The dreaded EOY Rating thread

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Well, guess now is a good time to start this good/bad/ugly "annual" subject again. Any over/under bets when End of Year Ratings will be out? Here are some sample dates based on history....

28 Nov (The Monday after T-giving) This was when USTA had their stuff together and weren't too too busy worrying about tweaking the ratings. Or

30 Nov The 2 day period of "Fluff" to go through their QA Dept. for "accurate" ratings. Or

1 Dec This date sounds good, it's neither Nov nor the first week of Dec. Or

5 Dec On average as of late this had been the usual date (two Mondays after T-giving).


I did just get a response from my Sectional Coordinator. He said " Nothing official but historically it’s been December 1."
 
Purestriker said:
What do you mean by cutoff?
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Each year the USTA establishes a cut-off date for matches to count for year-end ratings, in effect it is the last day of the rating year. This date is usually the Sunday of the last Adult Nationals, which was 10/30 this year. They then take a month to do all the calculations and review before publishing the first week after Thanksgiving.

Now, I don't think it really takes a month. Instead, I think they give some number of days for matches played on/before the cut-off date to be entered, and that is even perhaps a week or two, and then with Thanksgiving at the end of the month, they really don't want to publish ratings and have to deal with the response/questions right before folks take time off, so they publish the week after.
 
schmke said:
Each year the USTA establishes a cut-off date for matches to count for year-end ratings, in effect it is the last day of the rating year. This date is usually the Sunday of the last Adult Nationals, which was 10/30 this year. They then take a month to do all the calculations and review before publishing the first week after Thanksgiving.

Now, I don't think it really takes a month. Instead, I think they give some number of days for matches played on/before the cut-off date to be entered, and that is even perhaps a week or two, and then with Thanksgiving at the end of the month, they really don't want to publish ratings and have to deal with the response/questions right before folks take time off, so they publish the week after.
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Thank you. Great explanation and it absolutely makes sense to wait until after the holidays. There will be drama.
 
Not too much drama anticipated for me this year. My teammates and I are all solidly 25th-50th percentile 4.0 players. Mostly just wondering whether the "sticky" guys who repeatedly beat us and go like 15-2 every year will finally get bumped out of our lives.
 
cks said:
On this site, most likely.

But at least my captain can at least start making plans for his teams when the league restarts in January. I'm guessing some of us will get bumped up. Right now we are in a holding pattern, until the end year ratings get released.
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Yes, some leagues start right away in January, and in my area at least, we have deadlines to have minimum rosters signed up on teams within a week or less of ratings being published, so it is a little exciting as captains try to forecast who will be at level and find out who they lose or who is available.
 
cks said:
On this site, most likely.

But at least my captain can at least start making plans for his teams when the league restarts in January. I'm guessing some of us will get bumped up. Right now we are in a holding pattern, until the end year ratings get released.
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Locally too. I know for a fact they get a lot of calls from players wanting appeals or demanding to know why they got bumped and player X didn't.
 
Purestriker said:
Thank you. Great explanation and it absolutely makes sense to wait until after the holidays. There will be drama.
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To me, Ratings Day is a holiday. Like Christmas. Specifically, it's like my elderly aunt who buys the me the same sweater every year because she thinks I'd like it, forgetting she gave me the exact same sweater last year. But I live in hope she will give me something different this year.
 
I received an email from my local league coordinator (LCC) this afternoon which has some information on the new end-of-year ratings. I don't think it changes much in the discussions, but I thought I would still share it.

Answers to other popular questions I've been asked this month.

1. The last date for scores to count towards your end of year 2022 rating is Sunday, Nov 13. Any scores entered after this date will count towards your end of year 2023 rating.
2. New ratings should be released December 1, 2022.
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cks said:
I received an email from my local league coordinator (LCC) this afternoon which has some information on the new end-of-year ratings. I don't think it changes much in the discussions, but I thought I would still share it.
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What about scores entered after November 13th, with a match played date before October 30th?? Do they not count for 2022 or 2023 ratings??
 
Is there any 'decay' in USTA rating - ie, if I was bumped to 5.0 in Florida at the end of 2020, played matches at 5.0 in 2021 and unsuccessfully appealed down at the end of 2021, then played zero USTA matches in 2022, is there any chance my computer appeal would be more successful this year? or guaranteed to be just as unsuccessful as a year ago since no new match data?

basically asking because I'm probably not going to waste the money renewing my USTA account if I'm just going to fail another computer appeal and not have many USTA leagues / matches available to play
 
Creighton said:
TR has me in the appeal available rating. I pray to God they're right for once.
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TR has guys who were undefeated at district and sectional postseason as not even a chance of a bump. Not “low chance”, but did not even bother to estimate because they are rated below 0.1 from the next level. Lol. So yeah, TR is rating people way lower than the USTA will, so i would guess unlikely you are in the appeal down range.
 
Creighton said:
TR has me in the appeal available rating. I pray to God they're right for once.
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TR is so bad at ratings. But at least they update more often than TLS. I don’t know who owns that site (on pacific coast) but they are missing out due to the lack of updates.
 
Moveforwardalways said:
TR has guys who were undefeated at district and sectional postseason as not even a chance of a bump. Not “low chance”, but did not even bother to estimate because they are rated below 0.1 from the next level. Lol. So yeah, TR is rating people way lower than the USTA will, so i would guess unlikely you are in the appeal down range.
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While you’re right. I don’t appreciate your negativity.
 
Moveforwardalways said:
TR has guys who were undefeated at district and sectional postseason as not even a chance of a bump. Not “low chance”, but did not even bother to estimate because they are rated below 0.1 from the next level. Lol. So yeah, TR is rating people way lower than the USTA will, so i would guess unlikely you are in the appeal down range.
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Not in every case. There’s a guy on my team who only played 3.0 until fall, has beaten moderate 3.5s in competitive matches, and they have him as a 4.0. That will not happen.
 
Hey folks, question for the group. My Tennis Record page says 4.5C with a green arrow up and “very high” next to it. I’m a 4.5S this season with a 4.48 something dynamic rating. Does that mean a very high chance I’ll be a 4.5C? Or bumped above that? Thanks - fairly ignorant of this process.
 
Creighton said:
Yes.
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You have to **** the bed not to get bumped up or stay the same, in general.

I saw a guy last year stay at 3.5 with an 0-10 record and a games won percentage under 30%.

In addition, it’s virtually impossible to get bumped up without playing up. Someone on my team went 13-1 in 3.0 last year, won 74.8% of their games, and didn’t get bumped up.
 
schmke said:
Yes, some leagues start right away in January, and in my area at least, we have deadlines to have minimum rosters signed up on teams within a week or less of ratings being published, so it is a little exciting as captains try to forecast who will be at level and find out who they lose or who is available.
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If you were a 4.0C and you appeal down to 3.5A, can you get strikes from playing mixed doubles?
 
Stratotanker said:
Hey folks, question for the group. My Tennis Record page says 4.5C with a green arrow up and “very high” next to it. I’m a 4.5S this season with a 4.48 something dynamic rating. Does that mean a very high chance I’ll be a 4.5C? Or bumped above that? Thanks - fairly ignorant of this process.
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How many matches and how close were the scores?
 
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