The Future of Personal Transportation

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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Sales of EVs have plunged by 27% this year, while sales of the older technology commonly referred to as "gasoline-hybrid" vehicles have increased 37%.

finance.yahoo.com

Global EV sales rise 9% as North America plunges 27% after federal incentives end

For many households, the biggest obstacle is still the upfront cost.
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The Electric Age is over and the Gasoline Age has returned with emphasis.

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Gas nears $5. Why aren’t electric vehicles selling in the US?

Electric vehicle sales in the US are set to fall from 1.5 million to 1.2 million this year, according to the International Energy Agency.
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In a country under a "unitary executive" if the leader orders "no electric vehicles" then no electric vehicle it is.

Meanwhile, progressive capitalist countries like China dominate the twenty-first century and the world follows.
 
Bartelby said:
In a country under a quasi-dictatorship if the leader orders "no electric vehicles" then no electric vehicle it is.

Meanwhile, progressive capitalist countries like China dominate the twenty-first century and the world follows.
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Have you committed to actually purchasing an EV yet?
 
Here's my new car parked outside my mini-mansion:

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Bartelby said:
The heroic Mark Carney has rejected the tariff-terrorism of the felonious regime to the south of Canada.
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But the Trumpster has obliterated EVs from serious market penetration, Carney is rowing an uphill boat.

Fortunately, both agree on the need to build pipelines to transport Canadian oil to US markets in a very big way,.
 
Canadian oil won't be going to America. China and Asia will profit more from the new West Coast terminals.

Dan Lobb said:
But the Trumpster has obliterated EVs from serious market penetration, Carney is rowing an uphill boat.

Fortunately, both agree on the need to build pipelines to transport Canadian oil to US markets in a very big way,.
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Bartelby said:
It's closer to 20% more but these are new technology vehicles so insurance markets will move with the times.
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Your numbers are wildly wrong, as usual.

Here is what AI tells us, based on actual sources:

"On average, electric vehicles (EVs) cost roughly 37% to 42% more to insure than comparable gasoline-powered cars. Data from industry analysts show average annual premiums of about $3,131 for EVs compared to $2,289 for gas vehicles, though the exact price gap depends heavily on the specific make, model, and your location. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Key Reasons for Higher EV Premiums
    • Expensive Batteries: EV battery packs are costly to replace and even minor impacts can trigger total-loss write-offs if the battery housing is compromised. [1, 2]
    • Specialized Repairs: EVs require specialized technician training, rare structural components, and precise sensor recalibration after a collision. [1, 2]
    • Higher Replacement Values: EVs often feature luxury-level tech and higher initial purchase prices than basic entry-level gas cars. [1]

Why Costs Vary
    • Model Differences: Popular high-volume EVs or performance models (like certain Teslas) often carry steeper rates due to higher accident and repair frequencies, while some legacy manufacturer compact EVs have a narrower gap.
    • Location: Insurance pricing changes significantly by province or state based on local claim payouts and regional risk"
 
You have no expert knowledge. You are just quoting from your personally preferred sources.

BEVs are new technology, so insurance markets will take time to adapt.

Dan Lobb said:
Your numbers are wildly wrong, as usual.

Here is what AI tells us, based on actual sources:

"On average, electric vehicles (EVs) cost roughly 37% to 42% more to insure than comparable gasoline-powered cars. Data from industry analysts show average annual premiums of about $3,131 for EVs compared to $2,289 for gas vehicles, though the exact price gap depends heavily on the specific make, model, and your location. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Key Reasons for Higher EV Premiums
    • Expensive Batteries: EV battery packs are costly to replace and even minor impacts can trigger total-loss write-offs if the battery housing is compromised. [1, 2]
    • Specialized Repairs: EVs require specialized technician training, rare structural components, and precise sensor recalibration after a collision. [1, 2]
    • Higher Replacement Values: EVs often feature luxury-level tech and higher initial purchase prices than basic entry-level gas cars. [1]

Why Costs Vary
    • Model Differences: Popular high-volume EVs or performance models (like certain Teslas) often carry steeper rates due to higher accident and repair frequencies, while some legacy manufacturer compact EVs have a narrower gap.
    • Location: Insurance pricing changes significantly by province or state based on local claim payouts and regional risk"
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Dan Lobb said:
Sales of EVs have plunged by 27% this year, while sales of the older technology commonly referred to as "gasoline-hybrid" vehicles have increased 37%.

finance.yahoo.com

Global EV sales rise 9% as North America plunges 27% after federal incentives end

For many households, the biggest obstacle is still the upfront cost.
finance.yahoo.com finance.yahoo.com

The Electric Age is over and the Gasoline Age has returned with emphasis.

news.northeastern.edu

Gas nears $5. Why aren’t electric vehicles selling in the US?

Electric vehicle sales in the US are set to fall from 1.5 million to 1.2 million this year, according to the International Energy Agency.
news.northeastern.edu news.northeastern.edu
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Hybrid sales are surging and they all have electric motors
 
Strangely enough, you pay a big premium to get a hybrid insured and they cost significantly more up front.
 
Bartelby said:
You have no expert knowledge. You are just quoting from your personally preferred sources.

BEVs are new technology, so insurance markets will take time to adapt.
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Says the totally uninformed ideologue,right?

There is complete agreement that insurance rates soar for EVs.
 
There is complete agreement that you pay more insurance, but so what?

It's a new technology so there is always a premium. It will disappear as the BEV takes over.

Dan Lobb said:
Says the totally uninformed ideologue,right?

There is complete agreement that insurance rates soar for EVs.
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Lleytonstation said:
Lol these people have never been to canada. That ain't ever working.
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Dr Raul must be constipated lately or something because he’s reacting negatively to everything. A so-called "15-minute city" just means the things you want are close, ideally a short walk. He can still get into his beloved EV and drive it wherever he wants, within its comically short range in the case of his particular EV. Ideally significantly more public space is given to bicycles and pedestrians. Manhattan has already been moving in this direction and will be redoing a small portion of 5th avenue to make it much more pedestrian and bicycle friendly. Cars have taken over too much area and for too long!

ny1.com

City unveils pedestrian-centered redesign of Fifth Avenue corridor

The plan was first purposed in Dec. of 2022.
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RSJfan said:
Dr Raul must be constipated lately or something. A so-called "15-minute city" just means the things you want are close, ideally a short walk. He can still get into his beloved EV and drive it wherever he wants, within its comically short range in the case of his particular EV.
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That's if the government lets you start it on that day.
 
Good public transportation is helpful and a big benefit but without your own personal car, freedom is severely limited. You don’t want to be entirely reliant on public transportation in life. There is no utopia if you can’t get in your car when you want to in order to take short or long trips. Driving has big benefits over even air travel. I don’t want to live in a society that seeks to eliminate personal automobiles.
 
Borg Number One said:
Good public transportation is helpful and a big benefit but without your own personal car, freedom is severely limited. You don’t want to be entirely reliant on public transportation in life. There is no utopia if you can’t get in your car when you want to in order to take short or long trips. Driving has big benefits over even air travel. I don’t want to live in a society that seeks to eliminate personal automobiles.
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No one is eliminating cars at anytime in the lifetimes of anyone reading this. It’s a complete red herring. I am disappointed though that we never got those George Jetson vehicles!

I agree completely about getting in your car and driving. Let the Europeans take public transportation exclusively. :giggle: We don’t even have the infrastructure. Why can’t we build high speed trains like the Chinese!
 
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Lleytonstation said:
Until they aren't. An ev is great for the city, but a lot of people don't live in the city.
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15 minute city. You see the word city. I already live in a 15 minute city for the most part. The horror! lol

Re EV. Keep blowing your money on gas. ExxonMobil has to eat too. :giggle:
 
RSJfan said:
No one is eliminating cars at anytime in the lifetimes of anyone reading this. It’s a complete red herring. I am disappointed though that we never got those George Jetson vehicles!
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Jetson vehicles would be fun and interesting. I would not put it past some governments to try and severely limit personal automobiles. I could see it happening in certain places in our lifetime if people allow it. Not everywhere but in certain spots.

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RSJfan said:
15 minute city. You see the word city. I already live in a 15 minute city for the most part. The horror! lol

Re EV. Keep blowing your money on gas. ExxonMobil has to eat too. :giggle:
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An ev is not realistic for many people like me that live over an hour from the city I work in.
 
Lleytonstation said:
An ev is not realistic for many people like me that live over an hour from the city I work in.
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This country has its head up its rear. China is way ahead of us in the car business. It develops vehicles much faster and they are more advanced, and cheaper. If we didn’t tariff them out of our markets they would put all our car manufacturers out of business.

I want the FREEDOM to buy a Chinese made car not the POS Ford wants to sell me.

 
Lleytonstation said:
An ev is not realistic for many people like me that live over an hour from the city I work in.
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I would try a hybrid. I don’t see any downside to that other than initial cost may be a bit higher but once gas settles down at $15/gallon+ you’ll make it up in no time.

www.consumerreports.org

Are Hybrids a Smart Choice Right Now? - Consumer Reports

CR explains why hybrids are good choices and shares a list of the top-rated hybrid cars, trucks, SUVs, and minivans.
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Personal automobiles are already limited with emission zoning and congestion pricing.

It is also more covertly done through urban design and road use choices.

People don't have a choice given congestion.

Borg Number One said:
Jetson vehicles would be fun and interesting. I would not put it past some governments to try and severely limit personal automobiles. I could see it happening in certain places in our lifetime if people allow it. Not everywhere but in certain spots.
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Bartelby said:
Personal automobiles are already limited with emission zoning and congestion pricing.

It is also more covertly done through urban design and road use choices.

People don't have a choice given congestion.
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I understand but personal automobiles will remain the preferred mode of transportation in most countries, even cities. Too many great benefits. People love their cars and hopefully they will be around for a very long time. I don’t think driverless cars will be very prevalent either although they will be used more as they are improved.
 
I don't disagree. I'm merely pointing out that the car is running out of road. Literally!

Borg Number One said:
I understand but personal automobiles will remain the preferred mode of transportation in most countries, even cities. Too many great benefits. People love their cars and hopefully they will be around for a very long time. I don’t think driverless cars will be very prevalent either although they will be used more as they are improved.
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RSJfan said:
I would try a hybrid. I don’t see any downside to that other than initial cost may be a bit higher but once gas settles down at $15/gallon+ you’ll make it up in no time.

www.consumerreports.org

Are Hybrids a Smart Choice Right Now? - Consumer Reports

CR explains why hybrids are good choices and shares a list of the top-rated hybrid cars, trucks, SUVs, and minivans.
www.consumerreports.org www.consumerreports.org
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Hybrids are costlier to operate and maintain than BEVs. Hybrids are more likely (more than 2x) to catch fire than an a typical ICE vehicle and significantly more likely (nearly 140x) than a BEV.

BEVs lack internal combustion engines, meaning they eliminate routine expenses like oil changes, spark plugs, and exhaust repairs, leading to lower average annual maintenance costs


From Motor.com (July 2026):

Vehicle Fire Rates per 100,000 Sold
    • Hybrid vehicles: ~3,475 fires
    • Internal combustion engine (ICE) cars: ~1,530 fires
    • Battery electric vehicles (BEVs): ~25 fires
 
Dan Lobb said:
Sales of EVs have plunged by 27% this year, while sales of the older technology commonly referred to as "gasoline-hybrid" vehicles have increased 37%.

finance.yahoo.com

Global EV sales rise 9% as North America plunges 27% after federal incentives end

For many households, the biggest obstacle is still the upfront cost.
finance.yahoo.com finance.yahoo.com

The Electric Age is over and the Gasoline Age has returned with emphasis.

news.northeastern.edu

Gas nears $5. Why aren’t electric vehicles selling in the US?

Electric vehicle sales in the US are set to fall from 1.5 million to 1.2 million this year, according to the International Energy Agency.
news.northeastern.edu news.northeastern.edu
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@Lleytonstation

Canada + US ≠ the World

Despite what is happening in North America, the sale of electric vehicles rose 9% globally. In 2024, electric vehicles accounted for 22% for of vehicle sold globally. For 2025, it was about 20% but for 2026 it is expected to be about 30% of all vehicle sold on the planet.

electrek.co

Global EV sales rose in July – except in North America

Global EV sales rose 9% in July as Europe surged, North America slid, and China’s BEV growth defied its broader decline.
electrek.co electrek.co
 
Bartelby said:
If you have a long-range BEV you simply charge it over night at home.

It's far cheaper and gives you back-up power in case of an outage.
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No it is much more expensive, requiring massive infrastructure public investments.
SystemicAnomaly said:
@Lleytonstation

Canada + US ≠ the World

Despite what is happening in North America, the sale of electric vehicles rose 9% globally. In 2024, electric vehicles accounted for 22% for of vehicle sold globally. For 2025, it was about 20% but for 2026 it is expected to be about 30% of all vehicle sold on the planet.

electrek.co

Global EV sales rose in July – except in North America

Global EV sales rose 9% in July as Europe surged, North America slid, and China’s BEV growth defied its broader decline.
electrek.co electrek.co
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The data is clouded by unreliable figures from China.

You can rely on the North American numbers showing a massive collapse of the EV industry.
 
Cherry-picking the data is your approach whether it be climate science or BEV sales.

Dan Lobb said:
No it is much more expensive, requiring massive infrastructure public investments.

The data is clouded by unreliable figures from China.

You can rely on the North American numbers showing a massive collapse of the EV industry.
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