The hand and arm rotation and the 1HBH

[LeonardKickServe]

Hello guys
I ve watched some videos of modern one handers(Kuerten, Federer) and on the follow through, there is the hand and arm rotation(clockwise) .I think that all the elements of the follow through are consequences and such forearm rotation is just a consequence of the hand and arm rotation(COUNTERCLOCKWISE) that happens at the bottom of the backswing/when I start to swing forward.
Then the racket would be square on contact and then the hand and arm rotation (clockwise)would happen passively on the Follow through

I d like to know if this concept is right. Thank you

 

[Dreamer]

Yes! I'm not that well versed in the movement of muscles, someone would be better equipped to giving you the details, but the rotation is passive. The unwinding of the forearm is passive and take back helps move it in an unnatural/wound up position. If you relax it, it goes clockwise.

If you want to increase the effect of the rotation you should look more towards the shoulder.

 

[Netspirit]

Leonard, that clockwise rotation of the right forearm is called "supination". There is a recent thread about it.

My opinion is that it is a highly advanced thing. It does increase topspin, but does it at the expense of some control (more moving parts, more chances to screw something up), and the benefit is not as pronounced as that of pronation (counter-clockwise movement of the forearm during the forehand/serve).

So, I would only recommend incorporating it into your game if you can hit the casual, non-wristly (fixed wrist), 1-handed backhand reliably, 9 times out of 10.

 

[dozu]

yes - OP and the replies above are correct.

I am developing the 1hbh and right now I am not using this technique, so basically the holding-bike-handle wrist position is pretty much fixed thru out the swing, which makes it easier shot to hit.... does lose some spin/bite on the ball with fixed wrist, but it feels simply.... just turn, aim the racket face, and swing thru.

 

[larry10s]

the most important part of your correct concept is the forearm wrist move as a unit
i think that as you come foward from below the ball you are starting to supinate some so some of the supination is active.
no question at some point past contact you relax and allow the momentum (clockwise rotation in your terms)to finish passively

 

[larry10s]

yes - OP and the replies above are correct.

I am developing the 1hbh and right now I am not using this technique, so basically the holding-bike-handle wrist position is pretty much fixed thru out the swing, which makes it easier shot to hit.... does lose some spin/bite on the ball with fixed wrist, but it feels simply.... just turn, aim the racket face, and swing thru.

this link helps to show how the forearm wrist work as a unit
http://www.youtube.com/user/xstf?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/3/vq3Pi1KIkT8

 

[dozu]

this link helps to show how the forearm wrist work as a unit
http://www.youtube.com/user/xstf?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/3/vq3Pi1KIkT8

yes - watched that vid a few times before... Roger's L actually does break down after contact, and resumes at the finish, due to relaxation after impact.

 

[larry10s]

yes - watched that vid a few times before... Roger's L actually does break down after contact, and resumes at the finish, due to relaxation after impact.

your approach to keep it simple with less rotation is a good way to ingrain the mechanics. keep up the good work

 

[drakulie]

The supination occurs well after contact and is more a result of a fast swing and high follow-thru.

 

[LeonardKickServe]

The supination occurs well after contact and is more a result of a fast swing and high follow-thru.

I dont think the high follow thru is the cause of the supination because I can hit the ball in a flatter trajectory with a great degree of supination.
I acessed hitechtennis.com(great website BTW) today to read what they say about that.
"A second element to notice is the gradual turning of the hand. The knuckles of Acasuso's hand, which face the net on contact, end up facing the right fence. This gradual and steady turn of the hand helps impart topspin on the ball".
The way they said it seems it is an active element.
Another thing that I have some doubts is if there is some degree of the counterclockwise rotation (pronation) as I start to swing forward.to pronation would be active and all the supination that makes the racket be square on contact(passive supination) and it would continue to supinate.
However. I ve watched some slow motions of top one handers and I couldn t notice a significant degree of pronation as they start to swing forward.
I know also that the pronation isn t a necessary element of a modern backhand although the supination is necessary in order to have a modern forehand.
So I am not sure the reason of that. and more answers are welcome
Merry Christmas

 

[LeonardKickServe]

http://img262.imageshack.us/i/gasquet.jpg
That s a picture of Gasquet and it looks like there is some degree of pronation but I am not sure
What do you think