The full list of would be ATG players, younger than Djokodal

Once again you use your 'nobrainers' when you were advised to start using your brain
Murray should have been stopped by the generation coming after Djokodal. But hey, wait, it is Krajinovic, Sonego, Djere, Mager.
So of course you choose a nobrainer name over form & logic
And then you accuse Hewitt of losing #1 to Roddick? During his prime?

Lol
& lol at your vacuum era
If something, the vacuum era is happening now.
12 years we see zero young talent capable to challenge 3 guys that get older & older & older
Maybe come out of your bias once in a while and acknowledge that not everything is black and white? You make arguments like a kid... 'you have no brain, shut your loud mouth, etc' and lose cool over an internet guy you don't even know :-D

Your posts exactly reflect your username : blablavla xD. Take a chill pill man. You aren't changing my stand nor am I changing yours, we can agree to disagree
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Maybe come out of your bias once in a while and acknowledge that not everything is black and white? You make arguments like a kid... 'you have no brain, shut your loud mouth, etc' and lose cool over an internet guy you don't even know :-D

Your posts exactly reflect your username : blablavla xD. Take a chill pill man. You aren't changing my stand nor am I changing yours, we can agree to disagree

your arguments were busted several times here already. I assume mostly because you use 'nobrainers'
so time to start using your brain buddy

majority of the world?
that would be approximately 4+ Billion people on the planet
please bring some data to back up your loud mouth

well, great, let's compare Murray reaching to #1.
If I remember well

Djokovic.
After winning RG, his results were:

Wimbledon. Lost in R3 to Querrey
Olympic Games. Lost in R1 to Del Potro
USO. Lost the final to Wawrinka
Shanghai. Lost in QF to RBA
Paris. Lost in QF to Cilic

Federer.
I see a glaring hole in 2016 activity, which followed Wimbledon
Hint. He had a surgery.

Nadal.
At FO he lost in R3 to Granollers.
Shall we look into any further details of the Nadal 2016 season?

and you are telling me that Murray path to #1 is glorious while Hewitt caught "a significant vaccum"?
get your facts straight if you want to troll

Murray in 2016
Lost to Novak at the AO. Didn't meet neither Roger nor Rafa
Lost to Delbonis in IW. Didn't meet anyone from Big 3
Lost to Dimitrov in Miami. Didn't meet anyone from Big
Lost to Rafa in MC
Lost to Novak in Madrid
Lost to Novak at FO
didn't meet anyone from Big 3 en-route to Wim title
Lost to Nishikori at USO

truly glorious path to #1 by chasing Vienna title...

Not only weaker ascent than Hewitt's, but also shorter stay

no, because 2015 result were irrelevant when Murray reached #1

lol
:-D :-D

Agreed for as of today. but this gen will win much more slams than that gen eventually as the Big 3 depart, it's a sad truth, but it is true:giggle:

having said this, I'm not interested in busting your 'nobrainers' further
so, either please make an effort and bring some interesting, fact based arguments so that we can have an interesting discussion here, or please don't derail the thread any further
the thread is about which younger ATGs Djokodal faced
if you want to discuss which #1 was weaker, Hewitt or Murray, create another thread
same applies to what matters more name or form, etc.
 

junior74

Bionic Poster
Djokovic faced ATGs his entire career from 2008-2020 ->

First slam: 08 AO defeated peak Federer in SF
20 AO defeated red hot Federer in SF (was 5 - 3 0 - 40 down in 1st set) and potential ATG Thiem in the F.

Red, hot and injured. It was the first thing Novak commented in the post match interview.

He even said "respect to Roger for coming out tonight, he was obviously hurt".
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Count everything starting from 2015 shouldn't we? If we are calculating #1? Fed was pretty good in 2015, Novak and Wawrinka were peak.

one last 'nobrainer' bust

1. Paris Masters ended on November 6th, 2016
2. Murray claimed the #1 spot on November 7th, 2016

so please list all points gathered in 2015, by any ATP player in the world that threatened Murray's #1 position
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
The stats might be a little cherry-picky. I'm too lazy to go dig up more comprehensive ones.

In previous decades, there were top players who weren't ATGs or slam winners would be at least semi-regular slam contenders. These are guys like Nalbandian and Davydenko - the latter a popular "weak era mug" here on Tennis Talk. He didn't really do much until he was 24, but he got to 10 slam QF in 6 years during the Federer-early Nadal era from 2005-2010. Only 4 semis, obviously no slams. He got to #3 in the ATP. A solid, but not exactly high-flying career. He's just an example there are others like him - like Ferrer.

Does the post Nadal-Djokovic generations have anyone as good as Davydenko? Maybe Theim would qualify as he's won a slam and been in a few finals. Anyone else?

(crickets)

Exactly.

The Medvedev-Tsitsipas-Zverev generation can still get there. The previous one didn't.
 
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