The gut/poly thread

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  1. lemintz

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    Yeah I know what you mean. Is your blade 16/19? My experience is similar to yours with multis. But it seems that Velocity is a different kind of multi and doesn't fray or shred quickly like a lot of others. It does notch with poly in the crosses, and after 9-10 hrs it was notched almost half way through, but still played nicely and didn't seem to lose tension. Very interesting, unique and good string
     
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  2. ByeByePoly

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    No fraying @24 hours ... safe to say it's not going to :p
     
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  3. Hansen

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    the problem was that the zyex/poly combo had a lot of vibrations
     
  4. muph

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    I'm playing a Pure Strike 16/19, my friend's Blade 98 is 18/20. Interesting to hear about Velocity, I had it on my list as a possible option for a multi but discarded the whole idea of a multi hybrid after I went through Xcel so quickly. May give it a shot if it really stays alive that long but first I'd like to try ZX as I have 2 sets lying around.

    Have you crossed ZX with any other strings than poly?
     
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  6. Hansen

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    yes,i also used zyex with gamma tnt2 (crosses).
    in general zyex fun to play with but not suited for matchplay, in my opinion.
     
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  8. muph

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    Put 12 g from my Pure Strike's handle into the hoop today going 4 pts. less head light to make it feel more like the Blade. Was awesome to hit with but raising the swing weight by 40 now I got too much power again :D Hawk crosses here I come haha!
     
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  9. muph

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    I was thinking since the gut isn't showing pretty much ANY notching yet after 6-7 hrs (crosses: Revolve Spin 17) if I should put in thinner crosses next time around to help with spin...? Or would it reduce durability of the gut a whole lot?

    [Edit: replaced Revolve 17 in the crosses with Hawk 17 to further reduce power a bit will test drive it these days.]
     
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  10. ultradr

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    zyex's best use is in the cross.
     
  11. aaron_h27

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    Hey everyone new to gut/poly hybrids, I used a full bed of wilson natural gut for about 6 weeks and the crosses broke recently, I figured I could salvage the mains and just re-string the crosses with a poly. If I initally strung my gut at 55 lbs 6 weeks ago, what should i string the crosses at? I tried Alu Power Rough at 55 lbs in the crosses for 2 days and my arm was on fire...so i had to cut it out. I want to re-try but I will try stringing the poly at like 42 lbs. What do you all do?
     
  12. speedysteve

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    I go high 40s on a lock out machine so that is around mid to low 40's esp once it's bedded in.
    I've found I can only take poly on open string racquets. 16 x 18 is okay. 18 X 20 no go.
    I use Klip Legend / Wilson Revolve.

    I'm using Klip Legend / Prince Synth (slick but forget which one) in a 18 X 20 and find that is okay.
     
  13. muph

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    Never played full gut how was that spin-wise?

    Gut is supposed to have the best tension maintenance out of all the string materials so it shouldn't lose all that much even after 6 weeks. If I was you I'd go for a smooth round poly though, the Alu Power Rough will saw through your remaining gut main strings pretty fast I would suspect. Lynx, Revolve, Hawk, Max Power, 4G: all strings that have been recommended a lot around here they're all smooth and round polys with good tension maintenance.

    42 lbs. sounds a little low to me, might be that you'll have to handle a whole handful of power from the gut.

    If you're looking for a comfortable poly cross Revolve might be for you...

     
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  14. speedysteve

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    Nice analysis there.

    Looks like I'm right at home on Revolve in that analysis.
     
  15. muph

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    Played Longevity/Hawk today. Feel like I have all that power more or less :D under control now but the springbed felt almost harsh compared to Lynx and Revolve. And quite a bit less spin it seems...

    After 7 1/2 hours of hitting the Longevity is fraying a bit but has almost no notches! I don't see this string breaking ANYtime soon. Might restring soon though to raise tension in the mains +1 or 2 kg and go back to Revolve crosses. My buddy mistakenly bought Ball Feel instead of Longevity so I'll give that a try and a thinner-than-1.25-gauge Revolve would be awesome to try for increased spin but doesn't seem like they produce it... shouldn't have demoed 2 Blades with copoly setups now I'm missing that spin :p

    Which copoly could compare to Revolve where thinner gauges are available?

    Edit: Lynx is too lively, Hawk too crisp. I've played Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.15 (stiffness 182.9 for 51 lbs. and fast swing speed) and liked it but that was as a cross with Xcel. Max Power and 4G are probably not comfortable enough. MSV Co-Focus 1.18 (stiffness 185.7 and little static tension loss)? Wondering how much faster the thinner gauges would go through the gut...

    Maybe @SpinToWin you can help me out? Would really appreciate it.
     
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  16. SpinToWin

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    RS Lyon 1.20 may be worth a shot.
    Also Solinco Outlast 18
    Finally I seem to recall Prince Tour XT getting great numbers in regards to string to string friction
     
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  17. muph

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    Awesome, thanks a lot! Just ordered Lyon and Tour XT.
     
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  18. Downtheline1

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    I tried gut mains at 57 with Tourna Black Zone crosses at 54 in my Wilson RF 97 with good results.
    Power, touch, directional control were all good.

    For those playing the RF 97, what crosses do you like to use?
     
  19. purdyd

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    I just restrung with Babolat VS 16g gut and Head Hawk 16G poly

    From Babolat VS 16g gut and Head Lynx 16G

    Probably waited far too long to restring but from my fuzzy memory of the Lynx when first strung, the Hawk seems more plush

    too many variables, like stringing my own racquets but pleased with the result

    I don't know what anyone else thinks or if there are any tricks but poly is miserable to tie compared with other types of strings
     
  20. muph

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    To me Hawk seemed harsher than Lynx, even when stringing but I like your setup! :cool: which Blade is that you're playing? On my Blade 98 18x20 I really liked Tonic+ Longevity/Revolve 1.25 @28/27. For my next setup I'll try Tonic+ Ball Feel/RS Lyon 1.20 @29/27 to see if I can get spin a little easier...
     
  21. purdyd

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    16x19 blade 56 lbs gut and 53 lbs poly

    maybe the lynx was dead,

    the gut was pretty notched by the time I restrung

    i was going to try revolve with wilson gut next restringing

    RS Lyon seems to be less slippery than revolve or head hawk?
     
  22. muph

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    True, Lyon has got a bit higher string to string COF than both Revolve and Hawk but I'll have to test drive the setup to see if this results in less snapback in combination with gut. I'm curious to see if I can generate easier spin with thinner crosses w/o sacrificing too much durability on the gut.

    I'm waiting to receive a set each of Lyon 1.20 and also Prince Tour XT 1.18. XT has almost identical string to string COF to Revolve so this would be my next try...
     
  23. speedysteve

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    Having hit with a Redondo 18x20 gut / synth, and played a couple of matches with it, I returned to the trough of gut poly strung in my beloved Prince EXO3 16x18 Tour 100's again. Klip leg and Revolve. Ooh that's nice.
     
  24. TennisBoysCousin

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    Are there any soft copolys out there that are slick, good tension maintanence, and resist denting? Rs Lyon seems to be in this category, from what I have understood. I would like a cross that is nice on the arm, that won't lose tension so quickly like I have read of revolve.
     
  25. SpinToWin

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    Maybe Isospeed Cream?

    @ByeByePoly
     
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  26. KaiserW

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    That's a nice setup in the RF, have used it before. I am currently using Revolve 17. Revolve has more spin but also more power than Black Zone. My ball is more dangerous with Revolve but the control is better with Black Zone.

    When it breaks I am going to try RPM Blast. I know most say a smooth poly is better for a cross but I am curious to try it since I liked RPM Blast when I used it in my 6.1 95S.
     
  27. Traffic

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    No. Isospeed Cream crossed with gut main is a horrible idea. Don't do it. Don't buy up all my supply of Cream.
     
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  28. ByeByePoly

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    That was selfish ... but well played.
     
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  29. TennisBoysCousin

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    Target acquired, "isospeed cream". Computer, set launch angle, "launch angle set".Blastoff in three, two, one...
     
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  30. Traffic

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    I had to try. I'm absolutely loving VS/Cream. I had a great round of tennis with my son yesterday. You know those times when your serves are going in very well and your ground strokes are so sharp? Of course I had my stupid UEs when I create the point and just need to close the deal with an easy OH and well...let's not talk about it.

    But setting up the point felt so easy with the spin, comfort, feel...oh so good.
     
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  31. ByeByePoly

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    Gut elitist
     
  32. TennisBoysCousin

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    How's the tension maintanence and resistance to notching? Is it better than your typical soft poly? I hear the softer polys usually suck in these categories.
     
  33. Traffic

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    I'll have to take another RT reading. But I have not "felt" any significant changes to tension. I'm on about hour 6. I have very light fraying on both gut and soft poly. But I'm not a string breaker. More of a notcher on the mains.
     
  34. Downtheline1

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    Thanks. I want for more control, so I'll stick with BZ as a cross.

    I would be interested to know how RPM Blast works out for you in the RF97.
     
  35. TennisBoysCousin

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    I'll give cream cross a shot, thanks for the info! I'll hybrid it with either gut or Velocity and post back with results!

    Also, a few other crosses I have considered are WC Silver string or scorpion. Any experience with these two crosses? Do they have the desirable traits of a nice string cross?
     
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  36. Traffic

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    Silverstring is not a particularly slick cross string. It is lower powered and seems to maintain tension adequately (for a poly). No experience with Scorpion.
     
  37. Traffic

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    RT says 49.7 off the stringer. 6/21
    46.7 after 5hrs. 6/25
    46.3 today after 6hrs. 7/3.
     
  38. Fabolous-vs

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    Hi friends.

    I played a lot with VS Touch (mains) und YPTP (crosses). Then I switched to X-One Biphase (mains) and YPTP (crosses), however, after every match my arm and my should hurts. I play 4-5 times a week. Therefore I am going to switch back to gut/poly. Do you guys have any must-try string what I can use instead of YPTP?

    Thanks.
     
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  39. speedysteve

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    If you like YPTP you might like Wilson Revolve. I found Revolve a little more forgiving, just as slick if not slicker, lasts okay for me and it's orange :)
     
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    Finally got around to stringing up one of my rackets with VS Babolat Touch 16g (60 lbs) in the mains and Wilson Revolve 16g (57 lbs) in the crosses. Had a match yesterday so I decided to start warming up with it. Liked the feel from the first ball. Felt I could really hit out on the ball and had pretty good spin. No pain at all in my elbow. Now to see how long this setup will last.
     
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  41. Borrelli

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    I've been using MSV Co Focus in my crosses for a while now due to their softness but I'm getting the worst "pinging" noise from my string bed when I hit. It just doesn't sound solid at all. Any recommendations for a soft poly cross that will maintain tension and not sound like this?

    Thanks
     
  42. TennisBoysCousin

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    I have personally found that tying a rubber band in between the two central mains does a great job removing the ping sound without adding much additional weight, maybe like .5 grams or so. There are many talk tennis tutorials on the forum if you search for them.
     
  43. SpinToWin

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    Isospeed Cream seems to fit the bill I think.
     
  44. ByeByePoly

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    No Tonic/Cream ping ... smooth as butter ... creamy butter. :rolleyes:
     
  45. muph

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    I'm having a hard time getting my hands on Tonic+ Longevity, even at online retailers - is there a noticeable difference in lifespan compared to Ball Feel? That one I can easily pick up in stores here...
     
  46. ByeByePoly

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    What's ball feel? And why does that sound so dirty? :D

    My stringer had tonic.
     
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  47. dave t

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    Ball feel is the thinner gauge of tonic and longevity is the thicker. I think they're supposed to be like 16L/15L, respectively. But not 100% sure on that. Longevity almost lasted too long for me, ball feel is plenty durable in my blades. Maybe a little more spin too...
     
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  48. mrtrinh

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    Just tried luxilon gut/alu soft on my 100p at 52/48. I have to say luxilon gut feels a lot like babolat vs. The power and spin was nice but it didn't offer that pocket feeling i like with Pacific classic gut/4G. Maybe I need to drop the tension a little but I'll have a run at it again on monday.
     
  49. muph

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    Yeah, Ball Feel is supposedly "<1.35mm" and Longevity ">1.35mm" with some thickness variation as opposed to Babolat VS.

    @dave t: are you playing the 18x20 Blade 98?
     
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