The first graphite racket won Grand Slam?

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  1. BlackAces

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    I only know Brian Teacher won Australian Open in 1980 by the Pro-Kennex Black Ace which contains 100% graphite fibers. Perhaps there existed other much more earlier graphite rackets won Grand Slams ? Wonder to know about it.
     
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    I believe you are correct. The next one on the men’s side must have been Mats Wilander at Roland Garros 1982, with the Rossignol F200 Carbon. On the women’s side, was it Martina Navratilova in 1982 or 1983, with the Yonex R-7?
     
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    It's an interesting thread to me. Will be very interesting complete a list of GS tournaments winners (and finalists) of say 1980-85 with names of racquets they used.
     
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    This is pretty neat info. PK Black Ace is the frame my dad used and got me started in tennis. I never knew it held a spot in slam history. o_O
     
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    Who won a slam with a Black Ace?
     
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  6. retrowagen

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    Brian Teacher. Henrik Sundstrom (Sweden) was another top player using the model, though he never won a Grand Slam title with it.
     
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    Oh sorry, completely missed that.
     
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    Thanks for info!retrowagen
    F200 and R-7 are both quite great sticks for hitting. I still play with the YONEX R-22,a frame full of flexibility.
     
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    I thought Teacher used the Silver Ace...
     
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    Brian Teacher used Black Ace indeed. Here post 2 images found on other sites.
    Pic1 showed that Teacher served with a Black Ace(1st generation).
    Pic2 was a close-up shot of slicing with a 2nd generation Black Ace.
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    Sorry for uploaded failure on #10. Here attached again.
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    BTW, what clothes brand did Teacher used?
     
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    My mistake. Silver Ace didn't arrive until '82.
     
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    I'm a huge Pro Kennex fan, but it does go to show you how bad their marketing was. They were the 1st graphite to win a grand slam and they still couldn't compete with Wilson, Head, Prince or Yonex (even Dunlop). I really wish they had taken off more.
     
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    Probably had to do with them not endorsing any tour pros worth mentioning. Even so, there were plenty of Kennex frames out there being used by amateurs during the 80’s (presuming that is the era you are referring to). Prince was the most popular, but there were as many pk’s being used as the other brands (Wilsons, Heads, etc.).
     
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    Instead, their parent company (Kunnan Lo) quietly became the producer of 2 out of every 3 tennis racquets produced in the world by 1984.

    No marquee pro endorsement? That’s okay...
     
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    Don't forget that Kunnan(Pro Kennex) was producing frames for quite a few other marques. Their success/popularity was farther reaching than their own brand. I was a rep for them in '84-85 and as Ultra 2 said, there were plenty of them in the hands of regular folk.
     
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    Yep, they OEM’ed for Prince, Wimbledon, and...
     
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    Don't know about other years but 1984 seems easy because McEnroe won three majors that year, with Lendl the remaining one. So it is Max 200G and GTX pro.

    Edit: Oh that's only on the men's side.
     
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    1984 was the first year that fully synthetic racquets won all 4 GS on the men's side. In 82 Connors won Wimbledon with his metal Wilson T2000, and Noah won RG 83 with a Coq Sportif Concept 3 Oversized, which was laminated wood and graphite.
     
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    I can't recognize the logo because it was blurry. Teacher wore PONYs in his later career,different with the brand in the pics above.
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    In 1984,Henrik Sundström defeated McEnroe with his Black Ace at the final of Davis Cup. Finally,Sweden won the championship. That was one of the only three matches McEnroe lost in the year of 1984.
     
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    Yes, the same with 1988, 3xWilander with Rossignol F200 Carbon and Edberg at Wimby with PS 6.0 85. At women's side 4xSteffi with Max 200G.
     
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    Yes, correct. But even in 1987 Cash won Wimbledon with his Prince Magnesium Pro 90, it was last time when the player won GS tournament with non composite racquet.
     
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    Ok, thank you anyway.
     
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    Like that small towel at the waist. I also used it like my idol Cash.
     
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    Another one was at RG Final against Lendl (his first GS victory). And the third?
     
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    Against unseeded Vijay Amritraj from India in the 1st Round of Cincinnati.
     
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    Great, thank you. Vijay was a great player.
     
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    True. Though Pioline went to reach a couple of GS finals later with Cash's Prince Magnesium Pro 90 painted in white.
     
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    Also Mecir who used wood racquet during all his career, won Olympic single tournament in 1988 and lost to Lendl in Australian Open final in 1989.
    That was i thought all the time but just read in Wiki that:
    "Mečíř's 1986 US Open final appearance was the last major final to see a player still using a wooden racket."
    Don't know is it true or not. That's mean that he changed his racquet after 1986, but it can be a simple pj.
     
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    Mecir lost the final of the 1989 Australian Open with a wood-graphite composite midsize Snauwaert (though paintjobbed to look like one of their graphite composite mids), so that Wikipedia entry needs revision.
     
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    Thank you, that's what i always think. He used the same racquet even until recent senior tour playing.
     
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    I use Wiki for statistics not for racquet using information. just notice that fact about Mecir's racquet mentioned there.
     
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    Man, i defend myself only:). Make me +20 now;)!
     
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    Ah yes, I remember Mecir. Wonderful backhand. He did play the same wood-graphite composite racket with at least 3 different paint jobs:

    - black / red with the top of the hoop in a natural wood color until 1986
    - blue / light yellow to make it look like one of their graphite models in 1987 (I would know: I was playing that frame at the time - the Orbit, if my memory serves)
    - mostly black from 1988 onwards
     
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    I remember first one:
    http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/brian-gottfried-mid-9.html

    and the latter one, the dark green ( i think you mean this racquet as "mostly black" ).

    All his three racquets you can see here:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/...r&mediatype=photography&phrase=miloslav mečíř
     
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    What about Black Ace Composite?
     
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    I play with original Black Ace (86 sq. inches)and Black Ace 90(90 sq. inches) usually but do not own a Black Ace composite. BA 90 is a stick with high modulus graphite fibers which is a bit stiffer than original BA. While BA Composite seems to have similar head size,frame shape and string pattern with BA 90. I assumed that they came out from the same mold but in different compositions and paint jobs.
     
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    Yeah, thank you. Composite seems to be cheaper one. Non top model.
     
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    He was sponsored by Adidas before switching to Pony. I can't tell if that logo spells Adidas or not, but it looks close or could be an advertisement. The style looks like Boast to me, but I am pretty sure he wore adidas for the Australian open
     
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    interesting....the MAX 200G was out in 1980, and popular....I have to look through and see who might have used it
     
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    Johann Kriek may have used a Rossignol C-12 in the 81 French....Vilas a Slazenger v-24 looks like wood but was graphite composite for the 79 Australian, and Gerulaitis used a Snauwaert L-3, which contained graphite....Still verifying, but everything else looks like wood or aluminum...
     
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    In 1979 Vilas was still using HEAD
     
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    I don’t think the Dunlop Max 200g came out until 1983. The Black Max predated it; was probably around in 1980.
     
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