
33 Paolo Lorenzi 35 ITA 1153
34 Viktor Troicki 31 SRB 1110
35 Feliciano Lopez 35 ESP 1125

Monfils questionable and not in any warmup events either. If he and one other like Tsonga (playing Lyon) drop Kyrgios moves up to 16. Tsonga dropping would get Zverev up to 12.
 
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Meles

Bionic Poster
A Thiem dream:
Nadal Final (knocks out Djokovic)
Stan Wawrinka SF
Andy Murray QF
Berdych R16
Mischa Zverev R32
Maybe Sugita and recently returned Millman for early rounds

Realistic Thiem dream:
Wawrinka Final (knocks out Djokovic)
Murray SF
Nadal QF
Berdych R16
Mischa Zverev R32
Maybe Sugita and recently returned Millman for early rounds

Much like Rome Thiem will be on the ropes in the SF, but somehow prevails over Murray or lesser player. Dream final with Wawrinka where Thiem wins, but ends up taking 3 months off to recover.:confused:

Thiem really needs draw to fall apart.:(
 
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sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic > Nadal > Thiem > Zverev > Wawrinka > Djokovic


Heck, give me the power of draw-making and I can make Cuevas end up winning Roland Garros.

Or Goffin :oops::oops::oops:
Over the last 7-8 years or so, I'm sure at least 50% of the slam results/winners would be different if the draw were different. Of course there have been a few slams where the final winner was so good that he could have come through any draw. But that cannot be said for the rest.
 

ANDYbhGENIUS

Professional
I was really hoping for a glimpse of Stanimal on clay, but he has played atrociously and his head seems a million miles away.
That is a wild exaggeration, and to be honest this is for Wawrinka the perfect way to enter the French under the so called radar, and slowly but surely work his way to title-winning form.

It has worked like this for Stan for years now.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I'll take that. A win for the 1 HBH is always welcome

2 HBH deserves nothing
I just wonder what goes through your head when typing certain stuff? "2hbh deserves nothing". Like what in the world are you talking about? Just so cringe worthy reading your posts.
 

Crionics

Semi-Pro
Nadal has to hope Djokovic, Stan (and maybe Thiem too) end up on the other side of the draw. Djokovic is looking scaringly good again; if he thrashes Zverev today, I have him as a co-favorite for RG along with Nadal.
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
Nadal has to hope Djokovic, Stan (and maybe Thiem too) end up on the other side of the draw. Djokovic is looking scaringly good again; if he thrashes Zverev today, I have him as a co-favorite for RG along with Nadal.
No Thiem is not a big big problem, Rafa has to play well regardless as they could only meet from the QF and further and if Rafa is playing well, he'll handle Thiem. Think Goffin is more likely to pull the Djokovic upset.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Until Madrid/Rome he wasn't playing like one of the best 4.
And really only the last few games against Nadal lets be frank in Madrid.:rolleyes: He rolled an off Thiem just like he rolled Goffin in WTF. We'll know if a few short hours what form Nole has returned as in the Rome final; GOAT, erratic lycanthrope, or some super demon of tennis that has sailed across the adriatic to terrorize the citizens and draw of Rome;

Is Nosferatu among us?
 
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tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I just wonder what goes through your head when typing certain stuff? "2hbh deserves nothing". Like what in the world are you talking about? Just so cringe worthy reading your posts.
Ok, I should have said they deserve the left overs

Who talks about cringe ? The guy with the fake moniker ?? LOL.
 

PeteD

Legend
And really only the last few games against Nadal lets be frank in Madrid.:rolleyes: He rolled an off Thiem just like he rolled Goffin in WTF. We'll know if a few short hours what form Nole has returned as in the Rome final; GOAT, erratic lycanthrope, or some super demon of tennis that has sailed across the adriatic to terrorize the citizens and draw of Rome;
Is Nosferatu among us?
More False innuendo on the boards. Anyone can see this is NOT Novak Djokovic relaxing at home:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Nadal has to hope Djokovic, Stan (and maybe Thiem too) end up on the other side of the draw. Djokovic is looking scaringly good again; if he thrashes Zverev today, I have him as a co-favorite for RG along with Nadal.
:rolleyes:
 

jwjh

Legend
A Thiem dream:
Nadal Final (knocks out Djokovic)
Stan Wawrinka SF
Andy Murray QF
Berdych R16
Mischa Zverev R32
Maybe Sugita and recently returned Millman for early rounds

Realistic Thiem dream:
Wawrinka Final (knocks out Djokovic)
Murray SF
Nadal QF
Berdych R16
Mischa Zverev R32
Maybe Sugita and recently returned Millman for early rounds

Much like Rome Thiem will be on the ropes in the SF, but somehow prevails over Murray or lesser player. Dream final with Wawrinka where Thiem wins, but ends up taking 3 months off to recover.:confused:

Thiem really needs draw to fall apart.:(
I think Thiem can't draw Berdych. He'll get one of seeds 9-12 ( Zverev/Goofin lol/Dimi LOL/Tsonga).

Worst-case for Thiem:
F Rafa
SF Nole
QF Stan
R16 Zverev/Goffin/Tsonga
R32 Querrey/Delpo/Fognini
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal has to hope Djokovic, Stan (and maybe Thiem too) end up on the other side of the draw. Djokovic is looking scaringly good again; if he thrashes Zverev today, I have him as a co-favorite for RG along with Nadal.
I take it Nadal is now your firm favourite as Djoko lost yesterday.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I think Thiem can't draw Berdych. He'll get one of seeds 9-12 ( Zverev/Goofin lol/Dimi LOL/Tsonga).

Worst-case for Thiem:
F Rafa
SF Nole
QF Stan
R16 Zverev/Goffin/Tsonga
R32 Querrey/Delpo/Fognini
Yes. I updated the seeds, but not my post. It looks like its Rafa and a bunch of other contenders with maybe 4 or 5 tied at a weak 2nd place. I've decided not to speculate much before the draw.

For Thiem the servebots would be the worst. Thiem destroyed Fognini the one time they played. R16 blows for Thiem as Dimi would be no picnic either.:eek: A gimpy Goffin might be Thiem's best choice.:confused: He could easily go out R16. Needless to say I want Djokovic in the other half with Stan hehe.:D Rafa QF with Murray SF might be best for Thiem, but really he needs a good draw where the top players drop out to win RG. He might be able to take on Stan or Rafa in a final, but any earlier and the effort would surely gas him like in Rome. I suppose if he somehow took out Nadal in 3 straight sets he could recover, but that is wishful thinking. Frankly after the finish to Rome, I'll be concerned about Thiem's general energy level coming into Rome.:confused:

I still like Grigs a lot and he has an efficient game that makes him a dark horse here. Lets be frank, if Zverev can walk away with Rome anything can happen at RG with the right draw and matches.:D
 

Crionics

Semi-Pro
I take it Nadal is now your firm favourite as Djoko lost yesterday.
Yes I believe Djoko is behind Nadal when it comes to RG. At this moment, Nadal is the favorite to win RG, however I don't consider him to be a lock for a 10th FO, far from it.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Well, that was an if and it didn't happen. Djokovic is still too inconsistent as the Rome final proved, therefore I don't have him as a co-favorite for RG with Nadal.

No need to :rolleyes:
Well I didn't think he was winning the final against Zverev let alone crush him. Impressive feasting by Nole of a weakened Thiem. I'd put about as much stock in that as his mauling of Goffin at WTF last year. Djokovic has the fire now, but he's got a lot of work to do. Rafa feasted on Zverev at Monte Carlo and I believe these head to heads spell trouble for Thiem and Zverev, but I'd still rate them very highly despite those bad matches. We know Rafa is a favorite for RG. We have to see the draw to see the real contenders. The good thing for Djokovic is he can't hit Zverev again until a QF at the earliest with Zverev likely 9th seed at RG.;) The only possible threat I'd see to Djoko early would be Pouille R16 who hits with great depth and can go pretty big on serve. If its fast and dry maybe Querrey R32 would be big trouble.:eek:

Gotta do it; the Djoko doomsday draw:
First two rounds: Struff, Vesely, Opelka, and maybe Edmund combo
R32 Querrey
R16 Pouille
QF Zverev
SF Wawrinka
F Nadal

That would be plenty ugly.:D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Its time to plot the upstart Zverev's doom.:D

Zed loves playing other servebots because he's got the reach and return game to pressure them on return while they have a snowball's chance of breaking him.:eek: I would say speed kills Zverev. A player who can handle Zed's depth and really start moving him with topspin....
Diego fits the bill and he beat early Zed 0 and 1.:eek: Chung has beaten him this year.... Yuichi Sugita has beaten him on hard courts last year.... Basically the smaller and faster the better.
First two rounds: Diego Schwartzman and Chung
R32: Cuevas or Kyrgios would be fun
R16: Nishikori (maybe Thiem)
QF: Murray
SF:Nadal
F: Thiem or Nishikori

That would be rough. The great news for Zverev is he absolutely owns Djokovic and Wawrinka right now, plus all those servebots. Even beat Goffin on clay last year. Zverev will be pretty hard to stop.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
i may not turn on the FO until it gets down to the quarters to be honest.
Wow not me. Its time to come up the denadalization @vive le beau jeu ! approved draw and hope.

The only building block I have is Thiem QF again yes!

R16 for sure


Got it:
Schwartzman and Chung early rounds
R32 Fognini or Querrey
R16 Pouille
QF Thiem
SF Djokassi on fire
F Murray or Wawa (miraculously playing well)

That is a murderer's row for Nadal.


heh @Rafa the King and @clayqueen :D
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
Wow not me. Its time to come up the denadalization @vive le beau jeu ! approved draw and hope.

The only building block I have is Thiem QF again yes!

R16 for sure


Got it:
Schwartzman and Chung early rounds
R32 Fognini or Querrey
R16 Pouille
QF Thiem
SF Djokassi on fire
F Murray or Wawa (miraculously playing well)

That is a murderer's row for Nadal.


heh @Rafa the King and @clayqueen :D
Probably would lose 1 set max until the QF. Thiem-Nole-Stanimal is killing though, if Stan is in the final, he must be playing very well. Wouldn't worry too much about Andy.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Probably would lose 1 set max until the QF. Thiem-Nole-Stanimal is killing though, if Stan is in the final, he must be playing very well. Wouldn't worry too much about Andy.
Its fun to do these. Rafa is the most resistant player in the field to a bad draw by far. Zverev is surprisingly resistant in my eyes (owns servebots, Djoko and Wawa), but would need help with Rafa. My points is this tournament is not a foregone conclusion and even if the draw lines up perfectly for Rafa we still have subsections of the draw where we may learn a lot about the future on clay. I won't be crushed if its Zverev vs Rafa in the final even though their last match was a debacle. Good tournament now given the developments in Rome.:p

I think Murray playing his best at RG this year is a fantasy.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
The great news for Zverev is he absolutely owns Djokovic and Wawrinka right now, plus all those servebots. Zverev will be pretty hard to stop.
Meles, come on... this is insane hyperbole. You're talking as if you actually think Z is going to win the FO. :eek: If you really believe this, please put down money with some British bookies. Z doesn't "own" Djoker in a 3/5 match format, nor does he own him at all. Frankly, I don't think he has the endurance to beat any great player over five sets, if it even goes that long.

I actually don't think Djoker has a chance at the FO, but neither does Z.

Let me ask you this: if Nadal and Z meet at RG, you actually think Z would beat Nadal at RG? What if it goes 3 or 4 hours? There is no way Z has the physicality to hang with Nadal in a long, grueling match at RG, or anywhere else. Z might indeed be a future great champion, but he's not physically strong enough (yet) to hang with the big guns over two weeks.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Meles, come on... this is insane hyperbole. You're talking as if you actually think Z is going to win the FO. :eek: If you really believe this, please put down money with some British bookies. Z doesn't "own" Djoker in a 3/5 match format, nor does he own him at all. Frankly, I don't think he has the endurance to beat any great player over five sets, if it even goes that long.

I actually don't think Djoker has a chance at the FO, but neither does Z.

Let me ask you this: if Nadal and Z meet at RG, you actually think Z would beat Nadal at RG? What if it goes 3 or 4 hours? There is no way Z has the physicality to hang with Nadal in a long, grueling match at RG, or anywhere else. Z might indeed be a future great champion, but he's not physically strong enough (yet) to hang with the big guns over two weeks.
You quoted my post in response to Meles. :)
 
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2HBH-DTL

Guest
Wow not me. Its time to come up the denadalization @vive le beau jeu ! approved draw and hope.

The only building block I have is Thiem QF again yes!

R16 for sure


Got it:
Schwartzman and Chung early rounds
R32 Fognini or Querrey
R16 Pouille
QF Thiem
SF Djokassi on fire
F Murray or Wawa (miraculously playing well)

That is a murderer's row for Nadal.


heh @Rafa the King and @clayqueen :D
All i can think of with that gif is.. ZOMBIE!!!!!
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Meles, come on... this is insane hyperbole. You're talking as if you actually think Z is going to win the FO. :eek: If you really believe this, please put down money with some British bookies. Z doesn't "own" Djoker in a 3/5 match format, nor does he own him at all. Frankly, I don't think he has the endurance to beat any great player over five sets, if it even goes that long.

I actually don't think Djoker has a chance at the FO, but neither does Z.

Let me ask you this: if Nadal and Z meet at RG, you actually think Z would beat Nadal at RG? What if it goes 3 or 4 hours? There is no way Z has the physicality to hang with Nadal in a long, grueling match at RG, or anywhere else. Z might indeed be a future great champion, but he's not physically strong enough (yet) to hang with the big guns over two weeks.
Zverev is not beating Nadal and probably the same can be said of Thiem versus Djokovic, though we may have all been thinking that with Thiem and Nadal after Rafa ran away with Barcelona.;)

You are correct that Zverev does not have his best stamina yet, but he is now a servebot. He's going to get through draws quite efficiently. He's played every week starting in Monte Carlo on clay with two tournament wins. Its wishful thinking that with such an efficient game that he'll have stamina problems.

If you analyze the pool of players for RG their are just few that can beat an in form Zverev on clay. You can imagine that Wawrinka and Djokovic will beat Zverev at RG like many imagined for the Rome final, but they've been beaten pretty decisively by Zed (Wawrinka multiple times now.) You really need a solid first return game to break Zverev when he's playing well and that shortens the list of Zverev concurrers to just to just a few.

BF he's a bot who can return. Isner has taken Nadal fives sets on clay. Imagine Zverev in the years to come with just a far superior ground game. If Zed's serve game numbers keep climbing in the next few years he's going to be very tough on any surface. We'll have to wait and see his draw at RG, but I suspect if Nadal and Murray are in the other half Zverev will do very well.
 

3fees

G.O.A.T.
Murray so far this year has been parboiled, one question is will Murray get it together or check out early ?

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
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