The Head TGK 238.5 YTPP club :)

Ross K said:
Good qsn... Club? big bang? Others? Anybody know of flex differences retail YTPP VS TGK YTPP?
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I am not sure what the flex RA differences are between them, however, they definitely flex different and at different locations. IMO, they are definitely different layups.
I could also feel the D3O "working" with the retail racket, where the TGK feels more uniform on all shots and that is why I am still convinced that the materials are different.
 
I'm thinking of switching back to these. Not sure yet though, gonna have to give it another go. My MGPM's are gonna be hard to top because of their awesome feel and control but I would like something slightly larger and more open.

Anyone make a successful switch between these two?
 
Although one thing I don't like about the YT Prestiges is that the laminate cover chips off the racquet too easily. Anyone else notices this?
 
dr325i said:
I am not sure what the flex RA differences are between them, however, they definitely flex different and at different locations. IMO, they are definitely different layups.
I could also feel the D3O "working" with the retail racket, where the TGK feels more uniform on all shots and that is why I am still convinced that the materials are different.
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I have never felt any D3O working in any racquet. You are buying into marketing B.S.
 
[d]ragon;5352821 said:
Although one thing I don't like about the YT Prestiges is that the laminate cover chips off the racquet too easily. Anyone else notices this?
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I have not had any paint chip off. But the decals on the YT Prestige Cosmetics is very fragile.
 
vsbabolat said:
I have never felt any D3O working in any racquet. You are buying into marketing B.S.
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Ah, I see...since you did not feel it, it must be the marketing BS (and vice versa for that matter). I believe I felt it stiffen up on more powerful shots. Interesting enough, a few of my play buddies mentioned similar phenomenon and they are not "racket freaks" (i.e. had no idea about the D3O marketing stuff). I definitely do NOT feel any of that in the TGK238.4.

It may be all in our heads...

I also assume that when IG Prestige comes out ,we will all think that there is less vibration, too?
 
dr325i said:
Ah, I see...since you did not feel it, it must be the marketing BS (and vice versa for that matter). I believe I felt it stiffen up on more powerful shots. Interesting enough, a few of my play buddies mentioned similar phenomenon and they are not "racket freaks" (i.e. had no idea about the D3O marketing stuff). I definitely do NOT feel any of that in the TGK238.4.

It may be all in our heads...

I also assume that when IG Prestige comes out ,we will all think that there is less vibration, too?
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I actually played with racquets that had dynamic stiffness properties: Dunlop Max200G, Max300i, and Max400i. I definitely did not feel the YT Prestige stiffening up on harder shots. There is little D30 that is put in between the plies of carbon fiber from the hairpin to about half way up the shaft that it is not doing anything.
How Innegra is applied will depend on the effects of it in the racquets.

You can also achieve this with out the use of sexy marketing ploys like Innegra or D3O. They need them to sell racquets. There are an infinite number of ways to put together a racquet. It is the combination of the mixture of different grades of carbon fiber along with angle of the carbon fibers. This is how they achieve the desired properties of the racquet.
 
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No-one else presently hitting with this frame? Would love to hear more general feedback from users.


R.

BTW, QSN. Which pros could be said to be playing something pretty close to this?
 
I agree with everyone but so far i do feel a different flex in the head of the TGK I bought. The main reason I wanted the stick was the customizable options. The facts are that with a leather grip and silicone in the handle, I still have a prestige that weighs in at 12.1 instead of 12.5 (OG plus damp on them), and if I get hurt or something happens, I can have the stick customized to be lighter. It's a nice option since the retail comes pretty heavy stock.

The racquet does seem to have a louder crack to it and also a different flex. It is most likely made with a higher QC. In fact I know it is, because I had 2 retail Prestiges measured and they were 5 grams off from each other.

I know that I also love the retail prestige and I believe it has a great feel as well. So it is a win/win. I just do not want to put a leather grip on it and change the balance and weight..so the TGK for me was a very nice buy. Why the TGK feels more flexy and sounds louder, I don't know.

Also, as VSB and others have said, if you really want to go big in terms of feel..etc, then the PT10/57a/e is the racquet of choice.
 
Just in case the point hadn't been made enough.... the TGKs are, without doubt, different to the retail versions. Both are great, but as Power Player says, you can just customise them more. Plus you can show off to all your tennis friends, and for a minute, just a minute... you feel better than you really are ;)
 
Power Player said:
I agree with everyone but so far i do feel a different flex in the head of the TGK I bought. The main reason I wanted the stick was the customizable options. The facts are that with a leather grip and silicone in the handle, I still have a prestige that weighs in at 12.1 instead of 12.5 (OG plus damp on them), and if I get hurt or something happens, I can have the stick customized to be lighter. It's a nice option since the retail comes pretty heavy stock.

The racquet does seem to have a louder crack to it and also a different flex. It is most likely made with a higher QC. In fact I know it is, because I had 2 retail Prestiges measured and they were 5 grams off from each other.

I know that I also love the retail prestige and I believe it has a great feel as well. So it is a win/win. I just do not want to put a leather grip on it and change the balance and weight..so the TGK for me was a very nice buy. Why the TGK feels more flexy and sounds louder, I don't know.

Also, as VSB and others have said, if you really want to go big in terms of feel..etc, then the PT10/57a/e is the racquet of choice.
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There is no differnce in quality control or in the quality of materials. I have a retail YT Prestige Mid and "Pro Stock" YT Prestige Mid that are both starting to crack in the exact same place at the yoke above the grip.......
 
vsbabolat said:
There is little D30 that is put in between the plies of carbon fiber from the hairpin to about half way up the shaft that it is not doing anything.
How Innegra is applied will depend on the effects of it in the racquets.
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Just curious, how did you find that out?
 
My TGK238.4 XL just arrived. It's 322 grams unstrung. Next I have to get it strung. I ordered one thinking to order the other after trying out this one. The other was gone in two days. I can't believe how fast these things move on the For Sale boards. I'm quite eager to give it a try though I fully expect that I'll be adding lead at 12 to get it where I want it. Perhaps this club could be changed to the TGK238.* club?

BTW, what's the difference between a .4 and a .5.

Ross K, you going to get one of these things?
 
PP is a super fun racket... I use mine when I suddenly have to become a baseliner, play a pusher or it's ridiculously windy. I get maybe 3-5mph more on my serve than with the MP and I can hit more spinny groundstrokes with it. It also improves my serving with the MP... ie>> if Im putting em in with the pro it ups my percentages with the MP.
 
movdqa said:
My TGK238.4 XL just arrived. It's 322 grams unstrung. Next I have to get it strung. I ordered one thinking to order the other after trying out this one. The other was gone in two days. I can't believe how fast these things move on the For Sale boards. I'm quite eager to give it a try though I fully expect that I'll be adding lead at 12 to get it where I want it. Perhaps this club could be changed to the TGK238.* club?

BTW, what's the difference between a .4 and a .5.

Ross K, you going to get one of these things?
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Hello movdqa,

I have a TGK 238.5 and a retail YTPP. I've played them on and off for a bit and am now returning to them properly, I think. Great rackets IMO... the TGK is just amazing actually... the control and precision, balance and weighting, solidness, superfast swinging, feel and build, that certain 'whippiness' - well, it's something else. :) Post up your thoughts after you've hit with your frame.

R


SO... WHO ELSE IS USING THESE FRAMES? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
 
> I have a TGK 238.5 and a retail YTPP.

Great! I haven't been following your posts for a while but it looks like you've moved way up and it sounds like your confidence has improved with these frames. My stringer was busy last night but I'm bringing it over this afternoon and hopefully can get it back on Wednesday.

I suspect that it will feel underpowered in its current state of 11.9 oz strung compared to my 13.1 oz KPS88 but I'd like to see how much additional power I get from the larger headsize and XL frame. I expect to add a fair amount of lead to it to get it to where I'm comfortable but I'll be very pleasantly surprised if I don't have to add lead.

I'm constantly amazed at how fast these things sell at the other forum.
 
Finally took the 238.4 XL for a spin. It's 322 grams unstrung and I had it strung with Black Code at 54 pounds as I like relatively loose strings. My expectations were that it would be light and underpowered and that I'd use it for a few minutes to figure out what changes I would want to make and then go back to playing the match with my KPS88s.

It's often hard to try new racquets when you are used to the KPS88 as everything else feels like a feather (the Ki 5 PSE is a good exception).

The 238.4 XL at 11.9 oz strung was surprising in that it provided a good amount of pop. It was a different kind of pop compared to the KPS (a ton of mass) but I was pleasantly surprised with the power level and decided to play the match with it. The entire hitting session lasted 100 minutes in cool but humid weather (inside).

This thing is wonderful on groundstrokes. I felt at home with topspin or slice on the forehand and backhand. It does not have the brute force of the KPS but it has enough power to get the ball where I want it with enough pace.

The racquet is quite forgiving. The feel is interesting. No shock. Not very much vibration. A little bit of feel on hitting the shots but not a huge amount of feedback. Overheads felt very good - might be the lightness compared to my usual frame. Volleys could have used more power - I would need to use more of a punch - with the KPS, the racquet does almost all of the work for you.

I had a lot of trouble on the serve with a lot of them going a little bit long. I expected this given that it's an XL - I'm pretty sure that I wasn't hitting the ball in the best place. The power level is decent - but I wasn't able to dial in the power that I usually like - I think that the KPS is unique in how you can serve with it.

I do not know if I prefer regular length racquets or XL racquets. I think that I'm going to use the XL stock for a little while and keep an eye out for one that's a little heavier.
 
OK...Big problem...

I bought a few days ago one more Head Youtek Prestige Pro from ************, because tennis warehouse had only L4 left, no L3

The first YPPs that I bought from tennis warehouse, were TGK238.5

I really wonder if this one that I am waiting to receive is also TGK or just a crappy Made in China

Actually, my TGK also had a sticker on the butcap with Made in China...so? But when I change the pallet and grip, on the handle I've seen TGK238.5
I payed 200€ for one, in January 2010 when it was released. This was the price for a retail one...a TGK shouldn't be more expensive than a retail one? It is possible that they selled me a TGK without knowing it, for a retail price? Confusing

All the racquets YPP are TGK238.5 or also are some bad quality, with different feel, retail ones?

Please help asap
 
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The retail racquets have the same codes as the pro stocks. The TGKs without retail counterparts are also made in China.
 
movdqa said:
The retail racquets have the same codes as the pro stocks. The TGKs without retail counterparts are also made in China.
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OK...So I got another stock Youtek Prestige Pro

Could you help me with some hints to customize it?

I changed the pallets with more rounder ones, I changed the leather grip with PU Karakal Syntetic Grip, so I guess that it has 10 grams less in the handle.

I want to add some lead tape, and I have no idea how much and where.
I read the thread about polarized and depolarized setups, but I have no idea which one is good for me.

I would like a setup like Murray or Djokovic, good for the baseline game, return, spin and power, so with a biger swing weight

I don't want to have a very heavy racquet. But if the stock YPP has 335g strung, mines have around 325g strung.

So how much lead tape should I put under the cap grommets? (how many centimeters, what lead tape width...etc)

I know that probably you will give me the specs (weight, swing weight and balance point), but I would preffer some directly hints about what should I change (I mean how many cm of lead tape, what type, where, and if I should put silicone in the handle and how much)

Thank you if you decide to give me some help. I hope that somebody already made a lots of tests customizing the stock YPP.
 
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Djokovic's setup is lead most of the way around the hoop and a massive 370 swingweight. I don't know what Murray's setup is but I've heard that it used to be massive.

What I'd suggest for you is to figure out what your constraints are - max swingweight, max static weight, minimum headlight balance. And then work under those constraints. In general, it's best to add a little lead at a time on the inside of the hoop as it makes it easy to add and remove lead.

Taking off the caps will usually mean replacing the caps with a new set.
 
movdqa said:
Djokovic's setup is lead most of the way around the hoop and a massive 370 swingweight. I don't know what Murray's setup is but I've heard that it used to be massive.

What I'd suggest for you is to figure out what your constraints are - max swingweight, max static weight, minimum headlight balance. And then work under those constraints. In general, it's best to add a little lead at a time on the inside of the hoop as it makes it easy to add and remove lead.

Taking off the caps will usually mean replacing the caps with a new set.
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Thank you for the info

Why does taking off the caps means replacing them with new set? Can't I put them back above the lead tape?

If I stick the lead inside of the hoop will ruin the Head written on the top if I decide to remove the lead in the future. I would like to put it under the caps, and measure before restring

Nobody knows the exact specs of Murray's and Djokovic's Head? Or Safin's?
 
Some of the longer grommets at the bottom of the frame get bent with stringing so you can't put them back in after taking them off. I found this out when I tried to do what you're doing now.

I have not had any problem removing lead tape on the decals though I'm using pro stocks. I don't know if there is a difference in the decals and finish on mine.

There is a thread by FabFed in the Pro forums with really detailed information, including pictures of lead, of Djokovic's frame. FabFed bought one of Djokovic's frames for $4,000.

I don't believe that we have something comparable for Murray's frames. I do know that one sold last summer but I don't know whether or not the buyer is on TW.

Greg Raven posted that Murray had a swingweight of something like 400+ but it was reported that he changed it at some point later on.

There are some threads in the Pro Forums on other players' racquets too. It usually happens when someone gets a hold of a pro's frames and shares the details and pictures at TW.
 
movdqa said:
Some of the longer grommets at the bottom of the frame get bent with stringing so you can't put them back in after taking them off. I found this out when I tried to do what you're doing now.

I have not had any problem removing lead tape on the decals though I'm using pro stocks. I don't know if there is a difference in the decals and finish on mine.

There is a thread by FabFed in the Pro forums with really detailed information, including pictures of lead, of Djokovic's frame. FabFed bought one of Djokovic's frames for $4,000.

I don't believe that we have something comparable for Murray's frames. I do know that one sold last summer but I don't know whether or not the buyer is on TW.

Greg Raven posted that Murray had a swingweight of something like 400+ but it was reported that he changed it at some point later on.

There are some threads in the Pro Forums on other players' racquets too. It usually happens when someone gets a hold of a pro's frames and shares the details and pictures at TW.
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Thanks, I appreciate it
 
movdqa,

How long did it take you to feel properly attuned to the swing of your 238.4 XL? Just curious as I've been hitting with and enjoying a plus size frame myself, but the way it swings still seems less than fluent, if you know what I mean? Especially on more all court aspects, getting jammed, etc.

Re the 238.5, I admit I've been having a few thoughts recently - thoughts I've tried to banish tbh following months of never quite nailing the set up with this frame and getting frustrated with the continual tinkering and pulling off/putting on caps the whole time etc. Anyway, yes, may have to pull this out again and give it another go.
 
The XL is the first PS that I bought and I think that it arrived in early June. I played with that for a while and picked up a few SLs which I didn't really use (they're gathering dust). I also picked up a YT Radical MP (SL) and used that for a few weeks. I then picked up two more 238.4 XLs in August and that's what I have been using since then. I think that I got comfortable with the length around October or November and then got to work finding the weight and balance that I wanted. I'm pretty happy with what I have right now.

So of course I then go and order two IG Prestige MP XLs because of VSB's thread. The specs on those are 27.6 inches (slightly shorter), 376 grams, headlight balance and 386 SW (mine are currently around 361 so I'm doing a lot of strength training while waiting for them to arrive).

It takes some time to adjust the footwork and the reflexes to the extra length. I don't have any problems getting jammed - once the length is programmed into your mind from a lot of use, you automatically position your feet and body correctly to hit the shot.

I thought that I had the perfect setup and then pulled the caps off and restrung with new caps and then found that it wasn't quite right. So I just put the lead on the inside now. There are times when I like to add a little lead because of conditions - a little extra weight helps in cold weather.

BTW, I cannot just go back to hitting with SL racquets anymore. There's an adjustment period to that now. I'm definitely hooked on XLs.
 
From watching the Djoko Murray semi, Murray's SW looks slightly higher than Djok's.

The 386SW of your coming frames is just about perfect for that length for peak serving.
 
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> The 386SW of your coming frames is just about perfect for that
> length for peak serving.

Yeah, if I can get it over my head.
 
movdqa said:
The XL is the first PS that I bought and I think that it arrived in early June. I played with that for a while and picked up a few SLs which I didn't really use (they're gathering dust). I also picked up a YT Radical MP (SL) and used that for a few weeks. I then picked up two more 238.4 XLs in August and that's what I have been using since then. I think that I got comfortable with the length around October or November and then got to work finding the weight and balance that I wanted. I'm pretty happy with what I have right now.

So of course I then go and order two IG Prestige MP XLs because of VSB's thread. The specs on those are 27.6 inches (slightly shorter), 376 grams, headlight balance and 386 SW (mine are currently around 361 so I'm doing a lot of strength training while waiting for them to arrive).

It takes some time to adjust the footwork and the reflexes to the extra length. I don't have any problems getting jammed - once the length is programmed into your mind from a lot of use, you automatically position your feet and body correctly to hit the shot.

I thought that I had the perfect setup and then pulled the caps off and restrung with new caps and then found that it wasn't quite right. So I just put the lead on the inside now. There are times when I like to add a little lead because of conditions - a little extra weight helps in cold weather.

BTW, I cannot just go back to hitting with SL racquets anymore. There's an adjustment period to that now. I'm definitely hooked on XLs.
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Extremely interesting. Thanks mov.

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then got to work finding the weight and balance that I wanted.
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How exactly did you do this?
 
movdqa said:
Some of the longer grommets at the bottom of the frame get bent with stringing so you can't put them back in after taking them off. I found this out when I tried to do what you're doing now.

I have not had any problem removing lead tape on the decals though I'm using pro stocks. I don't know if there is a difference in the decals and finish on mine.

There is a thread by FabFed in the Pro forums with really detailed information, including pictures of lead, of Djokovic's frame. FabFed bought one of Djokovic's frames for $4,000.

I don't believe that we have something comparable for Murray's frames. I do know that one sold last summer but I don't know whether or not the buyer is on TW.

Greg Raven posted that Murray had a swingweight of something like 400+ but it was reported that he changed it at some point later on.

There are some threads in the Pro Forums on other players' racquets too. It usually happens when someone gets a hold of a pro's frames and shares the details and pictures at TW.
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I have just done some measurements on my stock YPPs and they have a HUGE swingweight.

The only customization I made is changing the pallets with more rounder ones, and replace the leather grip with Karakal.

I used this tutorial to measure the swing weight

The weight is 325 g strung

I got 33.8 cm balance point, and for 10 swings (3cm the distance from the handle to the hanging point), I got 13, 13.2 and 13.4 seconds.

If I choose the lowest time, 13 seconds I get a 526 SW...
If I choose the highest time, 13.4 seconds, I get 551 SW...

In any combination, I get a SW over 520

This means I don't need to add lead...just by replacing the pallet and the Calf Skin Grip with syntetic one, the SW got from 320 to 520 ???

It's possible?
 
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kevo82 said:
I have just done some measurements on my stock YPPs and they have a HUGE swingweight.

The only customization I made is changing the pallets with more rounder ones, and replace the leather grip with Karakal.

I used this tutorial to measure the swing weight

The weight is 325 g strung

I got 33.8 cm balance point, and for 10 swings (3cm the distance from the handle to the hanging point), I got 13, 13.2 and 13.4 seconds.

If I choose the lowest time, 13 seconds I get a 526 SW...
If I choose the highest time, 13.4 seconds, I get 551 SW...

In any combination, I get a SW over 520

This means I don't need to add lead...just by replacing the pallet and the Calf Skin Grip with syntetic one, the SW got from 320 to 520 ???

It's possible?
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Is the initial SW of 320 something you measured using the same method, or are you just getting it from a published spec?
 
scotus said:
Is the initial SW of 320 something you measured using the same method, or are you just getting it from a published spec?
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I forgot to measure before I replaced the grip and pallet. It's from the specs from TW site.

I was about to add some lead tape to increase the SW. What should I do now? Add some lead under the caps and in thee handle to make it more heavier or just let it like this?

What is the difference between a light racquet with high SW like mine and a heavy racquet with high SW like Murray's or Djoko's?
 
> How exactly did you do this?

Trial and error.

> In any combination, I get a SW over 520

I think that you did something wrong but I haven't had my coffee yet. The calculations that I did seem reasonable for the static weight and lead placement. You might retry the computation or bring it to a shop with an RDC.
 
kevo82 said:
I forgot to measure before I replaced the grip and pallet. It's from the specs from TW site.

I was about to add some lead tape to increase the SW. What should I do now? Add some lead under the caps and in thee handle to make it more heavier or just let it like this?

What is the difference between a light racquet with high SW like mine and a heavy racquet with high SW like Murray's or Djoko's?
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That's what I figured. Somewhere along the way, you made a mistake in calculation.

So if you had applied the same method to the initial SW, you would have gotten something around 500 instead of 320.

So just disregard your SW calculation and go by how it feels.

Once you get above the swing weight of 320, I think most people who want to increase static weight want to minimize the increase in swing weight in order to have good stability, plow-through and also keep good maneuverability.

A light-weight racquet with high swing weight, in my opinion, makes for low stability and low maneuverability, but perhaps favored by some baseliners. This more than likely has a very head-heavy balance.
 
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> What is the difference between a light racquet with high SW like
> mine and a heavy racquet with high SW like Murray's or Djoko's?

Stability.

Back in the spring, I tried adding weight at 11 to 1 and it added a lot of power without adding a lot of static weight but the sweetspot remained quite small and I felt a lot of excess shock and vibration. Later in the year, I removed it and added a fair amount more at 3/9 which increased the sweetspot and made it feel more stable with far less shock and vibration.

It's obvious that there are pros that are using low static weight and high swingweight combinations so it does work in the pro game. The best current example would be Nadal. The other three guys, Federer, Murray and Djokovic, from past data (not sure on Murray today) use high static weight and high swingweight.
 
The BP I am sure it's correct

The only thing where I could have made an error is SW, but I followed the instructions step by step though.

I measured from the moment the handle reached the point positioned 3cm from the hanging point and I never measured more than 13.6 seconds. To get a smaller SW than 520, I should have obtained more than 13.6 seconds...as slower it takes to make 10 swings, as higher the SW goes.

A swing starts from the moment the handle touches the 3cm point from the hanging point, until the moment it comes back at the same point...so I don't think I made an error.

I will try to go to a RDC measuring machine.

Anyway...asuming the measure is correct, the logic now would be to add lead at 3 and 9, or in the handle?

I am looking to smash the ball easy, with less effort, so I guess high SW
 
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If the standard YPP is 6 points HL, mines, that have the BP at 33.8cm how many points HL are?
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About 1.5 points HL

For a normal 27 inch / 69 cm racquet:
Even balance 34.30 cm
1 pt head light 33.98 cm
2 pts head light 33.66 cm
3 pts head light 33.35 cm
4 pts head light 33.03 cm
5 pts head light 32.71 cm
6 pts head light 32.39 cm
7 pts head light 32.08 cm
8 pts head light 31.76 cm
9 pts head light 31.44 cm
10 pts head light 31.12 cm
11 pts head light 30.81 cm
12 pts head light 30.49 cm
 
kevo82 said:
I have just done some measurements on my stock YPPs and they have a HUGE swingweight.

The only customization I made is changing the pallets with more rounder ones, and replace the leather grip with Karakal.

I used this tutorial to measure the swing weight

The weight is 325 g strung

I got 33.8 cm balance point, and for 10 swings (3cm the distance from the handle to the hanging point), I got 13, 13.2 and 13.4 seconds.

If I choose the lowest time, 13 seconds I get a 526 SW...
If I choose the highest time, 13.4 seconds, I get 551 SW...

In any combination, I get a SW over 520

This means I don't need to add lead...just by replacing the pallet and the Calf Skin Grip with syntetic one, the SW got from 320 to 520 ???

It's possible?
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youve lowered the weight by swapping the grip but youve added 200 sw points haha!!!

im thinking 3cm distance from the hanging point to the bottom of the handle is where you are going wrong, mine is usually about 64cm from butt to the top cross string.
My swings are closer to 14 seconds yet my sw is 360.....

work out where youve gone wrong mate, cos you certainly have :)
 
Meaghan said:
youve lowered the weight by swapping the grip but youve added 200 sw points haha!!!

im thinking 3cm distance from the hanging point to the bottom of the handle is where you are going wrong, mine is usually about 64cm from butt to the top cross string.
My swings are closer to 14 seconds yet my sw is 360.....

work out where youve gone wrong mate, cos you certainly have :)
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:) Nooo, I think you got it wrong...It's not about the high.

I was talking about 3cm (~1inch) from the axle point where the head of the racquet is hanged, to the axle point where the handle stops it's swing

I will try again with 6cm (~2inches)
 
LOL I think I got it wrong...I was thinking that I have to measure the distance from the handle, to the point where the handle stops swinging :)

After you told me that yours is usually 64 cm, I read again the instructions, and you are right...


Let's see what crappy SW I will get now :|
 
Crap...I read the instructions carefully and I got 310 :-?

Everytime, on both racquets I get 13.4 for 10 swings, the distance from the bottom to the hanging point is 62.8 cm

So my SW actually decreased by removing weight from the handle by replacing it with a synthetic one...

That doesn't sounds logic also...by removing weight from the handle it means that is less HL therefore more SW...It's strange and now I will have to add lead under the caps from 3 o'clock, all the way to 9 o'clock (including 12 o'clock), like Safin had. The question is if in the handle also or not?
 
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kevo82 said:
Crap...I read the instructions carefully and I got 310 :-?

Everytime, on both racquets I get 13.4 for 10 swings, the distance from the bottom to the hanging point is 62.8 cm

So my SW actually decreased by removing weight from the handle by replacing it with a synthetic one...

That doesn't sounds logic also...by removing weight from the handle it means that is less HL therefore more SW...It's strange and now I will have to add lead under the caps from 3 o'clock, all the way to 9 o'clock (including 12 o'clock), like Safin had. The question is if in the handle also or not?
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yes if you lose weight from any part of the racket your sw will go down, as it would go up (albeit very little) even if you add 1g to the butt.

In my opinion I would revert back to the heavier grip or add lead in the handle to compensate for weight discrepency between leather and synthetic and then add a couple of grams at 10 & 2. This should revert the balance back to something more manageable and also add about 6pts of sw. Best to do this on the inside of the hoop so you can add and take away lead to get whats right for you.
 
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