The gut/poly thread

VAJ

New User
Gut/Syn Gut? Anyone try and recommended for or against Nat Gut mains and Syn Gut crosses?
I have played with Wilson Champion's Choice Duo Hybrid and it's good but not great. I want to use Nat Gut 17 in the mains and a cross that's softer than the Wilson poly crosses. Leaning more toward comfort and feel.
 

gplracer

Hall of Fame
Gut/poly can feel harsh if the crosses are 'flat' or if playing on clay and the abrasion makes the gut 'stick' to the crosses. I sometimes see the gut mains not snapping back just like 'dead' poly. Only happens after playing a lot on clay with the setup.
50lbs ALU/Element also feels great in the RF97.
Between the RF97 and the PS97 which stick do you mostly play with?
I have been out of the loop for a while. My son played over 600 USSTA junior matches and is now playing in college. I just got back into playing. I love hitting with the RF97. There is no racket that feels better. It reminds me of the original Wilson Pro Staff 85 and the Wilson 6.1 95. That said the PS97 is easier to play with. I was playing mostly with the PS97 but recently I started hitting again and I love the RF97. Spin and power are so easy with it. It feels plush when I hit the ball. Right now I am gong back and forth between both of them.
 

FIRETennis

Professional
I have been out of the loop for a while. My son played over 600 USSTA junior matches and is now playing in college. I just got back into playing. I love hitting with the RF97. There is no racket that feels better. It reminds me of the original Wilson Pro Staff 85 and the Wilson 6.1 95. That said the PS97 is easier to play with. I was playing mostly with the PS97 but recently I started hitting again and I love the RF97. Spin and power are so easy with it. It feels plush when I hit the ball. Right now I am gong back and forth between both of them.
So interesting that your experiences is similar to most player's impression of the two frames. I will demo a PS97 v13 this weekend but mostly playing the RF97 and the Blade 98. There's no comparison between the two, very different but at the same time it's easy to switch from one to another. In regards to the RF97, I found that replacing the leather grip with a Skin Feel or Featherthin grip shaves off about 16g and makes it very manageable at 349g strung with VS16/Element. Interestingly enough, it doesn't lose its plow and other magic dust.
 

Wheelz

Professional
I’ve been trying without a differential lately. I was wondering why a differential when the poly will loose more tension then the gut ?
 

Wheelz

Professional
Simple answer: gut plays well at higher tension and poly plays best at lower tension.
Yes I like my Poly in the low 40s usually. Just find the big differential gets even bigger with tension lost. I will test as I don't mind restringing just the cross.
 

Happi

Professional
Yes I like my Poly in the low 40s usually. Just find the big differential gets even bigger with tension lost. I will test as I don't mind restringing just the cross.
Gut also plays great at lower tension, so I generally string my gut / poly lower than the test of the croud here. I also just testring the crosses, never any problems with that.
 

cortado

Professional
Just bought a Yonex VCore HD that came strung with gut/yonex polytour pro at 52lbs. Feels amazing. I'm going to have to try this in my PS90.
 

aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
I might have found my holy grail set-up for my Head Mircogel Radical MP.

Luxilon Gut 1.30 / Alu Power 1.25 (61 lbs)

I've been using 1.25 gut the past few months, but 1.30 gut is just much more predictable. Even in 18x20. I don't notice any loss of spin, I feel like spin is the same since the crosses are the same gauge, but the thicker mains give me a little extra control.
 

NRMM

Rookie
Anyone has used VS 16 / Lynx Tour 17 and if yes any tension recommendations for optimal control/launch angle on an Ezone 98+ ?
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
Gut/Syn Gut? Anyone try and recommended for or against Nat Gut mains and Syn Gut crosses?
I have played with Wilson Champion's Choice Duo Hybrid and it's good but not great. I want to use Nat Gut 17 in the mains and a cross that's softer than the Wilson poly crosses. Leaning more toward comfort and feel.
I just strung Vs Touch 16/Sheep Micro 16 at 58/58 in a Clash tour. My first foray into natural gut, I'm excited to try it out.
 

gplracer

Hall of Fame
So interesting that your experiences is similar to most player's impression of the two frames. I will demo a PS97 v13 this weekend but mostly playing the RF97 and the Blade 98. There's no comparison between the two, very different but at the same time it's easy to switch from one to another. In regards to the RF97, I found that replacing the leather grip with a Skin Feel or Featherthin grip shaves off about 16g and makes it very manageable at 349g strung with VS16/Element. Interestingly enough, it doesn't lose its plow and other magic dust.
That is cool to hear. Maybe i will take the leather grip off and try that.
 
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nov

Semi-Pro
Hello, im playing with Head Gravity Pro with VS Touch black 16 25.5kg mains and Wilson Revolve 17 25.5kg crosses. I would like to try VS touch 17 (aka VS Team 17) for mains and wondering how much power i will gain and how much durability will decrease switching from 16 to 17?Do i have to string tighter to retain same control with VS Touch 17?
 

FIRETennis

Professional
Hello, im playing with Head Gravity Pro with VS Touch black 16 25.5kg mains and Wilson Revolve 17 25.5kg crosses. I would like to try VS touch 17 (aka VS Team 17) for mains and wondering how much power i will gain and how much durability will decrease switching from 16 to 17?Do i have to string tighter to retain same control with VS Touch 17?
Not a lot of "power" gain.
A bit more spin, slightly higher launch angle, better touch.
Durability will suffer drastically. Will maybe will last half the hours compared to VS16.
 

petetennis54

New User
What are your thoughts on the Babolat VS -RPM Blast hybrid?

I would like more spin but have tennis elbow and weak shoulder. I am currently with full VS Touch
I use Tonic 16 / Revolve 17 at 54/51 in Yonex VC Pro 97. For EZone 98 And Blade 98 I strung 2# tighter. No problem with shoulder or elbow but I can't play full poly even at 40#.
 

aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
Does anyone know if 63/60 will give a similar level of control to 61/61 ? I like 61/61 but the sweetspot is rather unforgiving until about 2-3 hours of hitting.

I'm looking for slightly better pocketing/sweetspot without loss of control. I liked the sweetspot of 60/60 but it wasn't as control oriented as I would've liked.

I really need to buy a stringer!
 

stapletonj

Hall of Fame
Aaron, I am even stringing my gut mains at 63 or 64 lbs. and my poly crosses at about 56 or 57. I like the feel, good control, but still plenty of power on tap if needed. (Yonex vcore 100) try it, you'll like it. PS - If you are anywhere near KY/WV southern Ohio, I may have a deal for you on a stringer....
 

Mirko

New User
For all of you looking for a gut/poly set up... I found for me a really nice set up. And maybe it will work also for you

Raquet is modified Head Gravity MP. Strung with overgrip 330 gr. Balance 328 mm
Babolat VS 15L at 60lbs. Cross MAYAMI Magic Twist 1.25mm at 50 lbs.

What i like ist:
- very good power but not overpowerd and without the trampolin effect
- very good control
- very good spin. It is not spin moster butthe spin ist really good
- very plush and confrtable
- i can play my angel game
- flat, slice and kick are great

It is very balanced set up, taht give me everything waht i need in my game.
 

FIRETennis

Professional
For all of you looking for a gut/poly set up... I found for me a really nice set up. And maybe it will work also for you

Raquet is modified Head Gravity MP. Strung with overgrip 330 gr. Balance 328 mm
Babolat VS 15L at 60lbs. Cross MAYAMI Magic Twist 1.25mm at 50 lbs.

What i like ist:
- very good power but not overpowerd and without the trampolin effect
- very good control
- very good spin. It is not spin moster butthe spin ist really good
- very plush and confrtable
- i can play my angel game
- flat, slice and kick are great

It is very balanced set up, taht give me everything waht i need in my game.
What's the reasoning behind a twisted cross string?
 

Mirko

New User
I didn't take Magic twist as cross because it is twisted.
I have tesed a lot of strings as cross for gut. Most of them round strings. The most of them didn't give me the playability that I wanted.
5 day's ago I was wondering what I can tray as next and told myself I have a real of magic twist siting since 2 years at home. Let's put it as cross and see how it play. I was also skeptical that it will play how I wanted. But then when I got with it it was really nice.....
 
Still resting my elbow but researching which gut to go with. I have done Wilson 17 gauge, Wilson Champions choice, Babolat and Luxilon gut. Interestingly enough, according to TW, Luxilon gut is actually softer than Babolat. I find that hard to believe. Not to say it was like a poly, but, to me....def. felt the most firm of all of them. I am thinking Luxilon gut with Alu Power crosses. I also rarely break strings so thought about the 17 gauge Wilson as well. Just killing time stuck at the house ;)
 

mrravioli

Semi-Pro
what is a good starting point of tension when first trying gut poly? i normally use poly in low 50s. tried gut/poly at 55/53 pounds and the racquet became a rocket launcher. i have another half set of gut so will give another go before going back to full poly
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Still resting my elbow but researching which gut to go with. I have done Wilson 17 gauge, Wilson Champions choice, Babolat and Luxilon gut. Interestingly enough, according to TW, Luxilon gut is actually softer than Babolat. I find that hard to believe. Not to say it was like a poly, but, to me....def. felt the most firm of all of them. I am thinking Luxilon gut with Alu Power crosses. I also rarely break strings so thought about the 17 gauge Wilson as well. Just killing time stuck at the house ;)
Why not save a buck or two and try Weiss Cannon Silverstring 17G vs ALU as it is going in as a cross string?

There are also some cheaper alternatives that will perform just as well for that purpose.

On gauge, I too am not a string breaker. I wonder if the thicker gut will hold tension better than the 17G and as they both cost the same you will Gert a setup that will last longer and potentially cheaper.
 

FIRETennis

Professional
Still resting my elbow but researching which gut to go with. I have done Wilson 17 gauge, Wilson Champions choice, Babolat and Luxilon gut. Interestingly enough, according to TW, Luxilon gut is actually softer than Babolat. I find that hard to believe. Not to say it was like a poly, but, to me....def. felt the most firm of all of them. I am thinking Luxilon gut with Alu Power crosses. I also rarely break strings so thought about the 17 gauge Wilson as well. Just killing time stuck at the house ;)
Luxilon gut is absolutely not softer than Babolat VS. It plays more like a soft poly than a natural gut with their coating.
Wilson is fantastic and so is the Babolat VS.
Try Element or 4G Soft crosses instead of ALU Power.
 
what is a good starting point of tension when first trying gut poly? i normally use poly in low 50s. tried gut/poly at 55/53 pounds and the racquet became a rocket launcher. i have another half set of gut so will give another go before going back to full poly
I always thought gut needed to be higher tension, therefore a gut/poly would as well. Always went like 58/56lbs on the gut. Recently did a frame at 54/48lbs and it is sublime. I think the poly, especially if you use a a not so powerful one, tames the gut power as well. My experience so far.
 
Luxilon gut is absolutely not softer than Babolat VS. It plays more like a soft poly than a natural gut with their coating.
Wilson is fantastic and so is the Babolat VS.
Try Element or 4G Soft crosses instead of ALU Power.
I didn't proofread my post....I was thinking of trying the ALU Power Soft in the crosses.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Luxilon makes some nice string for crosses I am just thinking as it is going in the cross if it makes sense to spend $10 for a half set of Lux or there about when one is already spending $20 for half set of gut. One can get a nice performing round poly that will firm up the gut and give it something to slide across for quite a bit less than $10.
 

beltsman

Legend
What do you do about rain? I already live in a humid area. I bought some wax to put on the strings, as someone recommended. I have only previously used gut here and there but never as my full-time string job. But, I am looking to go full time gut/poly now. At what point do you switch to your backup racquet in the rain? A few drops? Light drizzle? And what exactly does moisture do to the strings? This is my big fear! It's a lot of money.
 
Keep them out of your car and I don’t play in the rain. I’d guess like instruments, it’s not temp or humidity change it’s quick drastic changes that cause expansion and contraction of the gut. I also live in a humid area and never had a problem - play on clay 7-8 months a year.
 

aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
I might have found my holy grail set-up for my Head Mircogel Radical MP.

Luxilon Gut 1.30 / Alu Power 1.25 (61 lbs)

I've been using 1.25 gut the past few months, but 1.30 gut is just much more predictable. Even in 18x20. I don't notice any loss of spin, I feel like spin is the same since the crosses are the same gauge, but the thicker mains give me a little extra control.
Unfortunately Alu Power drops off too much after 1 match (2-4 hours). Going back to Kirshbaum Max Power.
 

aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
Yeaaaaaah Max Power is where it's at. I almost gave up on gut/poly because I was tired of the unpredictability but it seems like Alu is the culprit for that.

I did Luxilon Gut 1.30 / Max Power 1.25 at 62/60 today. Beat my hitting partner 6-3, 6-2.

Good spin, low launch, good tension maintenance and best of all its CHEAP.

Alu power is trash for how long it lasts, I was drinking the kool-aid because I thought I should be using what "pros" use.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
What do you do about rain? I already live in a humid area. I bought some wax to put on the strings, as someone recommended. I have only previously used gut here and there but never as my full-time string job. But, I am looking to go full time gut/poly now. At what point do you switch to your backup racquet in the rain? A few drops? Light drizzle? And what exactly does moisture do to the strings? This is my big fear! It's a lot of money.
I always have one racquet strung up with my favorite full poly setup. For me, it doesn't mater if it is a bit different than my gut/poly setup as long as it is a setup I like.

it takes me a good warmup to get used to the lower launch angle but then I am good to go. I will restring it periodically when I feel the need but it is always ready to go in case I am playing shortly after rain.
 

NRMM

Rookie
Guys, I need your help.. and this is the best thread to get your views....
I'm currently playing some of my best tennis in recent years with an ezone 98+ (2020), sw 340 , stiffness 63.. I love VS 17g on mains (better than Luxilon gut which is odd as I tend to prefer more muted strings/feel).

On crosses I'm using Head Lynx Tour 17 which has fantastic control, excellent durability and I also love the pocket feel and sound.. however, if feels "too" stiff specially during the break in period and it's also not too forgiving on mishits.. also, for the first time ever I had the VS 17g gut breaking around the 20 hours mark, 2nd main at the top, so I guess the shaped poly may have contributed to that...

So I'm looking for a poly which again, like Lynx Tour 17g, has 1. fantastic control 2. great tension maintenance/longest playability duration 3. pocket feel/sound BUT is not as stiff and is slightly more forgiving.. right, I can compromise on the forgiving..and improve my own technique :) Not too concerned with launch angle being too high as I could perhaps move to VS 16

Questions:

1. Which strings and gauge would come as an option to you?
2. Would you stick to the VS 17g ?

Some strings I was looking into...

Tier 1 Black Knight 17
Yonex PolyTour Strike
Head Hawk Rough 17
Kirschbaum Max Power Rough 18

(all of these have a lower stiffness score than Head Lynx Tour 17 and have tension loss % under 30%)

Many thanks!!
 

Mirko

New User
Guys, I need your help.. and this is the best thread to get your views....
I'm currently playing some of my best tennis in recent years with an ezone 98+ (2020), sw 340 , stiffness 63.. I love VS 17g on mains (better than Luxilon gut which is odd as I tend to prefer more muted strings/feel).

On crosses I'm using Head Lynx Tour 17 which has fantastic control, excellent durability and I also love the pocket feel and sound.. however, if feels "too" stiff specially during the break in period and it's also not too forgiving on mishits.. also, for the first time ever I had the VS 17g gut breaking around the 20 hours mark, 2nd main at the top, so I guess the shaped poly may have contributed to that...

So I'm looking for a poly which again, like Lynx Tour 17g, has 1. fantastic control 2. great tension maintenance/longest playability duration 3. pocket feel/sound BUT is not as stiff and is slightly more forgiving.. right, I can compromise on the forgiving..and improve my own technique :) Not too concerned with launch angle being too high as I could perhaps move to VS 16

Questions:

1. Which strings and gauge would come as an option to you?
2. Would you stick to the VS 17g ?

Some strings I was looking into...

Tier 1 Black Knight 17
Yonex PolyTour Strike
Head Hawk Rough 17
Kirschbaum Max Power Rough 18

(all of these have a lower stiffness score than Head Lynx Tour 17 and have tension loss % under 30%)

Many thanks!!
Try 4G soft. It will give you all 3 points you would like (control, TM, feel and is not stiff) string it 2-4 lbs lower then Head lynx tour. And I would go 16 VS
 

slchsu

New User
Guys, I need your help.. and this is the best thread to get your views....
I'm currently playing some of my best tennis in recent years with an ezone 98+ (2020), sw 340 , stiffness 63.. I love VS 17g on mains (better than Luxilon gut which is odd as I tend to prefer more muted strings/feel).

On crosses I'm using Head Lynx Tour 17 which has fantastic control, excellent durability and I also love the pocket feel and sound.. however, if feels "too" stiff specially during the break in period and it's also not too forgiving on mishits.. also, for the first time ever I had the VS 17g gut breaking around the 20 hours mark, 2nd main at the top, so I guess the shaped poly may have contributed to that...

So I'm looking for a poly which again, like Lynx Tour 17g, has 1. fantastic control 2. great tension maintenance/longest playability duration 3. pocket feel/sound BUT is not as stiff and is slightly more forgiving.. right, I can compromise on the forgiving..and improve my own technique :) Not too concerned with launch angle being too high as I could perhaps move to VS 16

Questions:

1. Which strings and gauge would come as an option to you?
2. Would you stick to the VS 17g ?

Some strings I was looking into...

Tier 1 Black Knight 17
Yonex PolyTour Strike
Head Hawk Rough 17
Kirschbaum Max Power Rough 18

(all of these have a lower stiffness score than Head Lynx Tour 17 and have tension loss % under 30%)

Many thanks!!
What tension are you using? If you like the setup you can change the characteristics quite a bit by adjusting tensions first. Also, 20 hours is pretty good for 17g gut.
 
Guys, I need your help.. and this is the best thread to get your views....
I'm currently playing some of my best tennis in recent years with an ezone 98+ (2020), sw 340 , stiffness 63.. I love VS 17g on mains (better than Luxilon gut which is odd as I tend to prefer more muted strings/feel).

On crosses I'm using Head Lynx Tour 17 which has fantastic control, excellent durability and I also love the pocket feel and sound.. however, if feels "too" stiff specially during the break in period and it's also not too forgiving on mishits.. also, for the first time ever I had the VS 17g gut breaking around the 20 hours mark, 2nd main at the top, so I guess the shaped poly may have contributed to that...

So I'm looking for a poly which again, like Lynx Tour 17g, has 1. fantastic control 2. great tension maintenance/longest playability duration 3. pocket feel/sound BUT is not as stiff and is slightly more forgiving.. right, I can compromise on the forgiving..and improve my own technique :) Not too concerned with launch angle being too high as I could perhaps move to VS 16

Questions:

1. Which strings and gauge would come as an option to you?
2. Would you stick to the VS 17g ?

Some strings I was looking into...

Tier 1 Black Knight 17
Yonex PolyTour Strike
Head Hawk Rough 17
Kirschbaum Max Power Rough 18

(all of these have a lower stiffness score than Head Lynx Tour 17 and have tension loss % under 30%)

Many thanks!!
VS 16 w/ max power rough 17 crosses is my go to for playability and durability. I string lower though, 50/47 or 49/46 for that combo depending on the day.
 

NRMM

Rookie
VS 16 w/ max power rough 17 crosses is my go to for playability and durability. I string lower though, 50/47 or 49/46 for that combo depending on the day.
mac power rough 17 has a higher stiffness than lynx tour 17 on TW database… perhaps max power rough 18 as that comes as under 200 stiffness ?
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
If you are looking for max longevity, Poly Tour Fire 17g is probably the best string out there. The silicone coating lasts very long, and the low friction helps with the durability of the gut. It's forgiving, and has very decent feel for a poly, when combined with VS or Luxgut. It does need a bit of prestretching, because it's soft. I find 3% helps with the tension maintenance. I don't have your "great" problem of 20 hrs of play. My gut usually snaps around 7-10 hrs, less if using a normal smooth poly. I've tried Kirschbaum MP and found it to be stiff, and lacks the slickness, softness and feel of the PTF. It's a quite a bit stiff in feel and my Playsight data showed a deficit of over 100+rpm compared to PTF.

Guys, I need your help.. and this is the best thread to get your views....
I'm currently playing some of my best tennis in recent years with an ezone 98+ (2020), sw 340 , stiffness 63.. I love VS 17g on mains (better than Luxilon gut which is odd as I tend to prefer more muted strings/feel).

On crosses I'm using Head Lynx Tour 17 which has fantastic control, excellent durability and I also love the pocket feel and sound.. however, if feels "too" stiff specially during the break in period and it's also not too forgiving on mishits.. also, for the first time ever I had the VS 17g gut breaking around the 20 hours mark, 2nd main at the top, so I guess the shaped poly may have contributed to that...

So I'm looking for a poly which again, like Lynx Tour 17g, has 1. fantastic control 2. great tension maintenance/longest playability duration 3. pocket feel/sound BUT is not as stiff and is slightly more forgiving.. right, I can compromise on the forgiving..and improve my own technique :) Not too concerned with launch angle being too high as I could perhaps move to VS 16

Questions:

1. Which strings and gauge would come as an option to you?
2. Would you stick to the VS 17g ?

Some strings I was looking into...

Tier 1 Black Knight 17
Yonex PolyTour Strike
Head Hawk Rough 17
Kirschbaum Max Power Rough 18

(all of these have a lower stiffness score than Head Lynx Tour 17 and have tension loss % under 30%)

Many thanks!!
 

NRMM

Rookie
many thanks !! Does it really need the ore-stretching? Which tension would you recommend given I’m now using 55/53??

If you are looking for max longevity, Poly Tour Fire 17g is probably the best string out there. The silicone coating lasts very long, and the low friction helps with the durability of the gut. It's forgiving, and has very decent feel for a poly, when combined with VS or Luxgut. It does need a bit of prestretching, because it's soft. I find 3% helps with the tension maintenance. I don't have your "great" problem of 20 hrs of play. My gut usually snaps around 7-10 hrs, less if using a normal smooth poly. I've tried Kirschbaum MP and found it to be stiff, and lacks the slickness, softness and feel of the PTF. It's a quite a bit stiff in feel and my Playsight data showed a deficit of over 100+rpm compared to PTF.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
many thanks !! Does it really need the ore-stretching? Which tension would you recommend given I’m now using 55/53??
Personally, I like it prestretched. Apparently it's heat stretched at the factory, but I found the feel to soften more than I prefer after the first outing. Doesn't really affect play but feel is more a mental thing for me and a 3-5% pull is enough to take away the tension drop which I feel. As for tension, I spread if from 57-60 gut and -3-3.5lbs depending on conditions.
 

NRMM

Rookie
is that per-stretch something that any stringer does with minimal effort? How does the control and predictability of the string compares with more traditional control go-to poly used in hybrid? You’re using a yonex too?

Personally, I like it prestretched. Apparently it's heat stretched at the factory, but I found the feel to soften more than I prefer after the first outing. Doesn't really affect play but feel is more a mental thing for me and a 3-5% pull is enough to take away the tension drop which I feel. As for tension, I spread if from 57-60 gut and -3-3.5lbs depending on conditions.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
is that per-stretch something that any stringer does with minimal effort? How does the control and predictability of the string compares with more traditional control go-to poly used in hybrid? You’re using a yonex too?
I believe most electronic stringing machines have a prestretch function. I'm not sure what the go to polys are. I used Luxilon Alu Power Rough, but it just dies after an hour and was useless after 2. Cyclone 18L was quite nice but the strings break under 4 hrs easily. I like it a lot, but that's just me. Try it and see if you like it. Gives me the spin, feel and control I'm comfy with. I also use it with V-Square 18/19g and also V-Torque Tour 19g for competition.
 

NRMM

Rookie
I believe most electronic stringing machines have a prestretch function. I'm not sure what the go to polys are. I used Luxilon Alu Power Rough, but it just dies after an hour and was useless after 2. Cyclone 18L was quite nice but the strings break under 4 hrs easily. I like it a lot, but that's just me. Try it and see if you like it. Gives me the spin, feel and control I'm comfy with. I also use it with V-Square 18/19g and also V-Torque Tour 19g for competition.
would you suggest I do vs 17 g w/ fire at 55/53 so that I can compare with current vs / lynx tour 17g same tension? It’s a yonex 98 extended…
 
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