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AlpineCadet said:
I had a hit with the frames tonight. The SW was definitely light, felt like 320ish to me. And as everyone has said before, it definitely needs some weight. For me, the spin is more intense than with the AG30016x19 for some reason, and my serves were definitely getting A LOT of action. Anyway, it's definitely a player's frame and I can't wait to play again.
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how do you like the flex? (as compared to the i.prestige) Where do you feel the flex or the most flex in the racquet?
 
jcstennis said:
how do you like the flex? (as compared to the i.prestige) Where do you feel the flex or the most flex in the racquet?
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I can feel the flex but I'm not quite sure where it's coming from. It's definitely not as solid as the flex in the i.Prestige though. The only thing that's an upgrade between the two frames is the open pattern and the square grip IMO.
 
This thread has moved me to try an AG200 16 x19 and I have to say that it is a very nice stick. I was looking for something a little lighter than my TI80's. I was a longtime user of the 200GMW, and was not thrilled with the AG200(a little too stiff for me), but with an open string pattern, this frame plays beautifully in stck form and is a great go to racquet for those days my shoulder is sore. On;y problem is that there are no more 4 1/2" grips sizes left.
 
The Dampener said:
Cadet, it sure seems like you've been trying for a very long time to make a relationship with a Dunlop frame work. No luck at all?
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I got grooved in the Radicals/Prestiges for a good year, and my strokes just weren't adjusting well to the Dunlops.
 
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I guess I'm one of the few people who use the 18 x 20. I have them set up as it is in my sig, for me, and my type of game, I think they play wonderfully. I am a former D1 player, eastern forehand, OHBH, all court game. I feel that this weight is just right, and I don't have to do any customizations to the stick. It has just the right mix of spin and plough-through for my type of game.
All in all, I love this stick, and wouldn't trade it for anything.
 
As a AG200 user, i don't know how long i'll be able to resist this one. Can anybody post some negative in here?
 
Does one need to lead up the AG200 16X19, just like the AG100?

Or does the higher swingweight of the AG200 compensate and make the lead-tape unnecessary?
 
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hoodjem said:
Does one need to lead up the AG 16X19, just like the AG100?

Or does the higher swingweight of the AG200 compensate and make the lead-tape unnecessary?
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Definitely needs lead tape. Don't be fooled by the PJ, try hitting with the AG200 16x19 if you can. They're only $79 here on TW.
 
hoodjem said:
Does one need to lead up the AG 16X19, just like the AG100?

Or does the higher swingweight of the AG200 compensate and make the lead-tape unnecessary?
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AlpineCadet said:
Definitely needs lead tape. Don't be fooled by the PJ, try hitting with the AG200 16x19 if you can. They're only $79 here on TW.
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I found the 331 sw of the AG200 18X20 to be too high.

Very curious about the AG200 16X19's sw. TW has it as 326, which would be perfect for me -- maneuverable and has plowthrough.
 
Keifers said:
I found the 331 sw of the AG200 18X20 to be too high.

Very curious about the AG200 16X19's sw. TW has it as 326, which would be perfect for me -- maneuverable and has plowthrough.
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The plow through isn't as great as you would expect for such a SW number. For me, the flex in the frame felt too unstable for such an open pattern, and I struggled to adjust to the frame. The weight distribution IMO is a bit whacky in stock form.

P.S. The day a pro player uses a STOCK AG200 4D 16x19 is the day I forever quit tennis.
 
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I love some yonex frames but found the RDS 001 mp to play very stiff with very low power on a light swinging frame. In other words the 001mp is a recipe for TE in My opnion. I just started using the AG 200 16 x19 a sa back up and found that it swings lighter than the 18 x 20 version, and with a bit of a more open string pattern, it gives me more options regrading spins and touch shots. It is comfortable and I am starting to pull this out of my bag as my main stick now. No wow factor, just a steady eddy frame that plays great in stock form. I like it better than the AG 100 because it has a tad more pop, so I don't need to add lead.
I like it much better than the rds001mp for sure.
 
Got my AG200 16X19 today, and am working through the mods: leather grip, head-tape, lead tape at 3 and 9.

I should get to hit with it this weekend. I can't wait to try out the gut/poly hybrid.
 
Hoodjem, how come you are doing mods before trying it in stock form? One thing I have always liked about Dunlop players frames is that for the most part, they play great in stock form. If you don't play it in stock form, how do you know what you need to modify?
 
i will be adding lead this weekend also... played the USTA spring/summer season with the 4d200 16x19 with just leather grip mod (which played ok that way)... but needs weight added to the hoop (for me)... now the season is over, time to tinker. ;)
 
Alright Sir Basil. Per your suggestion I an going to start out with a mere 4 inches of lead-tape, and see how it swings.
 
What about a 16x18 95sq. in. Aerogel 200 4D Tour, 12.4 oz. unstrung, 8.1pts. headlight, 63RA stiffness, 341SW, 21 mm. straight beam?
A.K.A. Robredo's "option 2c"....sometimes they return...

Hint: darker blue shade...out November '09 in Europe...
 
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Win A Dunlop Ag4d200 Contest!!!

I could have just kept it to myself, but hey... might as well share this...

Dunlop is giving out an AG4D200. Submit a 30sec or less vid... winner gets an AG4D200... 2nd and 3rd place gets Dunlop accesories. Deadline is July 27, 2009.

Here's some submission so far...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_feVyTKy7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVkUKrRi0xI

Here's my entry submitted today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2j9napvTng (made this thing just last night LOL)

Goodluck guys... hope one of the forumers here wins!!!
 
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Not yet :( sales rep showed me, let my try some 2 hours (100/200 Tour/300 Tour) then said see u in september.....maybe he'll give me the demo 300 just before Youth Championship in Paris mid-august...hope so.
 
Sir Basil? I like that but I don't think the wife will go for it! LOL. Played my first full match since my two surgeries today against a hard hitting 4.0. I used the ag 200 16 x 19 with17'psgd at 60#. I did not drop a game in either set. Serves were solid, control was good off the ground on both wings, but the racquet is a lot lighter than what I am used to, so my timing on my 1HBH was off a bit and I felt like I was not hitting a heavy ball.. I would usually add weight to a frame like this but the reason I am going to a lighter frame is to give my shoulder a break. I am going to try some gut or softer 17' gauge string to try to amp up the power level a bit, but otherwise I felt pretty good out there with this frame today.
 
basil J said:
I used the ag 200 16 x 19 with17'psgd at 60#. . . but the racquet is a lot lighter than what I am used to, so my timing on my 1HBH was off a bit . . . I would usually add weight to a frame like this . . .
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Lo and behold, you'd add lead . . . too?
 
So why aren't there more guys buying the 18X20? Especially considering the ridiculous amount of posts complaining about the lack of weight and swingweight in the 16X19?

Any thoughts on the 18X20? I'd be interested in comparisons to the Prestige Mid, if anyone has hit with both.

I'm still on my search for a comfortable frame with a tight string pattern, good weight, and a great feel. So far, I haven't found anything that can match the Prestige Mid.

I do have an Aerogel 4D 200 18X20 coming my way though. I'm looking forward to giving it a shot, though I think it may also be a tad too light...
 
I used the 200GMW without any complaints for years. The AG 200 18 x 20 played much harsher IMO and i gave up on it after 3 months of play. It really irritated my elbow. Only frame to ever do that in my whole playing career.
 
I'm demoing the 18x20 right now and *loving* it. My 1HBH is going to take a little more practice with it and I need to try the 300 and 300T, but the 200's got a great, crisp, stable feel that I just love. The 16x19 sounds interesting, especially since I'm working on generating more topspin on my forehand. What are people stringing them at (my current setup's in my sig)?
 
Anyone adding lead to the handle (in addition to the hoop) on the AG200?

Do you try to keep the 7 points HL?
 
PatrickB said:
I'm demoing the 18x20 right now and *loving* it. My 1HBH is going to take a little more practice with it and I need to try the 300 and 300T, but the 200's got a great, crisp, stable feel that I just love. The 16x19 sounds interesting, especially since I'm working on generating more topspin on my forehand. What are people stringing them at (my current setup's in my sig)?
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Okay, tried the 16x19 in comparison with the 18x20. They're similar in flex, balance, and general feel (both as comfortable as my O3 white but crisper with better feel), but the 16x19 is noticeably lighter. I had a harder time controlling the 16x19, it wasn't as stable, and it was harder to consistently hit through the ball on serves and groundstrokes. I'll be sticking with the 18x20 and ordering a few in the next couple of days.
 
Couple of questions for those in the know. Today I pulled down a ag200d from the self and put it up against the 300d 16x19. I'd almost swear that the 200 had a slightly larger head size. It is noticeably wider in the lower center of the hoop and seems more conducive to a topspin stroke than the 300. When I realized there is a 16x19 version at 11.5oz strung available, it made me consider yet another candidate for my new racquet. Is the 16x19 200d the same shape as the 18x20 200d?

I'm currently demoing the 300d 16x19 and I'd like to hear comparisons between that and the 200d 16x19. Just to let you know my perspective, I consider the 300 to be incredibly stable for its weight and I like it in stock form. If you could keep comments on power, comfort, spin etc. relative to these two racquets, I'd appreciate it.

A couple of side notes; I'm coming from a Volkl t10mp so the slightly lighter weight of the 200d is a step in right direction since I'm looking for something easier to swing late in the match. Also, just looking at specs, the 200d looks like it should have more power than the 300d. Anyone find that the case.

Thanks for the info. I've enjoyed reading your comments as well as those in the "300 club".
 
dParis said:
Couple of questions for those in the know. Today I pulled down a ag200d from the self and put it up against the 300d 16x19. I'd almost swear that the 200 had a slightly larger head size. It is noticeably wider in the lower center of the hoop and seems more conducive to a topspin stroke than the 300. When I realized there is a 16x19 version at 11.5oz strung available, it made me consider yet another candidate for my new racquet. Is the 16x19 200d the same shape as the 18x20 200d?

I'm currently demoing the 300d 16x19 and I'd like to hear comparisons between that and the 200d 16x19. Just to let you know my perspective, I consider the 300 to be incredibly stable for its weight and I like it in stock form. If you could keep comments on power, comfort, spin etc. relative to these two racquets, I'd appreciate it.

A couple of side notes; I'm coming from a Volkl t10mp so the slightly lighter weight of the 200d is a step in right direction since I'm looking for something easier to swing late in the match. Also, just looking at specs, the 200d looks like it should have more power than the 300d. Anyone find that the case.

Thanks for the info. I've enjoyed reading your comments as well as those in the "300 club".
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I've demoed the 4d300 16x19 and 4d200 16x19 side by side. The head of the 200 didn't seem larger to me. They were about the same size. If anything, the 300 was slightly larger, but the difference was minimal.

I think both rackets are very nice. The 300 felt lighter, and easier to generate some racketspeed. I got some good topspin on both my forehand and one handed backhand.
When I switched to the 200, I liked the feel of the 200 much better. It made the 300 feel a little hollow, and I thought it to be more comfortable than the 300. The sweetspot seemed smaller, but hitting it was much more rewarding than with the 300, and I actually had less mishits than using the 300. Serve and volleys were easier with the 200 as well.
I also demoed the kblade 98, which I thought quite similar to the 300.

Couple of days later, I leaded the 300 to resemble the weight, balance and SW of the 200, but it still didn't feel as nice.

On power, I guess the 200 is a little more powerfull in stock form, probably because the weight and/or SW. It seems to generate a much heavier ball. When you put some lead on the 300, the 300 is definitely more powerful than the 200.

All in all, I liked both rackets a lot. The 300 is easier to swing and gives some more spin because of that, but feels too light. The 200 is heavier, and requires some more concentration to keep hitting the sweetspot, but hitting it feels much nicer than the 300. And I like the blue and white paintjob of the 200 much better than the 300.
 
^Yeah, sure. The 300 has a slimmer head, but extends lower than the 200. The 200 looks rounder, and less like a Yonex head.
 
That's interesting to hear, because the difference in width of my demoes was definitely no more than a few mm, if any. Though I did notice the (small) difference in length, as the widest part of the 200 and the widest part of the 300 didn't line up.
So maybe there is a difference between the 16x19 and 18x20 after all? Same mold, different deformation because of the different string pattern? Or the crosses in one of my demoes had a higher/lower tension than the mains, causing the head to become narrower/wider.

If you lay the images from the Dunlop website on top of eachother, there is a difference in width. But that could also be the result of some very poor photography.
 
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