The last time Djokovic made a slam loss competitive was Wim 23

[Kralingen]

Rejoice everyone, Hall Monitor is back!

 

[Djokovic2011]

Before the asterisk era he didn't hold almost any of them.

Not seen you much lately SR. Funny how all the rats come rushing out the sewer as soon as Djokovic loses at a major lol.

 

[abmk]

It's not easy. I just don't think "uncompetitive" is the right word. I think Popyrin had to compete hard to get over the line.

I mean if it were (say) 5-7 6-7 6-2 6-7, wouldn't you call it competitive and be unsurprised to hear that a few years later the loser, who was 19 at the time, would beat the winner, who was 26 at the time, six straight times without losing a set?

6-4, 6-4 is certainly more straight-forward than what happened in the fed-henman match though. granted both were 2-0 or 0-2 in sets

 

[ND-13]

Guys, the slam race is over

Fed lost

Just move on and enjoy Sinner and Alcaraz

Slam race is very much on . Sinneraz are marching towards 28, which is the goal Novak had

 

[helterskelter]

6-4, 6-4 is certainly more straight-forward than what happened in the fed-henman match though. granted both were 2-0 or 0-2 in sets

Either way, you agree that if Popyrin and Djokovic play six times in the years following Indian Wells 2028, Popyrin will go 6-0 in matches and 15-0 in sets?

 

[mehdimike]

Keep telling the jokes. If Roger hadn't had such a weak field between 03 and 06 he would be several slams short.

Likewise if Novak had peaked 3 yrs earlier then Rafa would be missing a few slams.

And Novak would be missing some as well. You think Novak would have 7 Wimbledon titles if he was born in 1981 for example?

 

[GabeT]

Slam race is very much on . Sinneraz are marching towards 28, which is the goal Novak had

That’s a different slam race and they are many years away from even being contenders. If you added the total slams won by both of them and then multiplied that by two Novak would still be comfortably ahead.

If either one ever manages to sustain the level and focus required to win 25 slams then we can congratulate them.

 

[ND-13]

That’s a different slam race and they are many years away from even being contenders. If you added the total slams won by both of them and then multiplied that by two Novak would still be comfortably ahead.

If either one ever manages to sustain the level and focus required to win 25 slams then we can congratulate them.

It is the same slam race . There are new runners in the game . They are 22 and 23 and have another 15 years to play. They are better than Novak at the same age

 

[SummerBreeze]

That's some bias. So Novak vultured 8 slams and Nadal vultured 5. However, Fed only vultured one?
What about all those slams Fed won when Nadal and Novak were cubs and NEVER made it to the finals?

Wdym cubs? Take 2007 for example where djokovic and Nadal were 20 and 21. Alcaraz won the 2023 wimbledon with a US open in the bag at 20. Nadal had 2 majors bagged at 20 years old and played a Wimbledon final. If that is not stiff competition I don't know anymore.

Not forgetting to mention that Alcaraz is now 22 and could finish the year sitting on 6 or 7 already. Not bad for a 'cub'

 

[GabeT]

It is the same slam race . There are new runners in the game . They are 22 and 23 and have another 15 years to play. They are better than Novak at the same age

Great. If and when one of them wins 25 slams we can congratulate them

Meanwhile the Big 3 participated in the greatest slam race contest in the history of the sport and we have a winner

 

[StrongRule]

Not seen you much lately SR. Funny how all the rats come rushing out the sewer as soon as Djokovic loses at a major lol.

BS. I was posting a bit on the Djokovic-Sinner match thread. (was it deleted, btw? )

 

[mehdimike]

BS. I was posting a bit on the Djokovic-Sinner match thread. (was it deleted, btw? )

If Sinner won on sunday, do you think it would change the dynamics of their rivarly at once?

 

[ND-13]

Great. If and when one of them wins 25 slams we can congratulate them

Meanwhile the Big 3 participated in the greatest slam race contest in the history of the sport and we have a winner

There is no winner until race is done . Are you saying Carlos is not in the race ? Sinneraz have firmly established in the race

 

[StrongRule]

If Sinner won on sunday, do you think it would change the dynamics of their rivarly at once?

Not really. If Sinner loses though, it will be just horrible for his legacy.

 

[Hitman]

Rejoice everyone, Hall Monitor is back!

So when is Ferrero going to get burned at the stake? After Alcaraz wins three straight Wimbledons?

 

[Hitman]

BS. I was posting a bit on the Djokovic-Sinner match thread. (was it deleted, btw? )

Yes, it was deleted because too many trolls started posting in glee and got the thread deleted. It was the Wimbledon semi final thread and its freaking gone. SMH.

 

[Hitman]

There is no winner until race is done . Are you saying Carlos is not in the race ? Sinneraz have firmly established in the race

You mean until the sport is finally dead then using your way of doing it. The ever eternal slam race, dies with the sport.

 

[mehdimike]

Yes, it was deleted because too many trolls started posting in glee and got the thread deleted. It was the Wimbledon semi final thread and its freaking gone. SMH.

I cannot believe that. Mods could have locked the thread, couldn't they? It's like deleting a part of history for me

 

[Kralingen]

So when is Ferrero going to get burned at the stake? After Alcaraz wins three straight Wimbledons?

When he loses to Botox van de Goffin again on hardcourts

 

[Hitman]

When he loses to Botox van de Goffin again on hardcourts

So he is on thin ice then.

 

[Hood_Man]

even he wasn't a seriousc threat on grass , until Wimbledon 2007.

He served for the 2nd set and could have found himself 2 sets to 1 up against Federer.

 

[ND-13]

You mean until the sport is finally dead then using your way of doing it. The ever eternal slam race, dies with the sport.

If there was no Sinneraz, then we didn’t have any viable contenders and so we could have declared the race at least temporarily done

But now not so much with them winning every major since AO 24

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

If there was no Sinneraz, then we didn’t have any viable contenders and so we could have declared the race at least temporarily done

But now not so much with them winning every major since AO 24

Of course the race is still on. Sinneraz are threats to the records. Tennis keeps going and they are quality and insanely driven. Novak won the big 3 race but sinneraz or one of them can win the overall race. Let’s see how it plays out.

 

[Hitman]

If there was no Sinneraz, then we didn’t have any viable contenders and so we could have declared the race at least temporarily done

But now not so much with them winning every major since AO 24

So the race can never be truly done, thanks for confirming.

I mean, on their way to 25, if some else joins a few years later, they become viable contenders. So on and so forth. A never ending race, as players join as they win slams.

A race that will die when the sport dies.

 

[StrongRule]

Yes, it was deleted because too many trolls started posting in glee and got the thread deleted. It was the Wimbledon semi final thread and its freaking gone. SMH.

There always were trolls, but I don't remember a match thread ever getting deleted after the match has started. I wonder what so terrible could have happened there.

 

[Hitman]

There always were trolls, but I don't remember a match thread ever getting deleted after the match has started. I wonder what so terrible could have happened there.

Well, its pretty sad we lost an entire match thread, that too being the Wimbledon semi final, but clearly there was a lot of bad stuff that said hence the entire thread got nuked.

 

[beltsman]

Reminder that Old Fed crushed Djokovic at 2019 WTF.

 

[The_Order]

The result of the slam race has broken the OP...

This makes me very happy

 

[The_Order]

Well, its pretty sad we lost an entire match thread, that too being the Wimbledon semi final, but clearly there was a lot of bad stuff that said hence the entire thread got nuked.

Wait, the match thread got deleted? wtf...

 

[tudwell]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure he would’ve won RG and Wimbledon over Zverev/Musetti/Fritz this year too…

The way he played today? Barely running for anything in the third set? I could see Shelton beating him (if we just delete Sinner and Alcaraz from this same draw) and definitely Fritz in the final. Would probably have won Roland Garros, though, and last year’s Wimbledon (maybe Medvedev takes him out there?).

Obviously if Sinner and Alcaraz never existed then the tour would look completely different. Djokovic would definitely be one of the most consistent players at slams and would still be winning some, but it’s also clear his body is starting to hit a wall regardless of who he’s actually up against.

 

[Devin]

only 1 vultured slam (AO 18)

vultured = not high enough level + weak competition

no one gives a shi* that djokovic competition in AO 19 or nadal RG 20 or fed at Wim 17 were weak as they were playing at high enough level (as far as vulturing goes)

djokovic has like 8 vultured slams and nadal 4-5.

AO 2018 wasn't that bad, probably his worst performance in a slam final that he won though. 2006 IMO was a worse draw but he was able to reach a higher level though even if inconsistent.

Nadal vultured at least one USO, one AO, and one RG for sure. But he was so good at RG that I wouldn't call some of his weaker wins (i.e. 2018) as vultures.

Djokovic vultured 2 Wimbledons, at least 2 AOs, 2 RGs, and one USO.

 

[Dropshot777]

well, 1/3rd of it or like 8 slams and 2 YECs were vultured for sure ....

if decent competiton tennis, djokovic would be at 16/17 slams and 5 YECs. (fed at 19 and nadal probably 17 also)

Actually, Djoko won 50% of his slams after 2018, so I would say he vultured almost half.

 

[Third Serve]

AO 2018 wasn't that bad, probably his worst performance in a slam final that he won though. 2006 IMO was a worse draw but he was able to reach a higher level though even if inconsistent.

Would you say so? I think Davydenko was better than anyone in the 2018 draw, and Haas wasn't too bad either. Definitely not a very good draw by any stretch, but I think 2018 still takes the crown here.

 

[ghostofMecir]

djokovic still hasnt peaked yet

He’s still practicing and gaining valuable experience

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

I just don't understand how anyone expected that Djokovic could possibly win against Sinner in this match. Literally, all the odds were overwhelmingly in favour of Sinner.
The guy is 38 years old, and even Federer at 38 lost to a 32 year old Djokovic, who is clearly significantly worse than the current version of Sinner.

Now, for Sinner fans, whether Sinner wins or loses tomorrow, I feel like it may be somewhat of a win-win situation.
- If Sinner wins, then well, it's great!
- If Sinner loses, then at least the RG final loss would hurt less, because it would mean that he was not one freaking POINT away from a CYGS.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Goes to show how pathetic the 89-99 born generations were and of course djoko's decline.

That is irrelevant. 2025 Sinner defeats any version of Djokovic ever on any surface, even 2011 Djokovic at AO, 2015 Djokovic at Wimbledon, you name it.
You Federer fans keep ranting about how lucky Djokovic was to never have to face the prime version of Federer at Wimbledon. Well, guess what? Federer was also lucky to never have to face the prime version of Sinner at Wimbledon, or else, that 8 would now be a big fat ZERO.

 

[Ray Mercer]

That is irrelevant. 2025 Sinner defeats any version of Djokovic ever on any surface, even 2011 Djokovic at AO, 2015 Djokovic at Wimbledon, you name it.
You Federer fans keep ranting about how lucky Djokovic was to never have to face the prime version of Federer at Wimbledon. Well, guess what? Federer was also lucky to never have to face the prime version of Sinner at Wimbledon, or else, that 8 would now be a big fat ZERO.

You’re a joke. Sinner couldn’t even handle a bum like Medvedev last year and you think he can beat an 04 Federer? You should be thrown off the board for posting that kind of crap.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

You’re a joke. Sinner couldn’t even handle a bum like Medvedev last year and you think he can beat an 04 Federer? You should be thrown off the board for posting that kind of crap.

last year ≠ this year
2024 ≠ 2025

Please at least read my post carefully before responding so aggressively

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

I can only imagine how TTW would react in 2033 when Jannik Sinner breaks Federer's Wimbledon title record.

 

[ND-13]

Yes, it was deleted because too many trolls started posting in glee and got the thread deleted. It was the Wimbledon semi final thread and its freaking gone. SMH.

It is a shame that thread for SF majors get nuked

Often I have seen any thread where it is not favorable to Novak gets nuked. You cannot blame mods as they are usually soft to the fan base that is loud

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Before the asterisk era he didn't hold almost any of them.

He had the record for most points in the rankings in 2016, won the 4 slams in a row in 15-16, had the best season ever in 2015, achieved the career golden masters in 2018 and if I'm not wrong, he had like 8 out of 9 by 2013 or so.

Also, most records are achieved across a long period of time, not in a specific point in time. He didn't achieve the slam record in 2023, he got it from 2008 to 2023, that applies to him and everyone else, only specific records can be attributed to a specific point in time, like for instance, the ranking points record which obviously applies to a specific point since ranking points last only for a year, and most of those he didn't achieve in the so-called "asterisk era". And BTW, when Nadal got the slam record, briefly, it was in the same era. I'm sure Nadal fans would be mentioning that too if he had kept it .

 

[ghostofMecir]

That is irrelevant. 2025 Sinner defeats any version of Djokovic ever on any surface, even 2011 Djokovic at AO, 2015 Djokovic at Wimbledon, you name it.
You Federer fans keep ranting about how lucky Djokovic was to never have to face the prime version of Federer at Wimbledon. Well, guess what? Federer was also lucky to never have to face the prime version of Sinner at Wimbledon, or else, that 8 would now be a big fat ZERO.

Is this the same Sinner that was getting hit off the court by 34 year old, permanently injured, one-handed bh Grigorious?

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Is this the same Sinner that was getting hit off the court by 34 year old, permanently injured, one-handed bh Grigorious?

No, Sinner played significantly worse in R16 compared to the SF. It is obvious for anyone who's been watching the event with two functioning eyes.

 

[Devin]

Would you say so? I think Davydenko was better than anyone in the 2018 draw, and Haas wasn't too bad either. Definitely not a very good draw by any stretch, but I think 2018 still takes the crown here.

Maybe I'm misremembering level of play, although I think Federer's weakest draw en route to a slam win was strong compared to what Nadal and Djokovic have gotten the past few years.

 

[Third Serve]

Maybe I'm misremembering level of play, although I think Federer's weakest draw en route to a slam win was strong compared to what Nadal and Djokovic have gotten the past few years.

Yes… definitely.

 

[abmk]

AO 2018 wasn't that bad, probably his worst performance in a slam final that he won though. 2006 IMO was a worse draw but he was able to reach a higher level though even if inconsistent.

Nadal vultured at least one USO, one AO, and one RG for sure. But he was so good at RG that I wouldn't call some of his weaker wins (i.e. 2018) as vultures.

Djokovic vultured 2 Wimbledons, at least 2 AOs, 2 RGs, and one USO.

AO 2018 was a significantly easier draw than 2006
2006 had Haas, Davy and Baggy.

I'd say djokovic vultured Wim 19, Wim 21, Wim 22, AO 20, AO 21, AO 23, RG 23, USO 23. that's 8 slams.

nadal in USO 17 level was really no better than fed in AO 18 IMO.
he vultured USO 17, USO 19, AO 22, RG 22 atleast and I'd say he'd lose one of RG 18-20 in a decent field. so 5 slams.

 

[abmk]

Actually, Djoko won 50% of his slams after 2018, so I would say he vultured almost half.

I would exclude Wim 18, USO 18, AO 19 as they had high enough levels and RG 21 as it had it good competition (nadal+tpas)
so 8.

 

[The_Order]

AO 2018 was a significantly easier draw than 2006 man.
2006 had Haas, Davy and Baggy.

I'd say djokovic vultured Wim 19, Wim 21, Wim 22, AO 20, AO 21, AO 23, RG 23, USO 23. that's 8 slams.

nadal in USO 17 was really no better than fed in AO 18 IMO.
he vultured USO 17, USO 19, AO 22, RG 22 atleast and I'd say he'd lose one of RG 18-20 in a decent field. so 5 slams.

What absolute rubbish from the propagandist...

RG20 Nadal won without dropping a set and played a very high level in the final...

2006 Federer would have lost to him.

and as if RG18 and 19... he isn't losing to anyone either... just need to make up lies to suit the agenda...

RG22 he beat in form Djok who just won Rome without dropping a set and made the qf with dominance. FAA played the match of his life too... Zed turned up to play as well, Nadal had to battle crazy humid conditions and hit some incredible shots at his age to win the TB in the first set...

Fed otoh, vultured many slams before Djokodal arrived on the scene...

From 04AO - 07AO his draws were filled with pigeons that were happy to spread their cheeks for him... aside from a few matches here and there...

AO06 Fed's level was very average. Throwing names out like Haas, Davy and Baggy lmfao... that was a pure vulture slam... I can think of many opponents that would have beat him...

WIM05 filled with pigeons... Gonzo in the qf who was TRASH on grass... Hewitt and Roddick played well below their best.. Roddick was a shell of the player he was in the final of 2004...

US06 was another one... Blake shows up for 2 sets equals tough draw... rubbish...

US04 Fed struggled against 34 yr old Andre... if that was prime Nadal he's losing igaf how much whining you want to do... Hewett was a disgrace in the final...

AO07... Roddick bent over and spread em in the sf... Gonzo choked in his first slam final.

Then whines about Nadal US17 but nothing about Djok US18 which was practically the same level of draw...

But then says AO20 is a vulture... yeah right Thiem was playing some really good tennis in that event including the final... no way that's a vulture.

So yeah, the real vulture numbers are:

Djok: US18, W19, AO21, W21, W22, AO23, RG23, US23
Nadal: US17, US19, AO22
Federer: US04, W05, AO06, US06, AO07, AO18

Of course, everyone knows not to take you seriously anyway...

 

[TennisGrandpA]

The result of the slam race has broken the OP...

This makes me very happy

Fed had only one weak Slam (2018 AO) though lol

 

[TennisGrandpA]

I would exclude Wim 18, USO 18, AO 19 as they had high enough levels and RG 21 as it had it good competition (nadal+tpas)
so 8.

He was at good level when he beat Meddy and Thiem for his AO ,they were no worse than Fed’s many AO and USO rivals