The GOAT run (2017-???)

merlinpinpin

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Whether one believes there can be a GOAT (and surface GOATs) or not, some runs that stand out, and others, even more so. Federer's absolute domination from 2004-2007 will of course be remembered for a long time, but it was achieved by a player at the peak of his game and physical prowess, and it probably won't feel as impressive in the end. Laver had his GOAT run in 1969, and some 50 years later, this is about the only thing people talk about when they think about him. Well, Federer is having his, now. He already ticked most of the boxes for GOAThood before 2017, and has been adding a cartload of them since then:

- 20 slams (consider this: this is more than Borg (the best player of the 70's) and Lendl (the best player of the 80's) put together!)
- 8 Wimbledons (forget Sampras, the man beat Renshaw!)
- Oldest #1 ever
- Longest gap between first and last time at #1
- Longest gap between two stints at #1
- Oh, and he also put the H2H with Nadal to rest after beating him so comprehensively last year

But there are still quite a lot he can tick, and you can bet he's got his eye on some of them at least:

- 6 YE #1 (get ready, Pete, this one is coming fast)
- Oldest YE #1 (goes with the previous one)
- Oldest winner of a slam in Open Era (must win one in 2019+; Gore won one at 41 in 1909,so that would mean Fed winning one in 2023+... duh)
- Tying FemGOAT at 9 Wimbledons
- Breaking the tie with Connors and Sampras by winning a 6th USO
- Connors' 109 titles
- Court's 24 slam titles
- 30 majors (just because round numbers are sexy; he's currently at 26)
- Olympic gold medal in singles
- The Grand Slam

Logic says he won't be able to make them all, but you can bet he's going to aim for as many as he can. His generation retired some time ago, the next one, which prevented him from gaining big titles past 30, is now beaten, the one after that never amounted to much, and the new one isn't quite ready yet. The only things that can stop him now are father time and the rise of the young generation. And stop him they will, so he needs to make the most of it before they do. And that's exactly what he's been doing over the last 13 months, ie toeing a fine line in trying to get to as many milestones as fast as he can while avoiding injuries. His GOAT run began in January 2017. Who knows when it will end? Should he be able to extend it to 2019 (and beyond?), the end result will be nothing short of legendary.

The Monster is back—soaring like an eagle and running like a GOAT.
 
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BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
20 slams (consider this: this is more than Borg (the best player of the 70's) and Lendl (the best player of the 80's) put together!)
20 slams: consider that this is 10% of all majors contested in the Open Era. All won by one single man who was born 13 years into the Open era itself. That is literally mind blowing!
 

TheMaestro1990

Hall of Fame
I think we should take a moment and stop... and just appreciate it. The field may be bad but what Federer is and has been achieving is nothing short of unrivaled and unheard of. But it also can end at any point. Remember the bad 2013 after a spectacular 2012? Let's not take things for granted and look too far ahead. Let's live in the present and appreciate what we already have.
 
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Whether one believes there can be a GOAT (and surface GOATs) or not, some runs that stand out, and others, even more so. Federer's absolute domination from 2004-2007 will of course be remembered for a long time, but it was achieved by a player at the peak of his game and physical prowess, and it probably won't feel as impressive in the end. Laver had his GOAT run in 1969, and some 50 years later, this is about the only thing people talk about when they think about him. Well, Federer is having his, now. He already ticked most of the boxes for GOAThood before 2017, and has been adding a cartload of them since then:

- 20 slams (consider this: this is more than Borg (the best player of the 70's) and Lendl (the best player of the 80's) put together!)
- 8 Wimbledons (forget Sampras, the man beat Renshaw!)
- Oldest #1 ever
- Longest gap between first and last time at #1
- Longest gap between two stints at #1
- Oh, and he also put the H2H with Nadal to rest after beating him so comprehensively last year

But there are still quite a lot he can tick, and you can bet he's got his eye on some of them at least:

- 6 YE #1 (get ready, Pete, this one is coming fast)
- Oldest YE #1 (goes with the previous one)
- Tying FemGOAT at 9 Wimbledons
- Tying Connors and Sampras at 6 USO's
- Connors' 109 titles
- Court's 24 slam titles
- 30 majors (just because round numbers are sexy; he's currently at 26)
- Olympic gold medal in singles
- The Grand Slam

Logic says he won't be able to make them all, but you can bet he's going to aim for as many as he can. His generation retired some time ago, the next one, which prevented him from gaining big titles past 30, is now beaten, the one after that never amounted to much, and the new one isn't quite ready yet. The only things that can stop him now are father time and the rise of the young generation. And stop him they will, so he needs to make the most of it before they do. And that's exactly what he's been doing over the last 13 months, ie toeing a fine line in trying to get to as many milestones as fast as he can while avoiding injuries. His GOAT run began in January 2017. Who knows when it will end? Should he be able to extend it to 2019 (and beyond?), the end result will be nothing short of legendary.

The Monster is back—soaring like an eagle and running like a GOAT.
great post but Connors and Sampras both have 5 USO titles.
If Fed wins one more then he breaks the record.
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
great post but Connors and Sampras both have 5 USO titles.
If Fed wins one more then he breaks the record.
You're absolutely right, my bad (didn't proof it thoroughly enough and apparently got sucked in by the previous line of tying Navratilova at Wimby). :oops: I'll update the OP straightaway, thanks! :)
 
And here is title #97 with Fed openly saying he'd like to reach 100. 109 is the real target, though (110, actually), but it's too far to talk about it yet, so 100 is the first logical milestone on that road. ;)
Can’t Fed just play a funch of 250-500 events in the next three years and beat up on the field?
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Can’t Fed just play a funch of 250-500 events in the next three years and beat up on the field?
He sure could, but he specifically said he wouldn't do that, and when you look at his schedule, he's sure not adding smaller tournaments all over the place just to reach 109 faster (there was obviously another reason for him to ask for a WC at Rotterdam). ;)
 
He sure could, but he specifically said he wouldn't do that, and when you look at his schedule, he's sure not adding smaller tournaments all over the place just to reach 109 faster (there was obviously another reason for him to ask for a WC at Rotterdam). ;)
Connors no doubt amassed a bunch of small titles, right?
 
He sure could, but he specifically said he wouldn't do that, and when you look at his schedule, he's sure not adding smaller tournaments all over the place just to reach 109 faster (there was obviously another reason for him to ask for a WC at Rotterdam). ;)
Didn’t Connors win a bunch of the smaller tourneys?
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Didn’t Connors win a bunch of the smaller tourneys?
It was even worse than that with Connors. His manager (Bill Riordan) organized tournaments that weren't even part of the ATP Tour (the infamous Riordan tour), and he could play and win six or seven smaller tourney in January and February alone, without playing a single top 50. Look at the list of US tourneys he won in his first years as a pro, it's just mind-boggling.
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
Op has point. Imagine If Fed continues this kind of form at the end of 2019 - the records he will gonna set will be out of reach. He shall become undisputed GOAT..
 

Sum Buddy Ells

Hall of Fame
I think we should take a moment and stop... and just appreciate it. The field may be bad but what Federer is and has been achieving is nothing short of unrivaled and unheard of. But it also can end at any point. Remember the bad 2013 after a spectacular 2012? Let's not take things for granted and look too far ahead. Let's live in the present and appreciate what we already have.
Thanks for your tribute vids! Grateful that Roger and YouTube (and of course many other things) have coexisted in our lifetime :)

Me feels 2018 will be a successful and relatively worry-free year. 2019 I'm more concerned about. (Sorry for the bad vibes but) it's been different "endings" every 3 years since 2010...

2010 = Roger's SF streak at slams ended

2013 = Roger's QF streak at slams ended

2016 = Roger's showing-up-at-slams streak ended

2019 = ?

Anyhow...still far, far away. Live in the present as you said :)

 

Smasher08

Legend
Whether one believes there can be a GOAT (and surface GOATs) or not, some runs that stand out, and others, even more so. Federer's absolute domination from 2004-2007 will of course be remembered for a long time, but it was achieved by a player at the peak of his game and physical prowess, and it probably won't feel as impressive in the end. Laver had his GOAT run in 1969, and some 50 years later, this is about the only thing people talk about when they think about him. Well, Federer is having his, now. He already ticked most of the boxes for GOAThood before 2017, and has been adding a cartload of them since then:

- 20 slams (consider this: this is more than Borg (the best player of the 70's) and Lendl (the best player of the 80's) put together!)
- 8 Wimbledons (forget Sampras, the man beat Renshaw!)
- Oldest #1 ever
- Longest gap between first and last time at #1
- Longest gap between two stints at #1
- Oh, and he also put the H2H with Nadal to rest after beating him so comprehensively last year

But there are still quite a lot he can tick, and you can bet he's got his eye on some of them at least:

- 6 YE #1 (get ready, Pete, this one is coming fast)
- Oldest YE #1 (goes with the previous one)
- Tying FemGOAT at 9 Wimbledons
- Breaking the tie with Connors and Sampras by winning a 6th USO
- Connors' 109 titles
- Court's 24 slam titles
- 30 majors (just because round numbers are sexy; he's currently at 26)
- Olympic gold medal in singles
- The Grand Slam

Logic says he won't be able to make them all, but you can bet he's going to aim for as many as he can. His generation retired some time ago, the next one, which prevented him from gaining big titles past 30, is now beaten, the one after that never amounted to much, and the new one isn't quite ready yet. The only things that can stop him now are father time and the rise of the young generation. And stop him they will, so he needs to make the most of it before they do. And that's exactly what he's been doing over the last 13 months, ie toeing a fine line in trying to get to as many milestones as fast as he can while avoiding injuries. His GOAT run began in January 2017. Who knows when it will end? Should he be able to extend it to 2019 (and beyond?), the end result will be nothing short of legendary.

The Monster is back—soaring like an eagle and running like a GOAT.
Just remember: 7 Real Slams > > > > > 20 practise slams
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Back then there wasn’t the ATP tour we have today. There were two tours and many players spent time on both tours or had exclusive contracts with one or the other for a specific amount of time. There was nothing nefarious on Connors part. There was even two year end championships in the 90s, the ATP one and the ITF one which paid 2 million dollars for the winner. The modern ATP tour is great but if it were another business outside of sports it would trigger anti trust action.
At times, there were even more than two, and up to four. ;)

Didn't say there was anything nefarious on Jimbo's part, but his 109 titles list is padded with super-weak tournament specially set up by his manager, so it's really hard to compare. That's just how it is. Just like Laver's alleged 200 titles (I'm writing "alleged" not because I doubt them, but because 200 is such a round number that he feels suspect), with many eight-man or even four-man tournaments in the list (including one which he won by two withdrawals, ie never even got to show up on court to get the win). That's why these records are really hard to compare across eras (and Connors, like Lendl, actually won many more smaller tournaments, but the ATP doesnt count them as "valid".
 
It was even worse than that with Connors. His manager (Bill Riordan) organized tournaments that weren't even part of the ATP Tour (the infamous Riordan tour), and he could play and win six or seven smaller tourney in January and February alone, without playing a single top 50. Look at the list of US tourneys he won in his first years as a pro, it's just mind-boggling.
So basically it’s a joke record.

Reminds me of when Fed got to his 6th Wimbledon and people were saying that he had tied William Renshaw...
 

NGM

Hall of Fame
If Federer could take just one more slam he would surpass Rosewall as the most successful tennis player in his 30s. Indeed his longevity will be the best in whole tennis history no one else can match.

If he could win one more this year, his 2017-2018 run would be his personal second best ever after the famous 2004-2007, the second multiple slam seasons. His second prime, happens at 35-37 years old. Incredible.

So one more slam could do wonder for him and his fans. But of course things can change quickly and he can be stopped by something someone at somewhere anytime. We can only hope for the best.
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
So basically it’s a joke record.

Reminds me of when Fed got to his 6th Wimbledon and people were saying that he had tied William Renshaw...
Actually, Renshaw won seven, plus one lost final that he lost, so he's technically above Sampras (but of course, the challenge round makes this much less impressive than Sampras wuinning his against full, 128-man draws. ;)
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
If Federer could take just one more slam he would surpass Rosewall as the most successful tennis player in his 30s.
Thanks for reminding me. Just added to the OP another achievement that Federer is chasing, ie oldest slam winner of the Open Era (must win one in 2019 or later to surpass Rosewall).
 
Actually, Renshaw won seven, plus one lost final that he lost, so he's technically above Sampras (but of course, the challenge round makes this much less impressive than Sampras wuinning his against full, 128-man draws. ;)
Wasn’t Wimbledon only open to English players in Renshaw’s day? #AllEnglandClub

Imagine how many Wimbledons Murray would have if he never had to play against non Brits at Wimbledon? Then again, Murray’s a Scot, not an Englishman, so maybe he wouldn’t be allowed to play either:)
 
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