The J011yroger Guide to Racquet Selection.

Worry about that when you crack the top 10. My guide is about finding the right racquet for you. Follow the guidelines as you try various bats and judge for yourself. Maybe you will end up with a mid maybe not. Evefryone is different.

J
 
Ok, I definitely don't want to re-ignite the mid and over size stick wars here but if big, strong pros(ie, Rafa, Nalbandian, Bagdatis, Agassi, Djokavic, Roddick etc) can use 95- 100 heads and still consistenly control the ball then what the heck are we still using smaller heads?
I'm currently using the RDS 001 90 and love it however my buddy just bought a pure drive and it's added some pace to his game. As for touch, the jury's still out. I don't want to sell my Yonexes
PS I'm a 5.0+ and play on clay in Taiwan.

It's not their physical size or strength, at least not exactly. These guys all use extreme grips, and the power frames are much easier to use/control with that type of grip. ;) CC
 
Thanks for your outstanding guide, but i still don't get one thing.

One of the most important aspects, you say, is depth. I'm 100% on your same page on that, but how do you "measure" depth?

In other words, depth you can reach is also influenced by the court you play on and the strenght that your opponent puts into the ball (that you can use to your own profit).

Assume you have a raquet and that you can hit nice a deep when playing against a good hitter on a hard surface, whereas you struggle when shifting over to clay and playing against a "pusher" (or slow drammatically regular hitter)

Would you reccomend a change in the frame then?
 
^^^ Really two choices.

If you struggle for depth at any time, I would look into your selection. Find something that that will allow you to keep paceless balls deep on dirt, and then test it out against the bigger hitters on hard.

The situation you describe sounds like you are struggling to create your own pace. So when you are playing against a bigger hitter, on a surface that doesn't take pace away, you do ok by turning their ball around and getting it deep.

But when someone doesn't give you anything to work with, you are comming up a bit short (tee hee).

The other thing that could cause that (I obviously haven't seen you play) is that you are a big topspin player and your swingpath/style is mostly vertical and as a result of that you rely on your opponent's pace to make up the forward component of your ball trajectory, while your stroke just adds topspin. Which would also account for your ball falling short when you are getting balls with nothing on them.

I think that if you were to find something that allowed you to play well against the slow ball on dirt, you would do just fine with it on hard against the bigger hitters.

If you don't want to switch racquets (Remember rule #1 you have to like and be happy with what you are playing with.) Then I would advise having a frame (or as many as required by your competitive level) in your bag strung a bit looser to help pick up the slack when you need the extra depth.

J
 
^^^ Really two choices.

If you struggle for depth at any time, I would look into your selection. Find something that that will allow you to keep paceless balls deep on dirt, and then test it out against the bigger hitters on hard.

The situation you describe sounds like you are struggling to create your own pace. So when you are playing against a bigger hitter, on a surface that doesn't take pace away, you do ok by turning their ball around and getting it deep.

But when someone doesn't give you anything to work with, you are comming up a bit short (tee hee).

The other thing that could cause that (I obviously haven't seen you play) is that you are a big topspin player and your swingpath/style is mostly vertical and as a result of that you rely on your opponent's pace to make up the forward component of your ball trajectory, while your stroke just adds topspin. Which would also account for your ball falling short when you are getting balls with nothing on them.

I think that if you were to find something that allowed you to play well against the slow ball on dirt, you would do just fine with it on hard against the bigger hitters.

If you don't want to switch racquets (Remember rule #1 you have to like and be happy with what you are playing with.) Then I would advise having a frame (or as many as required by your competitive level) in your bag strung a bit looser to help pick up the slack when you need the extra depth.

J

What Jo11y said! ;) CC
 
Well, here it is, and maybe a bit overdue. This thread will detail my thoughts on racquet selection, the best racquet for you, midsize, oversize, weight, swingweight, stiffness, blah blah blah.

***Disclaimer*** this is my own personal opinion, and that is what I am sharing with you. I am not saying it is the final word, the word of god, I am not saying that I am right, and dissenters are wrong. Please read with an open mind, think this information through, and comment if you wish.

This post is geared more towards the intermediate player, as beginners will have bigger fish to fry than racquet selection, and won't really have the stroke mechanics to take full advantage of the differences in frames. While advanced players should have a darned good idea of what they should be using. But I would like to think that most players could glean some insight from this thread.

If you have your racquet already picked out, and want some insight on how many you should ideally have please check this thread http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=127992.

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Ok, the first think I want to address is brand. Pretty much every brand out there makes good quality racquets. The only ones I would steer people away from would be the wierd ones like Blackburne, Power angle, etc.

Most all companies make competing racquets in all ranges so once you figure out about what you are looking for, you can demo a few frames from a few brands, and pick the one you like best.

The single most important thing about a racquet is that you like it. You absolutely must like the way the racquet feels to you, the way it plays, the way it looks. If a racquet feels too stiff, too rattly, too dead, too light, too heavy, the grip doesn't feel right, you hate the color, or it hurts in any way when you are hitting, then it isn't the right racquet for you. This is so immensely important. If you don't like the racquet, or if you have to think at all about it, then you will not be able to play to your fullest. You should just be able to pick up your racquet and play with it.

The single most important attribute of a tennis player is consistency. You absolutely must keep the ball in play at all costs. Every shot you miss you forfiet the point. Until you get to about #200 in the world tennis is about one more ball. The difference as you go up in level is the quality of that ball, which will be addressed in the next point. So many times you hear people say "When I hit it right the racquet is awesome" what they leave out is the part about hitting it wrong and losing the point. You need the racquet that lets you hit 8 or 9 good shots out of ten, not the racquet that lets you hit one or two phenominal shots and 6 mediocre ones. If you need to do something out of the ordinary (Swing faster, swing slower, more topspin, less topspin, hit earlier, hit later.) in order to produce good results with a frame, then your consistency is going to suffer. Now, it is OK to pick something if you intend to grow into it, but be realistic, if you have been playing for 20 years once a week, take lessons once a month, are you really gonna develop that wicked western forehand you want anytime soon? Or is a more realistic goal just to add a bit of topspin to your game? Make sure you have the time and inclination to play the frame, and develop the game that suits it before you go and shell out the coin. The old saying fits about excersising and loosing weight. "It is a lot easier to buy the shorts than to do the situps".

After Consistency, the next most important thing in tennis is DEPTH. Let me say that again. DEPTH once more incase you weren't paying attention Depth above all. You can hit the most wicked topspin, you can hit the ball 100mph, it won't do you a lick of good if you are dropping them into the service box. (Assuming we all know that I am not talking about angle winners, drop shots, and other shots hit short to facilitate winning a point.) Your racquet should allow you to hit the ball deep and when I say deep, I mean beyond the service line at the minimum, preferably in the back third of the court. You should be able to hit deep AT WILL AND WITHOUT EFFORT in all types of baseline rallying. If your balls are landing short, you need more power, you can get it from weight, string, stiffness, headsize, wherever you choose, but get it from somewhere.

With reguard to racquet weight, and racquet Swingweight. I advocate playing the heaviest racquet that you can play well with. This weight is different for different people. Some people may find anything over 10.2oz to be too heavy, some people will play with a 14oz racquet. What does this mean. The primary factor that you should be able to judge ideal racquet weight/swingweight by is being able to get around on the ball. Out of all the people you play with, or intend to play, or want to be able to play with in the near future, you must be able to get around on the vast majority of their balls. What I mean by get around, is hitting the ball with your full normal swing, and not feeling rushed, and hitting the ball ON TIME. Anyone can smoke feedballs with any racquet, anyone can convince themself that they are playing great when they try out their new racquet against Aunt Thelma, and her moonballs. When you are in competition, when you are on the run, when you are playing in the wind, when you are playing on a lousy surface, when your opponent is hitting behind you, can you get the racquet around on the ball, and hit it on time? Or are you constantly late? Anyone can hit a good shot when they have plenty of time to set up, and line the shot up. If in match play, when you are on the run if you are late on the ball too often, your racquet is probably too heavy/too high swingweight. If your ball is deep in a casual rally, but it shortens up when you are under pressure, on the run, your racquet is probably too heavy/too high swingweight.
The second factor, which should only be a factor if the racquet is WAY TOO HEAVY is fatigue. If you feel tired after swinging the racquet during a hitting session, or after serving three sets, then it is WAY too heavy. Once again it is ok to buy something with a little extra heft if you like it, and have the intention of building up some endurance, but be realistic. Are you really going to put in the effort? A 12oz racquet doesn't build up your forearm muscles while it is sitting in your bag, you need to go out and hit balls with it. . . lots of them. Don't buy the racquet with the intention of growing into it if you are not prepared to put forth the effort.

When discussing weight you will hear the argument that a racquet can't be too heavy for you because women and children played with wooden racquets that weighed way more back in the day, and Sampras learned to play with wood, and he turned out OK, so you just must be a sissy if you can't play with a racquet waying Xoz. This argument is complete and utter HOGWASH (Yea I would have said something else in an unmoderated forum.) They played with heavy wood back when that is what there was. Ballspeed was NOWHERE NEAR in the league that it is now. The ball traveled slower, so you had that much more time to get around on the ball, and didn't have to put nearly as much work on the ball to maintain depth when you were countering a slower less spinny ball. I personally hit a very very heavy ball, and have had many a club player come and tell me "When we hit, I just can't get the ball past the service line". If you can't get around on the majority of balls from the people you play with, you need less weight.

Davy Crockett did ok with a musket, but I'll be damned if I am gonna wade into battle with one in 2007. Sure you could shoot someone dead with one, but given the choice I'll be taking that AR15 into battle thank you very much. Heck I can play high 3.0 tennis with a corn bristled broom (Much to the dismay of the local high school JV Team.) But that doesn't make it a good idea.

On headsize. Play with what you feel comfortable with, what you can hit the sweetspot on regularly. If you are having trouble finding the sweetspot on a regular basis, then the sweetspot is too small. Nuff Said. Headsize is also one of the areas you can get more power from.

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did you really play 3.0 tennis or your local jv tennis team with a broom? thats pretty cool if you did.
 
What's up J?, When we going to get out to hit a bit, I have to get back into the LI thread. what can you tell me about the liquid metal rad midplus, just purchased one, I think I am swithcing from os Agassi le to midplus lm depending on feel.
 
What's up J?, When we going to get out to hit a bit, I have to get back into the LI thread. what can you tell me about the liquid metal rad midplus, just purchased one, I think I am swithcing from os Agassi le to midplus lm depending on feel.

Sweet, I resisted buying the neon agassi nikes for a 2nd time today, if I hadn't I might have had to buy one of your old LEs off of you put on my pirate bandana and cutoff denim shorts and sported the agassi look.

I dunno much about radicals in general, you sure I can't get you hooked on some nice Wilsons? Got a bag full of demos for Paul to try tomorrow.

Whenever you want to get together and knock it around, I am willing. You can see how I hit with my new frames, just fired one up for the first time tonite.

Are you still getting the e-mails from the Yahoo group?

Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat would work for me next week.

J
 
Thurs night would work best for me. Def bring one of those wilson kick ass raquets you use to use, would love to try one out. I am done with the os hell I am only 30 not 60, I took my old rad mid plus twin tube out about 3 weeks ago and took that set 6-1 and it felt great love the mid feel why I ever change is beyond me. It is time to step it up on the tennis court, got an assistant at work starting monday so hopefully i can start playing at least 2 times a week.
 
"Sweet, I resisted buying the neon agassi nikes for a 2nd time today, if I hadn't I might have had to buy one of your old LEs off of you put on my pirate bandana and cutoff denim shorts and sported the agassi look."

3 year absenses from the game make you remember the fondness of your youth. Damn my impulsive behavior now I have 3 of the LE Agassi rads, and only like the feel of one of them which sadly is out if commission busted the strings over a month ago and have been to lazy to bring it to woodbury sports for a re string oh well on to the midplus
 
"Sweet, I resisted buying the neon agassi nikes for a 2nd time today, if I hadn't I might have had to buy one of your old LEs off of you put on my pirate bandana and cutoff denim shorts and sported the agassi look."

3 year absenses from the game make you remember the fondness of your youth. Damn my impulsive behavior now I have 3 of the LE Agassi rads, and only like the feel of one of them which sadly is out if commission busted the strings over a month ago and have been to lazy to bring it to woodbury sports for a re string oh well on to the midplus

Hey, I was out for 6 years, makin up for it now.

My midwinter slump is in force now, but hopefully I can fight against it well enough so that I remember which end of the racquet to hold come springtime.

I will see about booking a court for thur. Kings park good for you, or do you prefer somewhere else, It's all the same for me.

J
 
Kings park works for me. Has to be after 7pm is that cool? Have you and Paul been hitting? I have to get back intouch with him havent hit with Paul in over a month. Tomorrow night I hit the courts for the 1st time in like 3 weeks and 1st time on hard courts in about 2 months not to mention a new stick in hand should be interesting.
 
Kings park works for me. Has to be after 7pm is that cool? Have you and Paul been hitting? I have to get back intouch with him havent hit with Paul in over a month. Tomorrow night I hit the courts for the 1st time in like 3 weeks and 1st time on hard courts in about 2 months not to mention a new stick in hand should be interesting.

Ok, I will call tomorrow and book a court if they have one, else I will try syosset or bethpage.

No need to worry about being rusty, I hit like a sissy, am sure you will have no problem with my marshmellow balls.

J
 
I am always impressed by your non stop inch inside the baseline shots. I look forward to the hitting session. I am trying to get back into the yahoo group I will try and throw a message up there, any new members? Do you still got my cell #? If so let me know the time on thurs., if not leyt me know and I will give it to you.
 
I am always impressed by your non stop inch inside the baseline shots. I look forward to the hitting session. I am trying to get back into the yahoo group I will try and throw a message up there, any new members? Do you still got my cell #? If so let me know the time on thurs., if not leyt me know and I will give it to you.

A few new guys yea, hitting with one tomorrow, played for Penn, D1 so very solid. And a kid who is 19, was a tourney playing junior, he plays like me but about 75% of everything I am.

J
 
That's cool, I just posted on the LI yahoo group so hopefully I can start making the rounds with others. Anyone you recomend on my level? You and Paul are leaps and bounds better if that helps to choose someone more towards my level.
 
That's cool, I just posted on the LI yahoo group so hopefully I can start making the rounds with others. Anyone you recomend on my level? You and Paul are leaps and bounds better if that helps to choose someone more towards my level.

Ill tell ya who you would hit well with Thur, don't want to be throwing peoples real names around on the boards without their OK.

J
 
No problem, this is probably something more suited for the li board anyways. Send me a text about thurs night sometime during the week. Talk to ya soon
 
Ok iam going with these
Head Liquidmetal Radical Mid+ (3/8) (for my friend)
Head Agassi Limited Edition Radical (1/2) (for myself)
 
Ok iam going with these
Head Liquidmetal Radical Mid+ (3/8) (for my friend)
Head Agassi Limited Edition Radical (1/2) (for myself)

I was using the Le OS rad but decided to switch to the LM mid plus. So far the jury is still out on the Lm rad only hit with it for about and hr. The LE rad is a nice raquet, just wanted to gety back to the midplus.
 
so what kind of racquet should i get? lol this thread makes lots of sense, plus thats why a lot of places have demo centers, so you can try it out before buying.
 
Strung or unstrung?

Great thread going here. But I want to clarify one thing. When everyone talks about weight (12 oz., 11oz, etc.) Are they referring to strung weight or unstrung weight?
 
excellent thread.I personally use an 11 oz racquet,and I hit a pretty good ball.I see a lot of guys struggeling with heavier racquets and not playing well with them.there is no reasin for it.
 
Wich YONEX Racquet is the most similar to the PD Cortex Or Head Microgel Extreme??

Wich YONEX racquet is the most similar to the Pure Drive Cortex or the Head Microgel Extreme?

In the way to hit the balls of course :p.
 
how about string patterns? I've been using 18*20 for a long time works wonders for the backhand, but having problems with the forehand. i've heard comments that i would be better suited a open string pattern, and sometimes i feel it may be true. but my weapons are from my backhand afterall... hmm kinda confusing.

thanks for anyhelp and great thread dude!
 
An open pattern will give you more bite on the ball, will have a hotter stringbed, will be less directionally accurate, will break more strings, and the ball will launch at a slightly higher angle off the racquet face.

Lots of people generalize that flat hitters are more suited to dense patterns, and topspin players are more suited to open ones.

I don't really feel that way, I am more on board with the thought of seeing what your ball does with your current racquet, and comparing that to your ideal.

If the ball you are hitting is too spinny and landing short or sitting up then try something with a denser pattern, if your ball is flying long because you are not getting enough bite on it for your current stroke to keep it in, then try a more open pattern.

Spin comes from the player, but the pattern allows you to do what you are already capable of, or it amplifies or mutes what you already have.

I am going to annex this to the main guide since many people ask about pattern.

But in your specific case, what difference do you see between your forehand and backhand with the two patterns?

J
 
hey jolly, thanks for the reply.

well i guess, with an open pattern,i hit much hbetter forehand, deeper and definitely helps to amplify the spin.
problem is my 2hbh is rather flat, and i finish most rallies with it anyway. i love the 18x20 pattern, the directional control, been using it for close to 6 years with very little complaints. but recently, i've had surgery and need to finish points much earlier.
should i still stick to it? or change?
 
Before buying a new frame, I would string the 18X20 looser and see if you can't get your depth back, while retaining the dense pattern directional control.

J
 
Stringing Guide ???

So where is it ??

It is not in Racquets subforum, or Stringing or Tips and Instruction.
So where prey tell can we find it.

Cheers
 
Next up: "The J011yroger Guide to Vibration Dampners."

J

Hmmm this one is an easy one ... just pick a racket/string combination that's sufficiently soft/muted and yet provides enough feedback, and DON'T USE ONE ! :)
The only racket that I felt had improved feedback with a dampener is the MSpeed Pro 1. With my Volkl's, Vantage's and Dunlop's I don't usually use any dampener
 
I particularly liked that you stressed depth as the very first necessity in finding a racquet (though I think that depth is a function of swing mechanics+raquet weight=depth).

Depth, or the ability to control the length of your shot, is everything. Great post. And I should know. I've found the "perfect" racquet about one hundred times now.
 
I particularly liked that you stressed depth as the very first necessity in finding a racquet (though I think that depth is a function of swing mechanics+raquet weight=depth).

Depth, or the ability to control the length of your shot, is everything. Great post. And I should know. I've found the "perfect" racquet about one hundred times now.

Thanks for the props, and yea, I know I sound like a broken record to some, but I still preach depth over all else.

J
 
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