The greatest of this era will be GOAT until we die?

Lew II

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
 
Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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I think so. Whoever win at Djokovic/Federer/Nadal competition will keep his record in next 50 years.
 
I think there has to be time gap between the moment last of them 3 retires and the moment some insanely talented kid turns pro, the one similar to Sampras retires - gap - Djokovic enters. And then several years more of unreal development before he becomes a remote contender, and several years more to prove ombeleeble consistency at the highest level.

So, it is roughly 10 years during which your claim is pretty much safe bet. Words insane unreal and ombeleeble are a hint 10 years might increase it to a much longer period.

However, what were the odds for having these three with their cariers overlaping the way they do? But it happened.

We simply cannot know the correct answer, recency bias or not.

But it better be at least 2 of them to push each other beyond limits. We know it works.
 
I’m sure if a NextGenner or NextNextGenner etc comes around and surpasses Nole (assuming he’ll finish on top), you’ll be back devising ways and cherry-picking stats to make it look like Djoko is always ahead. You’re the best at it Lew.
 
Druss said:
I’m sure if a NextGenner or NextNextGenner etc comes around and surpasses Nole (assuming he’ll finish on top), you’ll be back devising ways and cherry-picking stats to make it look like Djoko is always ahead. You’re the best at it Lew.
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2011-16 peak will be hard to surpass.
 
The only useful information in this thread is that the OP is 28. I thought that he is half that, which would have brought him around 14 years more to enjoy the GOAT debates.

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Easily. The world waited nearly 50 years for another man to win all FOUR majors in a row.
Many of the records set by the Big 3 will last more than 50 years.
 
Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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I just ran your adjusted age through one of your spreadsheets. Turns out you have 8,967 years left.
 
weakera said:
Pretty pessimistic to give yourself until 78 when considering the advancement of modern medicine.
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People that are out of work don't have a good medical insurance from what I have heard, and right now it is obvious that Italy has lots of problems in that sector.

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Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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50 years ago it was 1970. At that time the Australian Open was not relevant so players competed for 3 slams a year. Slams were not the be all of tennis Other events were relevant but the vast majority of tennis fans don't know about them nor care about them, and judge these players on the current structure of the tour.

The same will happen to your darling. In the next 20 years the tour will change a lot, they will add a fifth slam in China and a sixth in Ryad. At the same time Team-Cup events will floorish and at some point these events will replace the slam. Lowly ranked tennis players won't have any money and the challenger tour will be scraped in favor of the SUPER 50 NEW AWESOME ELITE TOUR, with only the 50 best players in the world competing against each other. One of them will win 10 of the whatever are the dominant events of his time and be declared the GOAT of all time until the end of time.

Now probably things won't happen exactly as I described, but changes will happen and it will completely change how players are evaluated and rated. People will **** of our beloved trio.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
People that are out of work don't have a good medical insurance from what I have heard, and right now it is obvious that Italy has lots of problems in that sector.

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No, it was an outbreak at hospitals where most of people have immunity compromised. Hence, the greater mortality.

Unlike bacteria, personal immunity against viruses is defined much more by DNA and lifestyle (food, physical activity, sleep habits, mindset).
 
Nah. Contrary to the desperate claims of a certain fan base, the level of an average pro in pretty much all sports gets better over time. Just look at the NFL, NBA now compared to the 90s.

The big 3 era is special. 3 amazingly elite guys. All it takes in the future is for a single amazingly elite dude to tower above the rest and the record would be smashed. Pretty much all 3 of the big 3 would be looking at 30ish slams if the other 2 didn’t exist.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
People that are out of work don't have a good medical insurance from what I have heard, and right now it is obvious that Italy has lots of problems in that sector.

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You know, there are countries in the world, where even people that don't work has right for medical care... Italy is one of those countries, I think...
 
Unless they do something to radically alter the nature of the game that seems highly unlikely.

Assuming of course that when you talk about GOAT you're talking purely about racking up high numbers.
 
Wouldn't be so sure, the surface homogenization is ripe for domination. Also while tennis seems to lag quite a bit in attracting talent compared to other sports now (no young star in two generations) that may make it that much easier for one guy with ATG talent who comes up in the future to utterly destroy the tour.
 
zagor said:
Wouldn't be so sure, the surface homogenization is ripe for domination. Also while tennis seems to lag quite a bit in attracting talent compared to other sports now (no young star in two generations) that may make it that much easier for one guy with ATG talent who comes up in the future to utterly destroy the tour.
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Surfaces may change in the future depending on how far you are going foward.
 
beard said:
I almost choked laughing... Please stop...
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More slams more time at number 1, stronger competition etc.

2004-2009:
14 slams
237 consecutive weeks at number 1
4 Wimbledon(+1 in 2003 and 5 USO in a row
4 YEC
50 titles

2011-2016:
11 slams
5 YEC
48 titles

It’s clear Federer peaked higher. Djokovic will likely have better longevity thanks to piling up slams at an alarming rate in 30s lol.
 
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Not likely, I think. This a sport where, whenever we think someone has unlocked a level of unbreakable records, someone comes up and takes them over. The great thing about what the Big 3 has done is whoever the next GOAT is will have to achieve an incredible level of consistency and dominance to reach the summit, which is not what Federer had to do to overtake Sampras (even though he did).
 
zagor said:
Wouldn't be so sure, the surface homogenization is ripe for domination. Also while tennis seems to lag quite a bit in attracting talent compared to other sports now (no young star in two generations) that may make it that much easier for one guy with ATG talent who comes up in the future to utterly destroy the tour.
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I agree with that. Just imagine what will happen if indeed someone as good as the Big 3 will come up again but is "alone" in his era. That would mean something around 30 Slams for sure.
 
Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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Pete's fans thought the same not more before two decades . did they all die ?!
 
Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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ppl usually make this mistake ! think they've seen the world , think they're all smart with all the stats in their favour !

then a wawrinka comes !
 
ChrisRF said:
I agree with that. Just imagine what will happen if indeed someone as good as the Big 3 will come up again but is "alone" in his era. That would mean something around 30 Slams for sure.
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Pretty much. Of course, first we have to see how high of a bar will Djokodal set. At this point, I could see them ending up with 25+ slams easily.
 
dellealpi10 said:
Maybe 25 GSs is the limitation of human I think.
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I doubt this. How many slams would Fed have if either of Nadal/Djokovic hadn’t existed. Some time someone will be around their level with nobody else nearby. They may well clean up for a decade. And people who never saw this era will call that person GOAT.
 
Lew II said:
I'm 28, I think I have around 50 more years to live.

Will I, or any of us, ever experience someone greater than Djokovic/Federer/Nadal?

Next gen struggle to make a slam final. Winning slams is not as easy as Big3 made it look like.

There's a good possibility that whoever will be the greatest at the end of this era may be the greatest we will ever experience in our lives. :oops:
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SamprasisGOAT
 
weakera said:
Pretty pessimistic to give yourself until 78 when considering the advancement of modern medicine.
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Yep, OP should get out and get some fresh air and exercise. Maybe take up a sport. Could try tennis, all you need is a spreadsheet, sorry, racquet, and some shoes.
 
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