The HEAVY RACQUET LOVER'S CLUB

sunnyIce

Semi-Pro
i'v upped my weight now.

on my ag100, i'm playing with
368g ~12.9oz
leather+og
lead 9g under handle
7g at 3,9,12
Balance ~ 31.6, 8.5 HL
SW ~335
String BA micro 56

plays quite solid. good feel.
 

harryz

Professional
Help needed PLEASE

Can anyone step in and take over updating the thread with new members as needed? I pulled a muscle in my ribs last night and typing doesn't help. Fortunately, x-Rays this morning were negative for fractures. Still looks like at least a couple of weeks of no tennis. Damn!
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
IMO, heavy racquets are great for everything except serving. Granted, if you can efficiently and consistently produce your normal serve motion with a heavy stick, then the results will be great, but I just can't do it.

I was playing K6.1 with a little lead the other day, which was about 12.7 oz and it was fantastic for everthing. Loved shortening my strokes and letting the weight do the work. And, I got off some really heavy serves, but overall, my serve was much more erratic and I tired quickly. 11.7 or 11.8 oz frames are perfect serving frames for me. So much easier to get head speed and keep it up over a longer match.
Use a different serving motion for heavy racquets - basically you use plowthrough instead of racquethead speed. BTW, my old Dunlops weigh in a 17 ounces. I don't use them anymore except for hacking around.
 

jetlee2k

Banned
I have my 4 KPS88 customized lead @3,9 and above the grip, hybrid Luxilon Rough cross @46, VSTouch 16 Main @49, Full set of string savers, Wilson Dampener, A full length of Fairway Leather Grip, Wilson Pro Overgrip.. Total weight is 410g or 14.46oz.. it's the best setup i've tried so far.. !!.
 

Arafel

Professional
I use the Wilson Ultra 2. I know it's between 12 and 13 ounces, but not sure of the SW. I think the balance is around 4-5 pts HL.
 

bhupaes

Professional
I've modified my ProKennex 7g racquets thus:

- 3 grams of lead tape at 12 o'clock
- 12 grams of lead tape wrapped around the handle near the butt cap
- Prince cushion fit grip (grip size is 4 3/8 )
- Prince Topspin 15g string at 55 lbs

I was surprised to find that my racquet now weighs 352 grams / 12.5 oz (stock weight is listed at 11.8 oz). I estimate the SW to be around 340 or so (since the stock SW is 330). It feels fantastic.

I think I made it into this club by the skin of my teeth... :)
 

mawashi

Hall of Fame
My lightest vantage is 356g n the heaviest is 362g, my yonex RDS002Tour is at least 365g n I don't want to know how heavy my Ki5 PSE is but it's an easy 380g.

Do I qualify LOL!

mawashi
 

LPShanet

Banned
Count me in. Pretty much everything I've ever used has been over 350g and 350 swingweight. Currently using ancient Yonex RD Power 10s at 360g with 365 SW. Previous frame was Babolat Pure Control with essentially same specs. Previous frames include Prince Graphite Series 90s and Rossignol F200 carbons, as well as assorted wood frames.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I use mostly frame, as J011y can attest. After all, that's where all the lead is concentrated.
Been meaning to give you a call. Now that they jacked the rates at the NTC, do you know somewhere else we can play.

Kind of lame to pay $30 an hour to play outside. . .

J
 

IamNadal

Banned
I use a k90 leaded up to 15 oz and 20 pts hl.

the lead tape on the handle made the racket from a 1/4 grip size to a 1/2
 

LPShanet

Banned
Been meaning to give you a call. Now that they jacked the rates at the NTC, do you know somewhere else we can play.

Kind of lame to pay $30 an hour to play outside. . .

J
Hmmm, didn't realize they had raised them. What were they before? Can't remember. Anyway, I'd say Prospect Park is a pretty good option, since they're on the permit system in the summer. Other possibles are the public courts at NTC (the practice courts just outside the main facility are part of the Dept of Parks' program not the NTC's fee structure), Riverside in Manhattan, and Astoria Park.
 
No matter what the name of the game is keeping the racket as light as possbile so that you have manuverability.

For instance, best racket I have every moded is 11.5oz, 27.5", SW 340, balance does not even matter at this weight.

The more of a pure S&V you are the heavier you tend to "need" your racket, but in todays game there is not much S&V.

However you have to understand that the heavier the racket and the higher the SW you become more and more vulnerable at the basline, so you can not have both it is one or the other.
 
No matter what the name of the game is keeping the racket as light as possbile so that you have manuverability.

For instance, best racket I have every moded is 11.5oz, 27.5", SW 340, balance does not even matter at this weight.

The more of a pure S&V you are the heavier you tend to "need" your racket, but in todays game there is not much S&V.

However you have to understand that the heavier the racket and the higher the SW you become more and more vulnerable at the basline, so you can not have both it is one or the other.
That 340 swingweight certainly isn't considered "light" though, is it? I have used many over 12 oz frames that have sw in the 320's that would be more maneuverable.
 
That 340 swingweight certainly isn't considered "light" though, is it? I have used many over 12 oz frames that have sw in the 320's that would be more maneuverable.
That is what a person thinks instinctively, but it does not work out that way.

That is the whole point behind polarization, is that it increases the manuverability of the racket, and on top of that when you have a racket that is 11.5oz it is just as if not more manuverable as that 12oz frame.

That is real racket technology, the new materials and etc are just plain stupid.
 

LPShanet

Banned
No matter what the name of the game is keeping the racket as light as possbile so that you have manuverability.

For instance, best racket I have every moded is 11.5oz, 27.5", SW 340, balance does not even matter at this weight.

The more of a pure S&V you are the heavier you tend to "need" your racket, but in todays game there is not much S&V.

However you have to understand that the heavier the racket and the higher the SW you become more and more vulnerable at the basline, so you can not have both it is one or the other.
The basic physics of mass and momentum would appear, at least on the surface of things, not to agree with you. A freight train hits a ball harder than a cotton ball, regardless of where the mass is distributed.
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
No matter what the name of the game is keeping the racket as light as possbile so that you have manuverability.

For instance, best racket I have every moded is 11.5oz, 27.5", SW 340, balance does not even matter at this weight.

The more of a pure S&V you are the heavier you tend to "need" your racket, but in todays game there is not much S&V.

However you have to understand that the heavier the racket and the higher the SW you become more and more vulnerable at the basline, so you can not have both it is one or the other.
Why would a heavy racquet make you vulnerable at the baseline?
 

Arafel

Professional
Well, according to woodtennis.com my Ultra 2 has:

13oz strung (I think mine are around 12.5)
357 sw
6 pts headlight
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
I don't think it makes ME, vulnerable at the baseline.

I have general incompetence for that, no need for a racquet to do the job I can do on my own.

J
With you on that one. Have racquets I like. They're a nice weight. The thing that kills me on the baseline at the moment is my horrific footwork. If I could only move my feet... instead of staring at the pretty shot coming at me. ;-)
 

Grizvok

Semi-Pro
With you on that one. Have racquets I like. They're a nice weight. The thing that kills me on the baseline at the moment is my horrific footwork. If I could only move my feet... instead of staring at the pretty shot coming at me. ;-)
Well then you are missing the most important aspect of baseline rallying aren't you?
 

ramseszerg

Professional
I didn't know this either, but swingweight is actually measured in kg*cm^2, not in grams. Often just referred to as swingweight units/unitless.
 

harryz

Professional
Updated list-- more members all the time

Now that I'm back to hitting after being hurt--and loving it!-- it's time to update the list. Here goes, warriors:

1. HarryZ
2. HydroYang PROVISIONAL pending use of LEAD TAPE
3. VGP
4. Tofi
5. Thepowerofchoice
6. RestockingTues
7. Markwillplay
8. Mick
9. Goosala
10. fuzz nation
11. ag200boy
12. T1000
13. In D Zone
14. JackKYKung
15. vndesu
16. mcLovin
17. madmanfool
18. lilxjohnyy
19. Run
20. mdqm
21. a-naik.1
22. Matchmaker
23. Robby C
24. Bud
25. Coonio
26. jayserinos99
27. timokabo
28. Keifers
29. Kalic
30. am22fcw
31. a_2c+
32. syfo-dias
33. dunno
34. CountValkyrie
35. hellojeffo
36. RanchDressing
37. dexlan
38. rev200g
39. Sentinel
40. V205
41. Dino Lagaffe
42. Betafranca
43. Jack&Coke-- A Man Among Boys and Honorary Initial Member of The Heavy Racquet Lover's Hall of Fame
44. ACM
45. Goosala
46. OTMPut
47. swedechris
48. Satch
49. Drudge
50. tball
51. JO11yroger-- A Legend
52. jaewonnie
53. SunnyIce
54. P8ntballa
55. ProTour630
56. nhat8121
57. sstchur
58. 4zureSky
59. ksixone95
60. chess9
61. Grizvok
62. Winners or Errors (add some lead and/or leather, dude!)
63. jetlee2k
64. Arafel
65. bhupaes
66. mawashi
67. LPShanet
68. IamNadal (are you, really? Why are you using a K90?)
70. Beastforearm

Oh yeah: 69. (Count) Drakulie

Now go out and hit that heavy ball.

Harry
 

T0P5P1N@DD1CT

New User
Count me in!! Um, well, I mean, can I join? (see sig)

And, yea, I agree w/ JRog. Heavy stick doesn't make me vulnerable- if any, it makes the guy on the other end vulnerable. He's the one who has to suffer through the onslaught of heavy topspin tennis balls...:oops: :)
 

rockbox

Semi-Pro
I thought I was already in this club. My MG prestige pro weighs in a tad over 13 ounces. IF I get in better shape, I probably will add a more weight.
 

goosala

Hall of Fame
Count me in:
Yamaha Secret 04
Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90
Wilson K Factor 90
Wilson K Factor K Pro Staff 88

I consider these the heaviest frames that I have owned but in addition to these I have owned POG mids, Yonex RDX500, RDS001, Kennex Redondo, PS85 6.0, Donnay Pro One.
 

poopscoops

New User
Ugh(!) Sign me up --

Pro Staff Classic (6.1)..... 15+ years
K90 Tour....................... 2 months
N90 Tour....................... 1 week

Also, enjoy playing with a friend's K88 and PS85 :wink:
 

ls206

Professional
Hey hey, sign me up to the list :)

just taken some weight off my stick and it now weights 360g on the dot!

325g stock (unstrung)
total of 10g added to 12, 3 & 9
a 5p piece in the buttcap (~4g)

other weight is made up by dampener and overgrip.

I think the swingweight is around 325...no idea though.
 

subaru3169

Semi-Pro
i guess i should be in here right now.. both my rackets are wilson prostaffs 6.0 midsize 85 starting at 12.6oz.. add in the dampener, overgrip and strings then i don't know what the weight is
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
My Prince NXG Mid+ weights 14.8 oz strung. :)
3 Dunlop Revelation Tour Pros at 17 oz. These aren't my regular rackets anymore but my son uses them from time to time. I have a second KPS arriving tomorrow (but I won't be around to pick it up). I find plenty of power and weight in the stock stick and plan to leave it at that.

Unless I get restless.
 

harryz

Professional
Time to update the list

thanks and welcome to new members. stay tuned. We may not be the biggest club, but we carry big sticks.

Harry
 

squints

Rookie
thanks and welcome to new members. stay tuned. We may not be the biggest club, but we carry big sticks.

Harry
lol gotta say this is probably the club with the most comedic members.

My racquet history includes the prostaff classic 6.1, PS tour 90, n90, and now the yonex rds001 mid.
 

Sadow

New User
Well I do not have a weight for my racket. But I am using a Tfight 320 V02 Max with 4g on 3 and 9 with leather grip. Along with my trusty rubber band dampener I am guessing around 350g at least?
 

rosewall4ever

Semi-Pro
Question 4 those in the club----

Many advocate here that such racquet are advantageous because it encourages proper technique. If thats the case then would you say those who can't play with a heavy racquet (not those who prefer not to play) because it hurts their arm/ wrist suggest their technique is wrong in some way? - A heavy frame is then a yardstick for proper technique.

I raise this question because an uncle of mine who has been playing for 30+ year says racquets like the 85 are good 'training racquets'
 

Keifers

Legend
Question 4 those in the club----

Many advocate here that such racquet are advantageous because it encourages proper technique. If thats the case then would you say those who can't play with a heavy racquet (not those who prefer not to play) because it hurts their arm/ wrist suggest their technique is wrong in some way? - A heavy frame is then a yardstick for proper technique.

I raise this question because an uncle of mine who has been playing for 30+ year says racquets like the 85 are good 'training racquets'
There's the more classic technique -- long, smooth swings with the arm and wrist fairly relaxed, using more traditional grips (eastern, continental) -- and the more modern technique -- emphasis on generating racquet head speed to create big topspin, using western and semi-western grips.

A heavy frame will very likely encourage better classic technique because you need good preparation, footwork and swing to get that weight around smoothly and effectively.

Depending on how heavy the frame is, modern technique can be compromised by the weight, especially if the swingweight is also high. If the sw is low, modern technique is still quite doable with a heavier frame.

Overall, I'm a big believer in using the heaviest frame you can play well with, whatever your technique. The weight will encourage better technique -- and help prevent wrist, elbow and arm injuries.
 
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