The Golf Thread

BlackSilver

Semi-Pro
I think it will be an excite on Sunday but Day holds that two-shot cushion and he is due to break through. He will be my second favorite to win after Spieth.

I guess you was right. I expected Spieth to win and Rose to be second. About Day, well, to be honest, I expected him to choke and to end in fifth or sixth place.

When was last time (if ever) someone won three majors in a year ?
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I guess you was right. I expected Spieth to win and Rose to be second. About Day, well, to be honest, I expected him to choke and to end in fifth or sixth place.

When was last time (if ever) someone won three majors in a year ?
Tiger in 2000...add in the '01 Masters and you have the Tiger Slam. Before that, you have to go back to 1953 for Ben Hogan, who won all three majors he entered. Scheduling didn't allow him to cross the Atlantic in time to compete in the PGA after winning the British Open.
 

CurrenFan

Rookie
I spent over two hours Sunday camped out near the 11th green at Whistling Straits and saw one heck of a lot of eagles, the most impressive of which was Tony Finau's, as his tee shot landed in a bunker yet he still managed an approach to maybe a dozen feet from the pin. Holy crap you did not want to land in the bunker short of and to the left of the 11th green - it literally had a ladder going down into it. JB Holmes hit his approach shot into it and he disappeared for at least 10 minutes totally out of sight before he managed, just barely, to get his ball out.

On the 225yd par-3 17th, Thomas Bjorn's tee shot was maybe the most beautiful golf shot I've ever seen - as soon as I spotted it, it simply looked perfect, dropped on the green and made a straight line for the pin, missing it by about 1-inch and stopping a few feet beyond the hole. There's a 225 yard par-3 with a river running up the entire left side of the fairway, rather similar to the 17th at The Straits, at a course I play a few times a season. If I was ever smart enough to treat it like a short par-4 and hit 8-iron then sandwedge, I'd probably par it once in a while and certainly get a fair number of bogeys. But my buddies always say "Did you drive all the way up here just to lay up?" and I'll proceed to put two or three balls into the river or the woods on the right side. I'm simply amazed at how accurate the pros are on over-200 yard shots.

I was surprised that several of the taller, longer players on the tour looked a lot smaller in person - Tony Finau hardly looked even 6' tall and Bubba Watson looked even shorter. Speaking of Bubba, watched him hit his tee shot pin high to the right of the green on the 10th hole, running 361 yards long. Even more remarkable, he hit that ball with a 3-wood, not a driver.

The day was pretty darn hot but luckily we managed to find places where the wind was fairly strong and kept us somewhat cool.

The one thing I did not like, that actually p*ssed me off quite a bit, was the fact that the PGA and Herb Kohler decided not to put up a single lousy drinking fountain on the entire course. Quite frankly, with such a bright sunny day and temperatures over 90*F, a typical fan staying out on the course for 10 hours would end up in the hospital unless he or she consumed at least 1-liter, probably more like 2-liters, of fluids. Just to buy two 1-liter bottles of plain drinking water (not flavored) was $12. That's pretty outrageous, to charge that much money for something that is a necessity of life, not a luxury. I see no difference between charging for water and the PGA spraying poison gas over the crowds and charging $12 for a gasmask. Water on a hot day is as much of a necessity as air. You would think for $100 a ticket they could at least have provided some drinking fountains or charged only cost on the bottled water.

I saw a woman who looked rather familiar and sure enough, people were whispering was it was Paulina Gretzky, Dustin Johnson's fiancée and baby-mama. Way too much makeup for a hot day outside and an unnaturally large chest to go with an astonishingly narrow waist. Way too non-natural looking for me. I was glad to see D.J. fall apart again in a major. Too many haters rant and nitpick about Tiger Woods, but what did he do that hurt anyone else other than make a few spoiled kids have to see their dad a few days fewer per month and hurt the feelings for a few months of a beautiful blond woman who then became a fabulously wealthy single beautiful blond woman? In contrast, Dustin Johnson's addiction helped fund drug cartels who each year kill thousands of innocent civilians as well as honest police officers, prosecutors, politicians and judges. I was standing about 15-20' away when Johnson walked by - I was tempted to call out to him "Hey DJ, you got some white powder there under your nose" but the decorum of a gentleman's sport influenced me to resist the temptation.
 
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CurrenFan

Rookie
Equipment thoughts...

I just demoed Callaway's Apex irons and, man(!), they are sweet. Sublime feel and consistent ball flight. Too bad they are $1k a set. I'll watch the secondary market for used set, I think. A lot of nice clubs out there today. Always something new (and many times improved) in drivers, hybrids and irons. Putters and wedges tend to keep their form, or change evolutionary rather than revolutionary. I suppose one can buy a new putter every year and have "upgraded" to the latest tech, but one can also easily find a new putter with the same design as a putter made 25 years ago.

dParis, I am on my seventh set of clubs since I took up the sport in 1995. After replacing my first, beginner's set of junky discount store clubs with an used set of Hogans at the start of my second season playing golf, I have experienced exactly zero improvement or reduction in my overall scores. I've paid a lot of money for a top-tier 3-wood that was fitted for me that I could actually hit off the deck 240+ yards that was guaranteed to save me a stroke on 3 out of 4 par-5s I'd play. Ditto with an expensive tier-1 putter that was going to start dropping a lot more 10-15' putts. Yes, getting decent clubs, the Hogan blades, did make a difference for me and I did hit the ball significantly longer and straighter than with the discount store clubs, with scores that did fall throughout that second year of play, but those scores were never to go down significantly in years thereafter (except one 2-month period when I hit the range multiple times per week). But how about all the other clubs? No actual difference at all. I slice that $180 3-wood and hit worm burners with it off the deck every bit as often as with the Pro Kennex 3-wood I picked up at Sports Authority out of their clearance bin for $10.

I've only purchased one single club since that first set of Hogans that has made a difference - I bought a Titleist Vokey 58* sandwedge (got lucky to be the only bidder on an off-hour online auction and picked it up used for $28) and I'd say that I probably have 1-2 better chips or pitches with it per round than I did with my old Adams sandwedge because it has better balance and a better bounce angle.

However, every other miracle club that's going to change my game and cut strokes from my score, putters, switching from long irons to hybrids, etc... has utterly failed to improve my play whatsoever. My golf buddies report the same thing - they demo a club, it seems so much longer/straighter/nicer than their old club, so they plunk down their cash, pull the old club, put the new club in the bag, and stand back to watch how their scores impr ... no .... they stay the same.

I am firmly convinced that what 99% of golfers who are already playing with decent/high quality equipment should do is suppress that "Gotta acquire more new toys!" bug and take that money and instead apply it toward a couple of lessons and a dozen well-planned visits to the range. That, and not purchasing the brand new Acme X20000 SuperDriver! will help them play better golf.
 
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dParis

Hall of Fame
Golf equipment 'Ho's make tennis equipment 'Ho's look very tame by comparison. They can eclipse a whole tennis bag's worth of obsession over what kind of golf ball to hit.

Seven sets of clubs in 20 years isn't "Ho" level, but it more than doubles my pedestrian acquisition of clubs over the past 27 years. My first set were Spalding "Bernhard Langer" (wood) woods and cast, blade irons. I thought I was going to see great improvement when I picked up a set of Cobra 2 knock-offs with graphite shafts. Of course they did very little to help and perhaps even ******** my improvement. As I learned more about the swing, my game would have probably been better served using my old, cheap blades. I then picked up a set of MacGregor forged cb irons 10+ years ago and that's been it. I still have the 3 & 5 woods from the Cobra knock-off (Gallery?) set. I'll replace those at some point in the not too distant future, to something with a more refined feel.

I too picked up a Vokey wedge (56*14) about 15 years ago and while its grooves are probably over-worn, it's my favorite (and not coincidentally, most confident) club in my bag.

Two (2) putters in 27 years. I've had a Ping Anser2 forever. My kids will wonder what to do with it while picking through my things after I'm gone.

The club I have switched most often has been the driver and I'm pretty sure that's common to most golfers. The fact is, driver tech improvements are often real and tangible. My current Cally RazrFit is clearly longer and more forgiving than any of the four drivers I've previously carried (pairing it with the proper driver shaft for one's swing is an important component).

So, no, the clubs aren't the solution for lower scores. The Cally Apex irons I recently tried aren't going to dramatically lower my index by themselves. They are one of the sweetest feeling irons I've hit. That, the easy distance and ball flight, would make my time on the course and range a little more enjoyable, though.
 

CurrenFan

Rookie
DParis, that seven sets includes one set of Wilsons I picked up super cheap from a daily discount site, played two rounds with them, discovered they were too low end of clubs, and sold them at a garage sale, plus two more sets I picked up at the same time as my current set of Nike Slingshots. My girls did a last-minute grandma weekend a couple of years back leaving me unexpectedly a bachelor one autumn Friday night, so I had dinner at a restaurant my wife never wants to go to and then spent a couple of hours at my local Dick's Sporting Goods hitting clubs on their indoor range. It was a cold, rainy Friday and I was the only customer there so I hit a whole bunch of different irons and the one set that really stood out were Nike Slingshots, more of a beginner to intermediate club than I was initially considering, but they were going about 7 yards straighter and longer than any of the other clubs. They actually were on sale at a decent price, but the sales guy copped an attitude with me like I was keeping him from much more important things and imaginary customers, so I thanked him, walked away empty handed, and headed back home to shop online.

I started following some **** auctions, got lucky that no one else was bidding on them, and decided to bid at prices I thought I could still break-even on if I had to re-sell the clubs. So I ended up with 3 sets of clubs to demo, the costliest of which was something like $115 shipped, with the intent of keeping one of the three. I got a new set of Nickents (supposed to be a $700 set of clubs and the longest Golf or Golf Digest had ever tested) and two used sets of Nike Slingshots, one with steel, the other graphite shafts. The next day I took them to the range, figured out the Nikes hit a lot straighter and more consistent for me, so then I put the Nickents in the trunk (subsequently sold them to a friend) and went to a local course to try out the two Nike sets, with a rules-breaking mess of more than 20 clubs in the bag. The course, including the locked clubhouse, was deserted, I was standing on the first tee debating to tee off or go home when the pro drove up, told me the course was closing for the season that afternoon and wished me luck on my last, free round of golf, since he had already packed up the cash register. I played two balls for 9 holes, shot a 44 with the graphite clubs, shot a 41 with the steel-shafted ones, and liked the steel clubs since the graphite shafts felt too whippy. Sadly, I was never to repeat those sorts of scores again - I've been lucky to break 100 in the few seasons since then that I've been playing with the steel-shafted Nikes.

The Nikes play pretty well (my scores have worsened because increased numbers of slices and fat shots), but there's definitely some differences between the various clubs. I think there is something a bit off or wrong with the 6-iron - I seldom hit that one as straight as I can hit with the 7-iron or 5-iron, and the 4-iron is maybe the best club in the set. Some days, though, I kind of miss the Hogan blades. I can remember a few 4-irons I hit with those Hogans that had such a pure feel to the shot, the ball just effortlessly clicked off the face and rocketed dead straight toward the green.

From now on, though, I'm going to stick with Pings and highly recommend them to others I bought the Ping 3-wood, demoed a Ping G20 driver that seemed to be hitting better than my older Titleist 905T, but couldn't justify the $400 a new G20 cost. I got lucky again on an auction for an used G20 driver for about $112 and found that I did like it a bit better than my old Titleist. However, about the fifth time out, I'm warming up on the range when the ball makes a strange "clunk" sound off the clubface, I look at the club, and there's a big ol' crack right across the face of the driver. I contact Ping customer service, am totally honest with them about buying it used off **** (but do mention I just bought a new Ping 3-wood and putter) and ask about the cost to repair the club, knowing it wouldn't be under warranty since I had bought it used, not new from a dealer. I had to e-mail them a photo of the serial number to prove it was a genuine Ping but then they responded cryptically "Our clubs shouldn't crack unless there was a defect in the metal - send it in to us." A few days later I get an e-mail from a Ping CS manager saying "There was a defect in the metal - do you want your replacement to have the same shaft and loft? Give us your address and we'll ship you a new G20." Literally 18 hours later my dog starts barking, I look out the front door to see a FedEx truck driving away, and on my doorstep is a brand new Ping G20 driver. That kind of customer service (even though I wasn't even a real customer having bought it used) and commitment to stand behind their products is just incredible and any future clubs I buy (well, my next gap wedge is likely to be a Vokey since I like the SW so well) will be Pings. What a fantastic company.

Golf is frustrating for me because if you took the best 60-70% of my shots, they tend to be decent to really quite good, I can often look like a pretty good golfer, I can even shape my iron shots around trees (sometimes), and I can actually appreciate the feel of and take advantage of a better ball like a Pro-V1. It's those other 30-40% of shots, often accompanied by the lost ball or OB penalties that kill me - I usually have a few Tin Cup-like holes each round and when I don't, my generally OK, pretty uneventful putting suddenly reveals the potential for a couple of 4-putts. Golf is not like riding a bicycle for me and if I'm not playing a lot and hitting a lot of balls on the range (which I never have time to do), my game really deteriorates.
 

dParis

Hall of Fame
Hard to pay retail when there's so much available on the 2nd hand market. My last three drivers were all bought off e*** for ridiculously cheap prices. My RazrFit, for example, I bought the club head only. I then bought a shaft and had it put together at a PGA Superstore. So I ended up paying $100 for a properly shafted driver while the club, and it's crappy stock shaft, was retailing for $300+. The last club I bought off the shelf was the Vokey, and even that was with a pro shop's late season close out deal.

I practice much more than I play nowadays. There is a course right down the street from me with great practice facilities. It's too difficult to get those 5+ hour chunks of time available to play a full round. In even less time than it takes to play 9 holes, at the range I can hit more balls and spend way more time where it counts - around the greens. I score better now than I did when I played more.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Tiger enters the final round in third, two shots back of Jason Gore. He needs a solo second place finish to qualify for the FedEx Cup's first event next week. Can he do it???
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
The beast is unleashed! Jason Day ran away with The Barclay's title, closing with a 62. Combined with Spieth's missed cut, the win vaults Day to the FedEx Cup lead.

On to The Deutsche Bank Championship near Boston and its Monday finish.
 

Bad_Knee

Professional
I think we're really entering a golden era in golf right now... We are going to see Mcilroy/Spieth/Day battling down the stretch in majors for years, and all have such contrasting games and are very likeable...then behind those guys are a bunch of guys that can get hot and challenge them, Rose, DJ, Bubba etc....I don't think Tiger is finished yet either, and you know Phil is going to randomly have a good major every now and then.

I am excite..
 

Bad_Knee

Professional
Spieth +3 thru 5, 6 shots behind day....I think everything is pointing to Spieth simply being burnt out, and who could hold that against him given the season he has had and how young he is.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Chicago has become very important for Spieth to stop the bleeding from two consecutive missed cuts, even though he moved back to world #1 with weak finishes in Boston for both McIlroy and Day.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Day tore it up 1R with a 61 but young Daniel Berger is on his heels, one shot back in the middle of 2R. Should we, as tennis fans, be pulling for Jay Berger's son???

Spieth will make the cut (currently -7) but has a handful of players to jump to play late on the weekend.
 

dlk

Hall of Fame
Day tore it up 1R with a 61 but young Daniel Berger is on his heels, one shot back in the middle of 2R. Should we, as tennis fans, be pulling for Jay Berger's son???

Spieth will make the cut (currently -7) but has a handful of players to jump to play late on the weekend.

What's Day at -14?
 

dlk

Hall of Fame
This latest setback shows it's his body as much as his mind that is betraying him. Years and years of one of the most vicious swing styles in history has taken its toll on his knees and his back. It will not be easy to adjust his approach to a less stressful technique.

Yeah, if he comes back to win a Slam, I would consider it the same as winning his first ten. Wow, father-time has our numbers; you pay to play; etc...
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Stenson leads by three over Spieth halfway through The Tour Championship. The three others (Day, McIlroy and Fowler) that automatically win the $10million top prize with a win are way back so this should be match play between Stenson and Spieth.
 

dParis

Hall of Fame
Stenson leads by three over Spieth halfway through The Tour Championship. The three others (Day, McIlroy and Fowler) that automatically win the $10million top prize with a win are way back so this should be match play between Stenson and Spieth.
You kids with the photoshop are so creative. How about your standard avatar with The Great Poob's visage superimposed over a young Tomas?

Congrats to Jordan. A great finish to a historic year.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
how about some golf 'in the wild' ? :)

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stringertom

Bionic Poster
Best President's Cup since the Tie In The Dark in South Africa'03. Drama to the last shots in the last groups as the U.S. barely retains the Cup.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I'm watching a bit of the WGC matchplay with Rory vs Jason Day (new world number 1)
The SF wasn't on my schedule but it is being billed as an "instant classic" by NBC's booth prior to the Day vs Oosthuizen final. Day won 1-up with a pressure-packed up-and-down on #18.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
The SF wasn't on my schedule but it is being billed as an "instant classic" by NBC's booth prior to the Day vs Oosthuizen final. Day won 1-up with a pressure-packed up-and-down on #18.

I see he beat Oosthuizen in the final. I got up to the 8 or 9 earlier on. Day seemed to have the edge, had a feeling when I checked later that he would be the winner.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I see he beat Oosthuizen in the final. I got up to the 8 or 9 earlier on. Day seemed to have the edge, had a feeling when I checked later that he would be the winner.
Rory/Jason SF was tight the whole way with great shotmaking by both. Day rolled the ball more consistently FTW. The new 1" longer putter has helped. The slo-mo shows how true it's revolving to give him great control.

Augusta is going to be some tournament with Spieth defending, Bubba and Scott playing so well, Oostie always a threat and now Day perched at the top of the rankings and having already gotten his first slam.
 
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