The fighting spirit of Federer is underrated

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
People never mention that he has incredible fight, he doesn't give up when the chips are down. Remember all the 5 setters he's had in slams? Invariably in the times he lost he loses to the other atgs.

I know people seem to get triggered talking about age but he isn't supposed to be winning matches let alone be relevant in tennis, same goes for Serena.
 

1HBHFTW

Rookie
I admit he really surprised me today. There were several points in the 3rd set where I thought he was finished, and then again at one point in the fourth. He was gassed but managed to outlast a young gun in a grueling match. We’ll see if he has any gas left for berretini.
 

socallefty

Legend
Federer fights hard and wins against lower ranked players when he is behind, but he hasn’t won too many close matches against his two main rivals for more than ten years - the 2017AO final was a notable exception. That has tarnished his reputation for being a fighter and taken away from the credit he deserves for winning a lot of five-set matches over the years. I think he is a great fighter and loses close matches usually against only players he doesn’t have the confidence that he is better than - typically Nadal on clay and Djokovic everywhere except the fastest hard courts.
 

Milehigh5280

Professional
You don't have the success that Fed has had without being a highly competitive person and a fighter. His mentality doesn't get enough credit because he has lost many memorable close matches, but I don't see how anyone can watch how he used to crush his opponents during his peak or the way he battled through AO 17 for example and say he's not a fighter.

I'm realizing more and more that the thing that separates the Big 3 and everyone else the most isn't skill or athleticism, but mentality
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
People never mention that he has incredible fight, he doesn't give up when the chips are down. Remember all the 5 setters he's had in slams? Invariably in the times he lost he loses to the other atgs.

I know people seem to get triggered talking about age but he isn't supposed to be winning matches let alone be relevant in tennis, same goes for Serena.
Respect. Fed shut my mouth up yesterday.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
I agree. And now just imagine for a moment Federer gets destroyed by Djokovic later on. Then all those H2H fetishists would claim it would have been better for him to lose to Keopfer before. :-D
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Federer fights hard and wins against lower ranked players when he is behind, but he hasn’t won too many close matches against his two main rivals for more than ten years - the 2017AO final was a notable exception. That has tarnished his reputation for being a fighter and taken away from the credit he deserves for winning a lot of five-set matches over the years. I think he is a great fighter and loses close matches usually against only players he doesn’t have the confidence that he is better than - typically Nadal on clay and Djokovic everywhere except the fastest hard courts.
prime to prime Fed beats Djokovic everywhere except on slow HC.
Just that Djokovic has been very very lucky with fed ageing.
 
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Deleted member 771911

Guest
I don’t know that it is. Federer has more fans than any tennis player right now. I think all of them would think he has great fighting spirit.
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
Federer now wants to withdraw. This is very selfish. He knows he won't win, but Egorerer wanted to stay relevant.
 
Lolsssss , where will Novak and Rafa be at 40? At least Federer doesn’t act like he had a career wrecking injury and then went on to play even better like a certain Serbian did
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I phrased it stupidly, but whatever.

I think people very often equate clutch/being good under pressure with not really giving up, not losing in straight sets, hangin in there, etc. I think they're different.
the two terms you are looking for:
a) clutch ability/playing well on big points
b) fighting spirit

both combined make up mental strength
 

ND-13

Hall of Fame
In simple terms, not dropping level under pressure (resisting unclutch) =! raising level under pressure (being clutch).
I am not sure we can make clear distinction when there are different styles of playing.

Roger always looks to attack, hence can be mistake prone.

Novak goes to lockdown defense- wait for opponent to make mistakes on big points. His impenetrable defense and elastic movement comes in handy.

I am not sure you can differentiate fighting spirit, mental toughness and clutchness .
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
Each of Roger's matches took an hour longer:
Rd1 Istomin 1hr 33min
Rd2 Cilic 2hrs 35 min
Rd3 Koepfer 3hrs 35 min
 
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