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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Djokovicfan4life, Mar 28, 2008.

  1. jmacdaununder2

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    Used Vac Pro 98s and later iterations for years; sweetest volleying racquet out there - although that could have been partly due to the way they measured racquet length from the protruding butt cap, so that the racquets were effectively shorter than 27" lol. I started playing with the Superforms in the '70s - man I'm old - and only left to jump on the Prince Longbody bandwagon - sadly still on the wagon. My only issue with the 'Fissures' was just that; many of mine started buzzing due to hairline cracks on the inside of the join where the throat meets the head. Tried the Rev Pro long bodies too; nice but lacked the plush feel of the standard length models and weren't really 28" either - and that mustard yellow...
     
  2. WYK

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    Does the 252 have a similar feel and power level?
     
  3. McLovin

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    That's a tough call. First, its been a while since I've hit w/ the older Pro No 1s (dummy that I am, I sold mine back in college). Second, the new 252s are only 305g, and you'd have to lead them up to 330g, trying to get similar balance & swingweight. I'd say they're closer to anything else out there, but again, its been a while...
     
  4. Alex78

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    That is so true. And the main reason I have kept them for so long. But I think I'll have to let them go now, really need to clear out some rackets I know I'll never use again.
     
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  5. McLovin

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    Don't do it!!! I regret selling so many sticks over the years, and this is coming from someone who was going to ask if you'd consider selling them...
     
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  6. Alex78

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    I know what you're talking about ;) But I have over 70 sticks at the moment, and I need to reduce that number.
    Plus, to be fair, they've been in the for sale section (Europe; will also ship worldwide) for some time already, but I haven't pursued a sale too actively so far...
    And finally, I have some Black Granite Tour 100s, and I just prefer a constant beam. My current racket of choice is the Pacific X Tour Pro 97, which is just a refined Fischer as well :)
     
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  7. MikeMechanic

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    Could anyone tell me something about the grip pallets for Fischer latest models (M Comp 95, Black Granite, M Tour 100)?
    • Can I change a 4 3/8 pallet for a 4 1/2 pallet without breaking the racket?
    • Is it easy to do?
    • Would Pacific pallets fit as well?
    • How easily are they available?
    • What about the buttcap?
     
  8. McLovin

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    Yes. There are 2 plastic screws that go through the hairpin and secure the two pieces of the pallet. Easy to change.
    Yes.
    Yes, but they need to be the ones from the first two generations of Pacific frames ('BX1' and 'BX2'). The 'BXT' pallets are a completely different system.
    Unfortunately, they are not available publicly. You would need to either find them online (the 'bay, or here), or contact Pacific directly to see if they'd change Fischer frames for you. I know for Pacific frames, if you send them in they will swap pallets free of charge. You have to pay for shipping costs, though. But, with the new pallet system being release, they *might* send you some of the old ones. It doesn't hurt to ask...worst they can say is 'no'.
    There is no butt cap. The pallet is two long pieces split down the middle that extend from the throat to the butt cap. Essentially it is integrated into the pallet:
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    The above pic is stolen from an old user (Slitch) who added silicone to the handle. See https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pacific-x-feel-tour-100.458820/page-2#53 for more info.
     
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  9. MikeMechanic

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    @McLovin

    Thanks for the reply. One final note. The pallets depends on the weight of the original racket don't they? I mean, you can not put an L3 from an M Comp 95 (330 gram) to an M Comp 95 (295 gram) without affecting the original weight distribution of the M Comp 95 (295 gram).
     
  10. McLovin

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    Its my understanding that the pallets are supposed to be interchangeable without affecting the weight & balance. Obviously if you go from a 4 5/8" to a 4 1/8" there will be a slight difference due to less material, but its supposed to be negligible. Whether that is really the case, I don't know. I have a 4 1/4" and 4 1/2" pallet at home. If I remember, I'll put them on the postal scale & see if there is a difference when I get home from work today.

    But to your specific question, there is no difference between pallets on the lighter versions of a frame vs the heavier version. The added weight is inside the hairpin.
     
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  11. MikeMechanic

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    Ok thanks, I remember there was something with SL (super light) pallets / grips and UL (ultra light) pallets / grips. Maybe some other people can confirm what you say.
     
  12. McLovin

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    Special thanks to @Alex78 for the frames. Arrived this morning. They are the 295g versions, so I added a leather grip & an extra overwrap (they were 4 3/8" grips, and I like 4 1/2"), along w/ some lead to end at 320g, 310mm (~ 10.5 pts HL) unstrung:

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    Hitting tomorrow morning. Looking forward to comparing to my Black Granites (that were also 295g versions I leaded up).
     
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  13. Alex78

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    Great to see these wonderful rackets put to use by a true Fischer afficionado :)
     
  14. Arti

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    Fischer VT 98 Pro no.1 and Pacific X Force pro no.1. How big are the differences ?
     
  15. McLovin

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    Well, the closest I can come to the original VT 98 is my new Pro No 1 pictured above, so take this w/ a grain of salt. Additionally, neither my Pro No 1 nor the Pacific #252 actually came weighted like the original (330g, I believe). In both cases I had to add the weight myself, and in both cases, I only took them up to 320g.

    Having said that, the differences are really minor. I'd say I can feel the flex in the #252 more than in the Pro No 1, even though specs suggest otherwise (Pro No 1 says 60, #252 says 63). This is what turned me off to the #252 in the end. Not that its a bad thing, but coming from the X Force Pro, I was used to that 'crisp' feeling, and the older Pro No 1 has that. Maybe its the ceramic fibers that give it the unique feel (I have no idea if Pacific incorporated the same materials into the #252).

    I'd say the #252 is definitely worth a swing if you used the VT98, although you'll have to add a bit of weight. Replacing the grip w/ leather is a good start, and the new grip system has an actual butt-cap, so its fairly easy to pop some lead inside the handle as well (unlike the old pallet system where you had to unscrew the two pieces to get to the hairpin).
     
  16. Alex78

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    Bumping this very post - does anyone around here happen to know if this particular model is a little shorter than 685mm? Reason I'm asking is I just got one in MINT condition, and while the weight seems ok (309 grams without base grip and unstrung, 330 with leather grip installed), thus ruling out I got a junior racket "by accident", it is about 5mm shorter than my other rackets...

    Edit: On top of a LM Rad MP (standard length):

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    Edit2: 322 grams with Pacific Masters grip installed.

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  17. Alex78

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    Oh Fischer where art thou?

    - Ah, there you are ;)

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  18. RudyHuxtable

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    Can anyone identify the version of the Vacuum 98 below. Found it at a used sporting goods store, but have never seen this model. There are small shock absorbers built in to the frame at 3 & 9 on the inside of the grommets.

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  19. Zodd

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    I've owned a Vacuum Classic 280 but never seen one w that colorscheme or damping system. My 280 looked like this one: [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  20. WYK

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    Well, I just played a set on the Fischer BG No One, and I gotta say I love it. Also, I dunno. I mean, my shoulder is acting up, and she wants me to really swing out. I am wondering if I would be better off at my age and with my shoulder problems using something a bit bigger and lighter like a BX2 X Feel tour or BX2 Force? Anyone maybe wanna trade?
     
  21. McLovin

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    Is that the 295g version or the 320g version? And for the record...the BX2 X Force is essentially the 295g Black Granite.
     
  22. WYK

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    it's the 320g version.

    Oh I thought that was the 100 sq in version? I guess I meant BX2 X Feel? In any case, with my recent shoulder injuries, I need something larger, lighter, with a touch more power. Also, this thing is sort of a collectors item, and I don't want to destroy it for a collector. It's still got no scratches, and only one and a half sets on it. The strings are still fresh.
     
  23. McLovin

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    Understandable. Pacific's naming convention can be a tad confusing. The X Feel Tour (now discontinued) answers your first two criteria, but not the last. Its really, really low powered. Probably the X Fast LT would be a better option. Its Pacific's version of a Pure Drive, except it doesn't kill your arm.
    A Porsche was meant to be driven. Keeping it in the garage is kinda useless IMO.

    Oh, and I just realized we had the 295g/320g conversation on the previous page. Sorry...getting old and my memory isn't what it used to be...
     
  24. WYK

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    I was looking at the LT, but it seemed a bit stiff. I might get an x2 feel or a x2 force and extend it. The way the pallets are makes it seem easy to lengthen the sticks.
     
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  25. tapatio

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    I have a Fischer Black Granite Tour 295 gr. Size 3 in similar condition as yours in case you want to trade.
     
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    Got my fourth Vacuum Pro Classic 98. Thanks Alex for kindly shipping this to me.
     
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  27. WYK

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    Im looking more closely at sumfin like the bx2 xfast lt now, i think
     
  28. Zodd

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    @RudyHuxtable - you gotten any more info on the frame? How does it play compared to other fischer frames (if you hve any to compare w)?
     
  29. Alex78

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    Now you've got to show us your lovely foursome!
     
  30. RudyHuxtable

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    No more info yet. I have never seen this frame in my time researching Fischer.
    Have yet to play with it, but I plan to put a leather grip on it and string it up very soon. Will report my findings!
     
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  31. saleem

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    Can I join the club? just bought this racket Fischer Vacuum Pro Mid plus 98
    it is being shipped as we speak, any info/tip on this stick?
     
  32. zalive

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    I've got a question for dear Fischer fans:
    What's the actual difference between Classic Pro 98 and "252" (VT Pro 98) design when it comes to head shape?
    Im especially interested to know if Classic Pro 98 is narrower than VT Pro 98 in the upper hoop?

    For what I've read on this board, Pacific manufactures racquets for both designs - VT Pro 98 design is implemented in XForce Pro No.1 and XForce Lite racquets, while Classic Pro 98 design is implemented in X Tour Pro 97. Am I right? But since it's now advertised as 97, does it mean Classic Pro 98 has really a bit smaller head compared to VT Pro 98?

    From recently I own XForce Lite which I customized to some heavy specs - for the most part I'm satisfied, but I still didn't gel with it on forehand groundstrokes. I believe a bit wider upper hoop (in combo with taper) might be the reason for this, since I lose control when I want to go for a big, deep forehand - it produces a bit too high launch angle in those situations than what I would perfectly like.
     
  33. McLovin

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    Correct. They used to market it as a 98, but in reality it was slightly smaller than that. Just like the Pure Control 'Swirly' was marketed as a 97 when it first came out, but it was slightly larger and was later switched to a 98.

    The Pro Classic is actually thicker at the throat (22mm) and kinda tapers to 21mm at the tip, while the VT98 goes the other direction (20-23-25). Also, the head shape on the Pro Classic is more 'oval', while the Pro No 1 is slightly more 'teardrop'.

    I don't have the new Pacific, but I do have a few Revolution Pro Classics (+1.5cm) that are PJ'd as an X Force Pro and they're essentially the same frame (w/ additional stabilizers in the throat).
     
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  34. sargeinaz

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    Hey Fischer fans. I have an old Vacuum Pro classic 98 (purple and gold paint job) in excellent condition Im looking to get rid of. Figured I'd post it here before I throw it up in the sale section. Let me know if anyone is interested.
     
  35. saleem

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    i am in, what is the grip size? can you send few pics tajsaleem at gmail dot com
     
  36. tapatio

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    Also interested in case Salem does not get it, you can contact me at:
    ovazquez@satx.rr.com
     
  37. Alex78

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    I put one of my Pacific X Tour Pro 97 on top of a Fischer Classic Pro 98 (retro US-issue) - they appear to be exactly the same with regard to head size.
     
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  38. zalive

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    Well, if they were any different it wouldn't be fair to say they have a same design... :) thanks for confirmation!
    Do you have any "252" design with yourself to compare it with Classic Pro 98/X Tour Pro 97?
     
  39. Alex78

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    Unfortunately, I don't - I currently only have straight beam Fischer and Pacific racquets.
     

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