The gut/poly thread

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  1. aaron_h27

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    Any difference in Tonic 16 vs Touch 16?
     
  2. SpinToWin

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    Some variance in gauge size and so. Touch has better consistency and tends to be thinner. Otherwise I’m not sure
     
  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    It's $7-9 cheaper.
     
  4. aaron_h27

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    In terms of playability?
     
  5. Taita87

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    Hi, if I want to use the tonic in the mains, what poly do you reccomend to hybrid having good durability (at least 15 hours) and control/spin potential?
    Too many pages to look after :(
     
  6. letplaytennis

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    I've been using Tourna Silver 16g. Next up will be IsoSpeed Cream 17g as I have heard nothing but great things about them both. Both have a low coefficient of friction.
     
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    Check out the index in the first page of this thread.
    Wilson revolve seems to be a good choice. Yet to try it though. Also try luxilon 4G and solinco outlast.
     
  8. ArliHawk

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    3 to try:

    Kirschbaum Evolution
    Kirschbaum Pro Line 2
    Weiss Cannon Silverstring.

    I have found all to have solid tension maintenance.
     
  9. remy0667

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    Luxilon 4G , Luxilon Alu , Wilson Revolve .
     
  10. 4-string

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    Nothing beats Wilson or Babolat 1.30 gut mains, and Kirschbaum Max Power rough 1.25 crosses IMO.

    I’m done experimenting (famous last words).
     
  11. Jonathan P.

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    Hi, has anyone tried the new wilson natural gut? how it compares to babolat VS and Luxilon natual gut?
     
  12. Jonathan P.

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    I hear the Kirschbaum Max Power rough play very similar to rmp blast in the crosses... I tried VS mains with rmp blast 17, revolve 17, head hawk 17 and enjoy the rpm the most but durability was poor, around 8h for the rpm and 15+ hours for the revolve and the hawk. Still have to try the cream and the tourna black.
     
  13. ckhirnigs113

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    In case it’s helpful, Cream crosses broke in less than 6 hours in my hybrid with Tonic Longevity mains. I’ve also used Max Power, Revolve, and synthetic gut with Tonic Mains, and the mains always broke first. I got much better durability with all the other crosses versus Cream.

    Another poster here @Hansen also reports getting about 5 hours out of Cream crosses before they break. To be fair, the Cream crosses do play well while in the hybrid.
     
  14. SpinToWin

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    Max Power IMO produces the best control potential across the stringbed life.

    Do check out the index of posts on the first page.
     
  15. letplaytennis

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    Ordered some Babolat nat gut since they're 3 for 2.

    Now that I have a stringing machine of my own, I think I'll get away from nat gut for a while and simply string more frequently when the strings become dead. Can't beat a full bed for under $4, and I'm doing the stringing. So far the best investment has been the stringing machine.
     
  16. Taita87

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    Where?


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    tennis warehouse of cource :)
     
  18. letplaytennis

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    Tennis Warehouse.
     
  19. Taita87

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    Ah... Not available for the discount in Europe


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  20. muph

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    I feel like I pretty much found myself a permanent setup after testing a lot of combos - Tonic+ Longevity/Prince Tour XT 1.18 just feels so right (launch angle, control, ball grab, power, crispness, spin) I can literally control balls that I'm hitting as hard as I physically can! After around 9 hrs it seems balls have started to fly wide though, control has gone down quite a bit. I'm stringing myself (still takes me a loong time to string a racquet though haha!) which makes it less of a deal but I'm still hoping I can find a combo that plays just like Tonic+/XT only lasts a couple hours longer.

    I still have half sets of RS Lyon 1.20 (didn't care much for it the first time around but I've come a long way since then; read here its spin potential is so-so...?) and Wilson Revolve 1.25 (never tried it in the Blade; most players here seem to really dig it only for the first 3-4 hours). Looking at TW's String Performance Database I haven't quite understood which one of the tension loss attributes is the crucial one to look out for. XT has a lower static tension loss (5.12) than Revolve (6.17) but loses on total loss (21.6 as opposed to Revolve's 19.8).

    Are RS Lyon or Wilson Revolve worth the try? Or does someone have any other recommendations? Until I tried XT my favorite poly to pair with Tonic had been Isospeed Tournament+ (prefer the crisper feel of XT, and it dies even quicker), after that: Head Lynx 1.25.
     
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  21. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Jeez, 1.18? Doesn't that just saw right through your gut?

    I've had to go up in cross thickness to prolong the life in my gut mains.
     
  22. ArliHawk

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    Loving Tonic and Kirschbaum evolution in my pure aero. Going to try Klip as the main next time.
     
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  23. The Big Kahuna

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    That is why I use LTEC Flex as a cross string. It was developed exclusively as a cross for Poly mains and is elastic - like gut - but more durable and slippery than natural gut. It’s great with thin polys in a hybrid.


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  24. muph

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    So you've tried thinner crosses with gut and it wasn't working out? How fast did it kill the gut?

    It's true, I had been prepared for the gut to get slaughtered fast but so far I've got 11.5 hrs on it and the Tonic looks good to me. May be that the slickness of the crosses plays an important role to do less damage. Anything above 20 hours for the Tonic and I'll be happy. At this point I'm willing to sacrifice some string lifetime because the setup feels so much better than I thought before was even possible!
     
  25. muph

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    Can't find out if Evolution is a round poly? What are you hoping to get with Klip compared to Tonic?
     
  26. SpinToWin

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    I'd go with revolve myself.

    If you want playability duration, especially in the sense of prolonged control, as always, I recommend the Kirschaum Max Power line of strings.
     
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  27. muph

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    Oh boy, you're playing a 1.05 gauge (in the mains!) in a 104 Blade?! :eek: wasn't even aware there WERE strings that thin! How many hours are you getting out of your setup?
     
  28. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I was using MSV Co-Focus 1.18 maybe 3 years ago, and it sawed through my gut pretty fast. I think I got an additional 2-4 hours when I went up in thickness to 1.23mm.
     
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  29. ArliHawk

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    Evolution is a round poly. Just seeing if I have a preference between Klip and Tonic. Of course Klip is a little cheaper.
     
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    I had a half set of Prince NG left over for a long time. I had put it off and finally used it in my TC97 18x20 with Volkl vStar. It strung up nicely and had a couple good hits with it only. Teaching Pro that I work with hit with it and really liked it. I can feel the free power and the coach I hit with said the ball felt heavier than a full bed of poly in a TC95 16x19. I was hitting all over the place and wasn't warmed up or in sync so who knows.

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    Getting my shipment of 17 gauge VS tomorrow and I'm not sure what to cross it with in my YT Prestige MP's. I have a few choices, but my main concerns are playability duration and durability. I have a few polys to choose from; ALU Power 1.25, Luxilon Adrenaline 1.25, Technifibre Pro Red Code Wax 16g, Babolat RPM Team 17g, and Prince Tour XR in 15L and 17 gauge. I will also have Sonic Pro Edge in a few weeks when my reel comes from England (I got a really nice price). The only experience I've had with gut/poly was with 15l tonic and 4g crosses in my GXT Speed Pro. I'm just not sure where to start, anyone have any suggestions? I would like to stay away from ALU Power simply because it turns into mush pretty fast.
     
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    So I decided to depart from the tourna silver I'm the crosses and tried isospeed cream 17 in the crosses @ 56lbs and stayed with the Klip nat gut in the mains @59lbs. Such a big mistake.

    I had a difficult time keeping the ball inside the baseline. Just simply too powerful, even with the top spin I generate. Balls were launching higher and going deeper, just could not adjust. And the kicker is that the crosses, the isospeed cream, didn't even last a hitting session, breaking within 2 hours.

    I restrung the crosses with tourna silver as I still have the isospeed cream in my backup racket and will see if this was a fluke. Good thing I restrung myself, otherwise this wouldn't make sense, but still, 2hours is not satisfactory.
     
  34. The Big Kahuna

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    I have yet to break a string - and I do hit the ball hard. Keep in mind the Blade 104 is a denser string pattern. I would likely go thicker with the Poly if I was hitting with a 16 x 19 racquet.

    I usually cut out the strings after 15-20 hours.


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    Best SMOOTH Poly Strings for Crosses in Natural Gut Hybrids (non-textured)

    MSV Co-Focus
    Yonex Poly Tour Pro 125
    Tecnifibre Black Code
    Kirschbaum Pro Line No. II
    Signum Pro Poly Plasma
    Prince Beast XP
    WeissCANNON Silverstring
    WeissCANNON Scorpion
    Signum Pro Hyperion

    Compiled from reviews on Stringforum 2012-2017.

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  36. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Most of your selection is not conducive for durability... 17g gut, shaped polys...
     
  37. djNEiGht

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    use which ever string is smooth. XR might be the ticket as well as ALU (not knowing which version you have though)
     
  38. rogerroger917

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    Just use the precut vs16/rpm17 babolat hybrid packs. Lasts till it breaks. Durability is weeks not days. Unless you are ocd and can feel a 5lb tensions change that makes your balls fly out.... 5lbs is about the max it loses tension from playing.
     
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    How is it making it worse and how much do you use your forehand? (80%FH or...)
     
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    I picked up a few sets since I've never tried the nat gut. Comes out similarly priced as the Klip nat gut I'm currently playing with.
     
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    it is 100X better than clip
     

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