+++++ The Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200 User's Group +++++

It feels very solid, but not stiff. It basically is like hitting with a solid piece of graphite. If you can hit the sweet spot consistently it is incredibly rewarding.
 
How stiff/firm does the 4D AG200 feel?

Closest racquet to player's frames of the 80's/90's on the market. Imagine the thin beam, nice swingweight of the Wilson PS/Fed frames but with a friendlier flex and a larger sweetspot. Firm is the more accurate description...it's not gonna be pushed around by a heavy hitter.
 
I'm really enjoying a random hybrid setup I tried.. Gamma Professional 17g mains/ Lux M2 Pro crosses strung at 56/56. I'm impressed with Gamma professional. I'm thinking of using it as an alternative to gut in the summer. I had good results with he first batches of Gaucho Gut I ordered with the YT Rad Pro but the quality dropped off the second batch I ordered. I want to try Klip 17 uncoated but it's backordered on TW. I'm also thinking about Pro Supex Maxim Touch 17 for the crosses, definitely more cost-effective than Professional. I have found every Lux string I played with to be ridiculously stiff so I'm shocked that I'm liking the M2. I've been forcing myself to "hit out" and really go after shots the past week so the M2 is responding.
 
I'm really enjoying a random hybrid setup I tried.. Gamma Professional 17g mains/ Lux M2 Pro crosses strung at 56/56. I'm impressed with Gamma professional. I'm thinking of using it as an alternative to gut in the summer. I had good results with he first batches of Gaucho Gut I ordered with the YT Rad Pro but the quality dropped off the second batch I ordered. I want to try Klip 17 uncoated but it's backordered on TW. I'm also thinking about Pro Supex Maxim Touch 17 for the crosses, definitely more cost-effective than Professional. I have found every Lux string I played with to be ridiculously stiff so I'm shocked that I'm liking the M2. I've been forcing myself to "hit out" and really go after shots the past week so the M2 is responding.

M2 is the only "soft" Lux string there is. Maxim Touch is a great string to soften up a poly. I have it now in my BLX95's in a full bed and its very soft feeling string.
 
Was wondering if any loyal 4D 200 users tried out the BLX95 18x20? Did you switch or did you still prefer your Dunlop. They are kind of similar in specs. I played the 200 briefly, but for some reason it gave me a little elbow pain. The weird thing is the BLX, which is rated higher in stiffness (67-62) doesn't bother me. Just shows how you can't just go by numbers all the time.
 
No, I'm done trying out sticks personally. I think the Wilson would have more power then I want anyway. The beam is 22, and personally, I prefer 20mm or below. I don't know why the 4d would give anyone elbow pain. It must be the strings..if you use multi in the 4d, it actually is not that comfortable. As for sticks, there is really no point for me to try out anything else. I need to focus on my game and start concentrating on beating people.

The BAM/Stamina hybrid is still the best I have ever used. It is tennis nirvana for me. I am extremely happy with my entire setup right now, which is a first.
 
I don't know why the 4d would give anyone elbow pain. It must be the strings..if you use multi in the 4d, it actually is not that comfortable.

I dont know either. Could have been caused by something else, but there are actually some reports in the comments on TW and also in threads on these boards about some people thinking the 200 was too stiff or gave them some TE.

Why wouldn't a multi be comfortable in the 4D? Other than gut, a multi is the most comfortable string.
 
Was wondering if any loyal 4D 200 users tried out the BLX95 18x20? Did you switch or did you still prefer your Dunlop. They are kind of similar in specs. I played the 200 briefly, but for some reason it gave me a little elbow pain. The weird thing is the BLX, which is rated higher in stiffness (67-62) doesn't bother me. Just shows how you can't just go by numbers all the time.

JackB1-

The BLX95?? I thought you switched to a Becker frame. Leave the thread for a few days and you've gone got a new frame. I think you're a "racquet-izer" (tennis equivalent of a womanizer). You get all these frames thinking they're THE ONE and then you move another in :razz:.

I have been tempted by a few Wilson's but the several times I have hit with my buddies Pro Staff have not impressed. If had to play the entire match just blocking balls back the PS would be my weapon but I just don't like the flex the Wilson's have. Last one I tried my brother traded me his nCode90 for a Tfight 320. The Wilson grip doesn't feel right coming from a longtime Head user.

What similarities do you see between the 4D and the BLX95 ??
 
JackB1-

The BLX95?? I thought you switched to a Becker frame. Leave the thread for a few days and you've gone got a new frame. I think you're a "racquet-izer" (tennis equivalent of a womanizer). You get all these frames thinking they're THE ONE and then you move another in :razz:.

I have been tempted by a few Wilson's but the several times I have hit with my buddies Pro Staff have not impressed. If had to play the entire match just blocking balls back the PS would be my weapon but I just don't like the flex the Wilson's have. Last one I tried my brother traded me his nCode90 for a Tfight 320. The Wilson grip doesn't feel right coming from a longtime Head user.

What similarities do you see between the 4D and the BLX95 ??

Hey Orion. I did switch to the Becker 11 MP and thought that was going to be "it", but I tried a BLX95 18x20 for kicks and really liked how it felt...firm but not stiff, if that makes sense. I tried it out and served with it like I had never before in my life. It would have been foolish not to switch to it. I subsequently won a singles match where my opponent commented on my serve and this was all new to me :) Was it the racquet or my lessons/technique kicking in finally? Who know....but I have been playing great with the BLX ever since. My ONLY concern (there's always something - s*igh*) is the BLX's stiffness (67). I have aways stuck to flexible sticks in the 58-62 range, so I had a little concern going in with the BLX. In the last few days I have felt some random twitches of pain in my elbow and I don't know if it's the racquet or not. I have to wait some more and see. I really want to keep the BLX, so I am not going to jump ship too soon, but if I can't handle the BLX, I will for sure be going back to either the Rebel or the BB11 MP.

I also LOVED the AG4D 200, but just liked the Rebel and the BB11 a tiny bit more, but I would be fine with any of those 3 if the BLX proves to be too stiff. Good to hear from you Orion!
 
New Stick

Got my new Dunlop Aerogel 200 Tour 16x18 with 4 5/8. I checked the weight on my grams scale it came up 13.1. That's much heavier compared to the unstrung weight 12.3 listed on TW? I only have two overwraps( 5 1/8) on it plus a damper and big banger rough on the mains and 15g natural gut on the cross. This is the same weight on my Yonex Pro RD 70 long 95 with 15g nylon with alot of string savers, damper and two overwraps. Anyone have the new tour 16x18 I see most of you have the 18x20 or the 16x19 euro stick. Gong to hit some balls tomorrow but it feels even nicer than my muscle weave 12.2.
 
I wish they would just do the regular model with the 16x18 pattern. I need to swap from my K95's to something easier on the arm but I just can't see anything which crushes the ball like them

I can't be swinging a 352 SW, 340 on the wilson pushes it to the max for me
 
I wish they would just do the regular model with the 16x18 pattern. I need to swap from my K95's to something easier on the arm but I just can't see anything which crushes the ball like them

I can't be swinging a 352 SW, 340 on the wilson pushes it to the max for me

They do make a 4D 200 in 16x18 or 16x19. It's the Euro model, not to be confused with the Tour. TW doesn't carry it but several competitors stock it.

Have you tried the 18x20 4D? It's more than capable of generating good spin.
 
I wish they would just do the regular model with the 16x18 pattern. I need to swap from my K95's to something easier on the arm but I just can't see anything which crushes the ball like them

I can't be swinging a 352 SW, 340 on the wilson pushes it to the max for me

Have you tried the new BLX95 16x18? It's MUCH easier on the arm than the K95. That Basalt stuff really works.
 
Thats what I thought and someone told me they were nothing alike. I thought they were very alike in both power and feel.

I still think the BLX95 (18x20) and 4D 200 (18x20) are similar but with differences. Alike in the headsize and shape and stringpattern. Power and spin were not exactly the same but close. I would give the slight edge in control and comfort to the 4D200. Btw the BLX was strung with Hollow Core and the 4D 200 with Addiction so that could have bearing. FWIW I like the Dunlops thinner beam and I like the Basalt feel esp in the BLX90. Cheers!
 
Got my new Dunlop Aerogel 200 Tour 16x18 with 4 5/8. I checked the weight on my grams scale it came up 13.1. That's much heavier compared to the unstrung weight 12.3 listed on TW? I only have two overwraps( 5 1/8) on it plus a damper and big banger rough on the mains and 15g natural gut on the cross. This is the same weight on my Yonex Pro RD 70 long 95 with 15g nylon with alot of string savers, damper and two overwraps. Anyone have the new tour 16x18 I see most of you have the 18x20 or the 16x19 euro stick. Gong to hit some balls tomorrow but it feels even nicer than my muscle weave 12.2.

FastFreddy that avatar of yours is really distracting lol :shock:
If she's ur gf, I hate you; and what is she doing? nevermind off topic.

Some have said the Lux BB is a heavier string and I think TW averages sticks in a 3 grip size so maybe thats why urs is heavier. I'm adjusting quite nicely with my slightly heavier stick, hopefully you'll have no problems with yours as well.
 
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FastFreddy that avatar of yours is really distracting lol :shock:
If she's ur gf, I hate you; and what is she doing? nevermind off topic.

Some have said the Lux BB is a heavier string and I think TW averages sticks in a 3 grip size so maybe thats why urs is heavier. I'm adjusting quite nicely with my slightly heavier stick, hopefully you'll have no problems with yours as well.

That's Anna kournikova checking out her new brazilian wax job. You might hate me since my girl is just as hot. I think Lux strings are heavier than 15g nylon with all the carbon and metal. When you string a racquet it's like piano wire. Weight should not be a problem since I used the same weight on my Yonex pro rd 70 long 95inch for 10 years. I tried a k Wilson k 90 and hated it I have long loopy swing and could not get around with that stick. Then again I never liked Wilson racquets I liked Prince POG 90, 110, and 100 longbody.
 
Stick

They do make a 4D 200 in 16x18 or 16x19. It's the Euro model, not to be confused with the Tour. TW doesn't carry it but several competitors stock it.

Have you tried the 18x20 4D? It's more than capable of generating good spin.

I believe the aerogel 4D 200 only comes in 18x20 or euro 16x19 and the tour is 16x18.
 
That's Anna kournikova checking out her new brazilian wax job. You might hate me since my girl is just as hot. I think Lux strings are heavier than 15g nylon with all the carbon and metal. When you string a racquet it's like piano wire. Weight should not be a problem since I used the same weight on my Yonex pro rd 70 long 95inch for 10 years. I tried a k Wilson k 90 and hated it I have long loopy swing and could not get around with that stick. Then again I never liked Wilson racquets I liked Prince POG 90, 110, and 100 longbody.

You indeed are a lucky man ;)
Those Alu (aluminum) fibers are the reason. I too did not feel comfortable with the K90 and actually hit better with the KPS88. I also used the POG mid for several yrs, and altho I didn't hate the PS85, the POG just gave me more spin n pop. But I guess the point is WE can play heavier stix (>12oz). I was just under the impression you wanted a slightly lighter 4D200Tour. For sure u will know after some quality time with it. But yeah I suppose based on what you've used, there shouldnt be major adjustments needed. I did demo the 4d200 18x20 and it wasnt heavy at all for me. Cheers!
 
Sticks

You indeed are a lucky man ;)
Those Alu (aluminum) fibers are the reason. I too did not feel comfortable with the K90 and actually hit better with the KPS88. I also used the POG mid for several yrs, and altho I didn't hate the PS85, the POG just gave me more spin n pop. But I guess the point is WE can play heavier stix (>12oz). I was just under the impression you wanted a slightly lighter 4D200Tour. For sure u will know after some quality time with it. But yeah I suppose based on what you've used, there shouldnt be major adjustments needed. I did demo the 4d200 18x20 and it wasnt heavy at all for me. Cheers!

Thanks, I am very lucky!!

I guess I should not say I hate the k90 but it does not match my style of strokes. The POG longbody was lighter than my Yonex pro rd 70 long 95 13.1. I liked the Pog 90 better than the 110 Pog. I never hit with the kps 88 but I hit with pete's racquet back in the 90's and did not like it. I like the Dunlop muscle weave but it's a little light 12.2 but I hit with alot of topspin so the 18x20 is just ok for me. I like a more open pattern 16x19 or the new 16x18 on the tour. I am so happy with the weight of the tour with big banger 13.1 and the 16x18. It should be perfect for me. I wish they made it one inch longer than it would be just like my Yonex pro rd 70 long 95 inch. What are you using and what racquets have you had?
 
FastFreddy: The stick I've used the most is the POG mid, last two yrs been playing more and been playing an i.Radical MP. As I've gotten back to my old form again been demoing for a heavier one and since Feb. very pleased with my Volkl PB10 MP.

My demo with the 4D 200 (18x20) was very good. Fun stick to hit with, it is very stable and comfortable. My one gripe with it was that it is a bit too dampened for me (i like a rawer, crisper feel if that makes sense). You've hit the POG mid so you probably understand the responsiveness and bite that I like.
 
If the Dunlop feels dampened, it is the strings fault many times. My current setup (in sig) gives it a feel like a more solid PT 630 or a Prestige Pro. Granted those sticks are still muted, but there is now a crispness and crack that I did not have before.

I have been using it for about 7 hours now and it continues to feel incredibly crisp with loud feedback. But I have hit with multis and full polys on the 4D and it does feel pretty muted.
 
With a thinner poly it indeed could have played much better for me. The demo had Addiction 16g (multi) which is not a bad string but probably doesnt feel like a poly/co-poly.
 
Demo

FastFreddy: The stick I've used the most is the POG mid, last two yrs been playing more and been playing an i.Radical MP. As I've gotten back to my old form again been demoing for a heavier one and since Feb. very pleased with my Volkl PB10 MP.

My demo with the 4D 200 (18x20) was very good. Fun stick to hit with, it is very stable and comfortable. My one gripe with it was that it is a bit too dampened for me (i like a rawer, crisper feel if that makes sense). You've hit the POG mid so you probably understand the responsiveness and bite that I like.

I rather buy a racuet and take a shot. With a demo it's 4 3/8 grip I use 5/8 with two grip tape so that's just over 5 inch plus the weight is different. Plus the demo comes with whatever string and tension. To get a true feel you need to demo the same grip size, weight, string and most important string tension. I tried about a dozen demos and really didn't get a real feel so a racquet. Plus most demo's are for a week. You really need to give a racquet a good month to see if it works for you. Try some different strings and tension's.
 
Have you tried the 18x20 4D? It's more than capable of generating good spin.

string pattern doesn't bother me that much, use a thinner string at a lower tension to make up. I just think its weird how they make a (hard to get) 16x19 which isn't much beefier than the 300 and a 16x18 with a SW to suit someone built like arnie! why not just do a 16x18 and 18x20 like the wilson 95?
 
string pattern doesn't bother me that much, use a thinner string at a lower tension to make up. I just think its weird how they make a (hard to get) 16x19 which isn't much beefier than the 300 and a 16x18 with a SW to suit someone built like arnie! why not just do a 16x18 and 18x20 like the wilson 95?

I've been tempted by the Tour but am pretty grooved stroking the 18x20 and am afraid to mess with anything with the weather starting to break. My wrist was screwed up last summer and it feels so good to hit and not feel and pain. I'm looking forward to this season...I'm moving good, striking the ball well and
am still in love with the 4D!!!

I was in an Adidas outlet over the wekend and saw the Barricade Tour racquet for $139. It dry swung pretty good. I was surprised by the heft. I couldn't bring myself to do it. My 4D woulda been pretty pissed. :x
 
New Stick

I must say I like my new Dunlop 200 aerogel tour 16x18 better than my muscle weave18x20. I really like the extra weight13.1 compared to 12.2. The prce is great at TW only 159.00!! I have lux aul rough in the mains on my muscle weave and big banger rough on the tour in the mains. Both have natural gut 15g in the cross. I kinda got use to the sound and dead feel on the lux alu rough. The big bangwr rough feels like prince syn gut more ping and rebound. I wish they made this racquet one inch longer. My fav racquet is Yonex pro rd-70 long 95, this is my 2nd fav of all time. This is my 6th model of Dunlop I had the black max cadet, black max, mac 200g, muscle weave and the one before than almost the same.
 
Reviving the thread, just wanted to throw this out there....

I hit on the ball machine today for about 45 minutes. On my way out the door I grabbed a POG OS that I haven't hit with in close to three years save a few save a few 5 minute stints where I put it down after just not feeling anything with it. Today was TOTALLY different. The POG has a three year old ALU BB/VS @ 58 stringjob. I was expecting the three year old string job to have no feel but it was "hitable". The mains were all over the stringbed, especially the middle four. In spite of this the POG felt .....wonderful.

I routinely switched between the POG and the 4D 200, expecting to lean towards the 4D 200, I could feel the extra pop and heavier ball I was getting from the OS frame of the POG. The 4D had alot more control and I could feel considerably lighter. The head of the 4D came around easier, especially on serves. I had to modify my service motion to serve with the POG I know the POG is much stiffer than the 4D 200. I was expecting another 5 min stint but it felt so solid. Granted I've been trying to get a 30 min workout in 3-4 days a week and I was amped to be hitting because I haven't played since Saturday. In the past, the POG was just letting me swing it until I got tired. It's a frame I never felt I was in full control of. That being said I'm a better overall player now than I was 15-20 years ago, despite the physical drop-off.

The consensus feeling in the thread is that the 4D 200 is one of those frames that forces your stroke to be grooved in order to exploit it's potential. Playing with the 4D 200 has grooved my strokes to the point that hitting with a heavy, OS, open pattern frame felt enjoyable. I'm tempted to re-string a POG and play with it today. I'm sure I'll pull the 4D from the bag after the first time my serve gets broken LOL.

Has anyone else picked up an old flame...I mean frame...and played better with it after playing with the 4D 200?? Just curious. Putting the POG on the stringer now..
 
string/tension for power?

AG 4D 200 wielders!

Okay. I own 1 of these frames but only had maybe 3 or 4 outings with it. Anyhow, I think it's time I restrung it and took another look before I decide what to do with it.

My thoughts as I recall were highly positive... not quite as solid as I thought it would be maybe, but my main downer was I found it just a bit lacking oomph off the 2hbh side and the serve. Therefore, I'm after a power boost here re string/tension.

It was strung with Alu Power/NRG2 @ 60/58...

Any recommendations that keep in mind string durability and power/spin/comfort gratefully received... btw for reference, I like soft polys but have been thinking to leave polys behind for more arm-friendly options as the er warning signs have been posted so to speak.

Thanks,

R.
 
This racquet is great at high tension too though. Personally I believe that it is at it's sweet spot between 57 and 62#s. The power will develop from playing with the racquet and having good form.

You need to give the 4d some time and you will see your power level go up. The first few weeks I hit with lower power, but my accuracy was a lot better. I am about 5 months in with the 4d and my power is the highest it has ever been with any racquet and I string a hybrid around 60#s.
 
AG 4D 200 wielders!

Okay. I own 1 of these frames but only had maybe 3 or 4 outings with it. Anyhow, I think it's time I restrung it and took another look before I decide what to do with it.

My thoughts as I recall were highly positive... not quite as solid as I thought it would be maybe, but my main downer was I found it just a bit lacking oomph off the 2hbh side and the serve. Therefore, I'm after a power boost here re string/tension.

It was strung with Alu Power/NRG2 @ 60/58...

Any recommendations that keep in mind string durability and power/spin/comfort gratefully received... btw for reference, I like soft polys but have been thinking to leave polys behind for more arm-friendly options as the er warning signs have been posted so to speak.

Thanks,

R.

Ross.....just try a full multi at around 55-57. Wilson's new Hollow Core Pro has TONS of power and is very soft. or you could try full NRG2 17g.
 
how to string 18x20

Hey guys, Where do I start stringing on my new 4d 200?? I'm currently stringing my K90(16x19), but I know I have to string differently..any advice???....Thanks, Mark
 
Hey guys, Where do I start stringing on my new 4d 200?? I'm currently stringing my K90(16x19), but I know I have to string differently..any advice???....Thanks, Mark

Here's the stringing pattern for the 4D 200:

1PC length: 38'
SS: 10'
2PC length: 20'x18'
Tension: 55-65lbs
Pattern: 18 x 20
Start Mains: H
Mains Skip: 9T & 8H, 10H
Tie Off Mains: 7T

1PC X: -
StartX: 9T
Last X: 8H

2PC X:
StartX: 8H
Last X: 9T
Tie Off: 5H, 6T
 
I just tried Klip 17g mains and Recoil crosses at 55/57. Recoil is a funny string it moves around alot then it settles in and stats put after about an hour. I had good action and pop on my serve but groundstrokes lacked spin. Dwell time with the string was good. I was intending to put BlackMagic in the crosses but thought back to good feel I got with Gaucho Gut and Recoil crosses. The Klip felt hard and slick to for a gut. It really took me off guard.

I think NRG2 played better in the mains. I think I'm going to take the plunge on some more Gaucho Gut in few weeks
 
I think I might be back to the AG 4D 200. I tried it briefly about 3 months ago, but never gave it a real chance. I have been hitting with the 300 Tour recently, but I think the 200 is better in just about every respect. I have them both at the same static weight (348g) but the 200 feels slightly heavier because it is 6 pts HL vs 8 for the 300T. The 200 has more plowthru and also more power and a larger friendlier sweetspot. Seems like the 300T has more "deadspots" or I hit them more often. The only thing better about the 300Tour is that it a bit "whippier" which allows me a little more swingspeed and easier wrist snap on serve.

Anyone else compare the 200 with the 300 Tour?
 
Couldn't agree more with you Jack, i also gave up on my 300 Tours.

Quick history: I have played with the original AG200 for about 2 seasons and i really loved them. At 350g, 7 pts HL, they were really, really solid on ground strokes and the directional control is unmatched when hitting hard, flat drives. While ground strokes were better than ever, i then realize that the weight of these babies where part of the cause to my awful volleying and uncontrollable slice. They were too sluggish to get quickly in position for high volleys and clean smashes. And then the 300 Tour came out and it seemed like the perfect compromise; it looked like a slightly lighter AG200, an Aerogel 250.

I really like the 300 Tours: they felt great in my hands and they had the expected benefits on my game... I was suddenly a decent volley-er, my slice was great on both sides and i also served great. However, i couldn't never tame the sweet spot on ground strokes. I don't know if it's too small, misplaced or whatever but most of my hitting sessions were very frustrating because i was hitting those "dead zones" 75% of the time accompanied with the awful "shank feeling".

I recently got my first job as a teaching pro and i can now hit with the ball machine whenever i want. I play tested extensively these past weeks and my feelings were confirmed. You summed them up pretty well: "The 200 has more plowthru and also more power and a larger friendlier sweetspot. Seems like the 300T has more "deadspots" or I hit them more often. The only thing better about the 300Tour is that it a bit "whippier" which allows me a little more swingspeed and easier wrist snap on serve."

On a side note, i also tested my old beaten up M-Fil 200s 16x19 (customized) which are the same mold as the 300 Tour. I LOVED these and they'll be my main sticks for now until i can't resist and buy some YTK Prestiges because of this damn forum :P
 
On a side note, i also tested my old beaten up M-Fil 200s 16x19 (customized) which are the same mold as the 300 Tour. I LOVED these and they'll be my main sticks for now until i can't resist and buy some YTK Prestiges because of this damn forum :P

So u like the MFil 200's over the 4D200s?

I also tried the YTK Prestige, but didn't care for it. I also don't like the Head handles.
 
Hi guys

Count me in, I just bought a 4d200 18x20.
Strung with Focus hex 1.24 @ 59.
Gonna get that tension up 3 to 4 lbs on the next string job.

Best racket I've tried for groundies by far. At the baseline I'm just so in love with that racket.
Played for 2 hours yesterday, unfortunately I couldn't get dialed in on the serve. I've had trouble serving with it when I demoed it, but usually I can get somewhat decent results within the first 2 hours of playing. Not with the 4d200. I just couldn't get into the groove. I was early on some my serves, on some I was late. I've tried hitting flatter servers, or more spinny or with a lot of kick, but I kept pulling doubles which Ive never experienced with a racket so far.

I'll keep trying for a few weeks, but if it stays that bad I'm gonna have to move on to the Wilson BLX 18x20 which I tried before I bought the Dunlop. The Dunlop excels on groundstrokes in the control/feel department by far, but with the Wilson at least I could get some serves in and groundies were good as well.
 
Atrowurst, you have the tension pretty high. It is better at 50-52#s if you go full poly. The racquet does not have a lot of power at all.
 
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