The J011yroger guide to strings.

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  1. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    No harm in trying them.

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  2. volley collie

    volley collie New User

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    Is the string pirate still sailing or should I post this elsewhere, or can someone point me towards the answer?

    I'm wanting a better idea of durability : cost regarding how nat gut can be cost effective. Looking at TW single sets prices:

    Syn Gut : $3.50 - $9

    Multi : $5 - 20

    Gut : $25 - 40

    I'm not a stringbreaker; I play 3 sets of doubles 3 times a week.

    Other q's - what's the deal with coated nat gut - and I've heard there's a coating you apply yourself?

    Does nat gut decline over time regardless of playing time?

    Does the difference between $25 and $40 gut include durability?
     
  3. SpinToWin

    SpinToWin Talk Tennis Guru

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    Durability and price are not especially related, unless you're considering budget gut. The most durable gut is Tonic + Longevity >15L. I'm a string breaker and got nearly 20 hours on clay in a gut/poly hybrid.

    The gut remains playable till breakage really, so you have a much longer playable life, which reduces the effective cost. When not playing you only need to store gut correctly.
     
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  4. J011yroger

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    If you never break or break in months, you don't swing fast enough to get any benefit from gut, so use it if you want to be able to tell people you play with gut. Otherwise if you want something softer with more pop use multi, if not then synthetic.

    Cheap gut tends to break out of nowhere.

    Coated gut resists humidity but doesn't feel as good, lasts longer too.

    Gut dries out over time even if you don't play it, that's why it comes in thermal sealed packets.

    Forget putting stuff on your strings. The 80s are over.

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  5. kevonian

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    How bad really is tournament nylon? I use either the Forten or Gosen brand of it.

    I use it and I am a 4-4.5 player who plays 2-3 times a week. I do break it in less than 2 weeks, but I string for myself
     
  6. Lambsscroll

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    Coated Wilson Gut is nothing like the new VS gut. Wilson's gut feels good and comes with the benefits of being coated.
     
  7. volley collie

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    Thanks for the responses. To put it another way, post 1 describes syn gut as "not very durable"; multis as "not terribly durable" and nat gut as "a pretty cost effective solution for non string breakers".

    These terms aren't so helpful for someone who needs a 101. (It's a fantastic guide otherwise) Can the durability they are describing be expressed as a ratio? Or as nat gut is described as the standard against which all other strings are judged, can they be judged against it - i.e. nat gut durability is 7, kevlar 10, multi is 5, syn gut is 2 , nylon 8, poly 1?
     
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    You want a scale? That's unreasonable, not all strings are created equally.

    I'd put it like this:
    Multi is by far the least durable. This is followed somewhat closely by Syn Gut. I personally consider poly to come next, with some margin in between. Don't play it till it breaks though, cause poly goes dead and becomes rather severely uncomfortable (when that is depends on how hard you hit). Gut IME is more durable than poly, but especially has a better playability duration (until breakage). For non string breakers, gut is a great value option if you want consistent playability (if that doesn't matter, multi for comfort and syn gut for a basic cheap string to just play). Kevlar is extremely durable, but I don't consider it to be a viable option personally (despite what people here say). You essentially start out with a dead string and try to compensate for that with all kinds of means... Anyways, I'd keep any Kevlar setup away from intermediates and beginners.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    It helps lots. :)

    All disclaimers disclaimed, can I ask how many days/weeks you would expect from each type? I'm not asking for named strings, just whatever lifespan you'd expect from whatever string you'd use if restricted to that category.
     
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    It totally depends. Some here need 10 hours to go through 18 gauge multi and I go through 16 gauge in a few hours (I got less than 2 hours from multi/poly hybrids). It won't help you if I tell you how long strings last for me, your thoughts should be more along the lines of what your priorities are.
     
  11. Dave Donnelly

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    I realize this is like 10 years old. But for someone who used to string when he worked at a tennis club in the 80's, things have changed. I recently bought a stringing machine to allow me to save money since my teen sons break strings as if the tennis balls were encased with razor blades. That said, while my sons/daughter use Babolat rpm, I'm teaching them to string and they may take a shot at stringing on the side. In order to do this and having no sense of strings out there, can you give a sense for 3 or so of the most popular strings that I can buy reels so that we have at least enough types of string to be considered viable? Obviously, I can't just offer one reel, but curious if you were buying 3 to appeal to the broadest population of players, what would those three reels be?
     
  12. Overheadsmash

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    A lot of people including the high school boys like Isospeed's baseline series. Good, durable poly's. Priced right too.
     
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    +1 - just hit today with one using it in a hybrid setup.
     
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    What was your hybrid set up?
     
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    My apologies as I was not clear in my post. I meant I hit today with a H.S senior who had a hybrid setup (Isospeed Baseline crosses). My setup was a full bed poly (YPTS @50lbs).
     
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    what was strung up in the mains?
     
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    YTex Trivolution.
     
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    Thanks.

    I do the same but with Tier1 T1 Firewire. I tried Red Devil in the cross. RD felt and strung up the same. Played pretty similar as Baseline but I think it might have lost tension faster than Baseline.
     
  19. haqq777

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    Wish I had played with the kids setup. Not sure how long it lasts him, I'll ask him when I hit with him next. But I can tell you he was hitting a pretty mean ball! :)
     
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  20. Overheadsmash

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    I use the Isospeed as a cross all the time. Works well.
     
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