THE MIGHTY PRO STAFF 90 THREAD

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Bender, Aug 14, 2016.

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THE BEST RACQUET EVER?

  1. PRO STAFF 90

    49.3%
  2. PRO STAFF 90

    42.3%
  3. PRO STAFF 90

    46.5%
  4. PRO STAFF 90

    42.3%
  5. PRO STAFF 90

    42.3%
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  1. pistolero

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    It’s been a while since I was on tt, figured it was time to say something after playing w the ps90(‘14) for at least a couple of years now. It’s a solid racquet and my favourite of the 90’s, blx90 being next. Still use the 85 often, a racquet I probably play best with.

    My only dislike w the ps90 is that it’s too headlight, 30.5cm/12pts. This racquet has a solid handle but the head could use some of that to make it a more offensive instrument and better on serve returns.
     
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  2. timekillers

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    For your viewing pleasure...

    Just got these today. One more on the way

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  3. NuBas

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    I agree but it does vary on some thanks to quality control. However still many good traits to the PS90 2014. Larger head size would give more forgiveness simply with more string bed but PS90 is really easy to swing and solid, takes skill to use and only suitable for people with certain game styles.

    Holy crap man do you compete with the PS90 or did you buy just to stash up? I see you got the new 6.1 in your bag, can you compare the two?
     
  4. timekillers

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    Hey there! Yes I do compete with BLX tour 90. I made a very illogical choice, I purchased 6 prostaffs before even testing. Got carried away haha but i'm certain it will feel the same if not better. After hitting with it i'll let you guys know my thoughts.
     
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  5. NuBas

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    Do a comparison between the BLX90, PS90 2014, and the new 6.1 95 you got :D
     
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  6. timekillers

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    I'm a videographer so it could be a fun project to film. But little to nervous about my playing being critiqued haha.
     
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  7. NuBas

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    Nonsense. That bag alone deserves respect and I sure won't think any less of you. I'm planning on stashing up like you hopefully in near future but that new PJ on the 6.1 would look good on the 90 or even Grey/White combo replacing that Scarlet red PWS on the 6.1 with Grey on a new PS90 paint job.
     
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  8. timekillers

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    The bag is nice but I honestly prefer my older 2008 limited edition bag. it was cheaper ($80) and the material seems much thicker and durable. I love the paint job on the 6.1 as well but I can't say I like the way it hits. Feels extremely different from my BLX.
     
  9. ByakuFubuki

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    I play with Luxilon BB Ace in full bed and have no issue hitting the sweetspot, but it could just be my low level. Pocketing is the best I have experienced, besides full gut and maybe some multis, and spin is very good to me (but that's almost as subjective as feel in my experience). To me it goes dead in around nine hours of hitting and it takes quite a bit to snap despite the thin gauge, but I'm no string breaker, so it could be that.
    I'm pretty sure by "bag" @NuBas meant its content mainly.
     
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  10. NuBas

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    Yup :D
     
  11. Bender

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    Saw your reddit post as well, looks like those guys are still in the 90 = shanking mindset
     
  12. Bender

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    I've been leading up my 90s at 12 because of this. 6 g at least in the hoop.
     
  13. ByakuFubuki

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    I'm not on Reddit and only read its threads when I'm researching something, but that's not surprising. People nowadays think only about headsize and are convinced that a 97 squared inches frame is perfectly balanced, perfect blend of power/forgiveness/spin and control/touch/comfort and all, while a 95 squared inches frame, everything else being the same, is "too small and unforgiving", "not spin friendly" and "not suited to today's game". The difference between 95 and 90 is twice as big, on paper, so add that the first thought is: Smaller head = Smaller hitting area = I will shankle 9 hits out of 10 and here you are. It doesn't help that the very few who judge the 90 (Pro Staff 90 in most cases) AFTER trying it out do so coming from years of Pure Drive/AeroPro Drive and little to no experience with anything else expecting to play as good as with their usual frame after the first few hits. Besides, on the pro tour, the only notorious sub-95 user was obviously Federer, who had a bad season in 2013 (mainly due to injuries and in my opinion an increasing mental block against Rafa developed around the Rome Final period), tried to change something up including his frame of choice, had a quite successful 2014 (not half as much as 2012, but between commentators stating it was his best season since 2009 and short memory bias, everyone believed he really hadn't played that good for ages) and everyone credited it all to the two most evident changes he made: a more aggressive (but much less diverse and complete) playing style which involved hitting most backhand returns without slicing them and his new 97 squared inches frame; and linked these two saying they go hand-in-hand (yet, those among these same people who have knowledge of players' real frames, discard any reference to Dimitrov's major success with the 93 vs the 97 with "correlation doesn't imply causation"). Edberg's presence on Federer's bench not only was always regarded as some accessory with regards to Federer's more aggressive demeanor, better returning and frequent and proficient Serve & Volley, all changes attribuited to the major power and forgiveness of 97 squared inches vs 90 (in case short memory bias is there, I suggest anyone to give a good read to what various boards in different languages said about why the Pro Staff 90 is "unusable" and count how many stated it's too hard to attack, rather than to defend), but I remember the General Pro Player Discussion session of this forum blaming him for Federer's 2014 and 2015 not being as succesful as his early 2017 (because it obviously was Edberg's fault for teaching him something as safe and defensive as Serve & Volley rather than blasting balls from the baseline, nothing to do with a certain Serb guy six years younger being at his peak rather than injured and distracted). Should I also say that in my country commentators blame the "old racquet" every time the talk about Federer's defeat to Stakhovsky (a couple of hints: Federer's back had been aching since February/March and Stakhovsky played an incredible match with incredible consistency and totally deserved the win) and spent the whole 2014 and 2015 praising the "new racquet" for helping him being aggressive? Now what does all this Federer talk mean to people with bias against the Pro Staff 90? Simple: yet another excuse to say the reason why they can't play with it (including tons of people who never hit with it and know for sure they can't, by the way) has nothing to do with them either not being suited or not giving it enough time to get dialed with, but apparently even the "Greatest Of All Times" isn't good enough to play decently with an obsolete piece of scrap carbon like that [after all, in the 11 years he used it he only won 17 Slams (more than any other player in their whole career this far) often missing only the French Open because he came across someone probably about as strong as him but with a matchup advantage against him and clay-specialized, how can anyone call it a decent resume?]. That said, isn't it funny how those who take Federer as an example to say 90 is bad are the same who back in 2012 said we shouldn't use his same racquet because he's so good even for a professional (as if our opposition was as good as Nadal, Djokovic and Murray in their prime)?

    Sorry for the long post. I didn't mean to write so much, but there really are so many reasons for people to think that 90 squared inches is too small an area (and so many reasons for me to think they're wrong) that I could go on for much longer. And the part of my point I couldn't make in the long speech (smooth talker, aren't I?) is that most people have no reason to stop thinking "90=shanking", because no professional endorses a 90 and the only available one on market is the Angell TC90, so you don't see many playing with a 90 and not shanking, because you don't see many playing a 90 at all. In my humble opinion, the only way a small headsize can be praised for its advantages by general customers is with companies stopping to produce anything below 97 for long enough for most folks to forget about them and then releasing one and promoting it as "super precise", "super-maneuverable" and whatever (hint: now that the trend is toward 98-100 most think racquets are getting bigger and bigger, but that's actually because oversize racquets lost popularity earlier than midsize ones). But by then we probably won't be able to play anymore.
     
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  14. Old Skool Graphite

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    I think 93 square inches is the highest a frame could go without losing that great mid feel. The Blade 93s were awesome and underated.
     
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  15. NuBas

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    Never shanked with a 90 even playing with 4.0-4.5s, mishits yes but shanks nah. Plus the surface area to hit the ball is less than 90 sq inches so that's all I need.
     
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  16. Bender

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    I frame the ball all the time, but the key thing is that a shank on the 90 is a shank on a larger frame anyway, so there is no notable increase in the amount of shanking.

    The other day, I framed balls left and right, and I was using the RF97A.

    The issue lies in technique and timing, not the frame itself.
     
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  17. Bender

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    The RF97A provides a lot more 'free power', which is useful for defence when you don't have the time to take a bigger cut at the ball and must bunt a ball over the net with no interest.

    But the expense is that the 97 is noticeably more difficult to play finesse shots with because it always feels heavy-handed compared to the 90 that it descends from.

    In terms of offence however, the 90 is arguably better than the 97 with the exception of max power on your shots because you can place the ball on a dime with the 90, whereas with the 97 there is an element of hitting through defence as opposed to placing the ball out of reach. At any rate, the boost in power going from the 90 to the 97 is overstated because with the 90 (at the same SW), there is more mass concentrated in a smaller frame compared to the larger 97, and the viable hitting surface on either racquet is about the same.

    On a side note, anyone notice that a framed shot on the 90 is more forgiving than it is with the RF97A? Perhaps it's the boxy frame leading to relatively predictable launch angle off a framed ball...every framed shot on the RF97A flies everywhere, whereas with the 90, half the time it still lands in with funky spin.
     
  18. ByakuFubuki

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    I do the same, but with a [K]Pro Open (100). Actually, lately I'm shanking A LOT more when for some reason I have to hit with it than with my Pro Staff. I attribute it to the different blend of weight, balance and overall swingweight (basically to my body being used to time my shots with a totally different object) and suspect that while it's part of the reason why people shank more with the 90, they tend to give ALL the blame to the most evident reason (smaller hitting area).

    That's my point too, I'm sorry if I sounded like I thought the 90 was plain better than the 97 or something. What I'm trying to say is that any racquet has its set of advantadges and disadvantadges on ANY aspect of the game. This generally results in me looking like I'm trying to say that what isn't a Pro Staff 90 sucks, because (1) it's one of the most unfairly bashed frames ever produced, so in most cases my opinion is simply contrasting to most and (2) I do play half-competitively with it, so I know its strong points (and wrong assumptions made by people) better than those of, say, an RF97, and point them out more easily.

    But for me racquets are all equal and what pisses me is the "what doesn't work for me surely doesn't work for anyone" mindset.

    Never played with the RF, but that's what I noticed on the Pro Staff 90 compared to anything else I hit with. Since the second racquet I used the most is the Pro Staff 95 which has a similar beam but is lighter I thought it was mostly due to the mass, so, to make it blend with your situation/deduction (masses are similar but beam is different), I'd think it's the relatively high mass distribuited in a box-shaped beam.
     
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  19. FearlessAnimal

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    Robin Haase (in top100 for years; now 44th) plays Prestige Mid which is 89,5.

    edit: But I can't find what rac. he's endorsing. Probably none :(
     
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  20. ByakuFubuki

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    His contract with HEAD seems to be a little peculiar, because rather than endorsing a Prestige Rev Pro as one would expect he has a special paintjob (you can see "Mid" written on his racquet).
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    If I recall correctly, the same goes with Kamke.

    That said, you and I know who Robin is and what he uses, but how many do? Some years ago I was at a Master 1000 and you have no idea how long it took me first to explain the others that the guy playing in Court X was Robin Haase, and then that "Robin Haase" and "Tommy Haas" aren't the same person. The same goes with the Prestige Mid being 89.5 instead of 93, although I never bothered telling anyone.
     
  21. FearlessAnimal

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    Know this pain :) Last time I told friend who's commenting on small head of my Mid that Haase still uses it the reaction was "Aha, Haas; really nice OHBH" :)
     
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  22. Mindthegap

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    Where do you add the lead in the hoop?
     
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    Ah sorry, just saw it, at 12...
     
  24. John Z.

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    Could not agree more. Blade 93 is a very high quality frame, too bad it was not produced as a 16x19 imo.

    I too never found a midplus (95+) that swings quite as nicely as PS90 or Blade93, and i tried them all. Probably worth to mention that i grew up on midplus frames and i discovered mids later, now i'm addicted to their precision and maneuverability and solid feel.

     
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  25. Old Skool Graphite

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    When I was a junior in high school our number one player used a K Blade Tour. And I remember that frame for two things: 1.) It felt very tinny especially compared to a Prestige Mid, Tour 90 and even its midplus cousin; and 2.) it had one of the most badass paintjobs ever. Stock photos just didn't do it justice.

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    I briefly hit with the BLX Blade Tour like 4 or 5 years ago and remembered a much more classic, solid response. And I never got to hit the most recent black iteration, the Blade 93.
     
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    The latest iteration (blade 93 2013) is rock solid, extremely precise too, swings beautifully. A 16x19 version of it is what prostaff should have become imo.
     
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  27. ttc2000

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    The feel and control with the PS90 is splendid. The RF97 2015 or RF97 2017 just can't match it.

    Playing my first ever B league match tonight, so let's hope it's all good.

    I have 2 single matches to play .

    Sent from my SM-G9550 using Tapatalk
     
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    Didn't disappoint at all, won both matches with the PS90 tonight.

    The opposition's were both using babolat one PD and one pure strike.

    Once you're in position and connect there is nothing quite like the PS90.

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  29. pistolero

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    yes, i find it best to hug the baseline and play in the court, very offensive, not great defensive. clay courts i have found it more challenging.
     
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    Where'd you get them from? I want more but worried about QC :(
     
  31. stingstang

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    Ballin! Those 2014's are such sweet frames.

    Any reason you stocked up on the 90's rather than the 6.1 95 or just because they're out of production?
     
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    Timekillers - looking for 1-2 new ones myself, in case you would be interested (and are able to measure weight and balance).

     
  33. NuBas

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    Anyone know where I can buy grommets for the '14 PS90?
     
  34. timekillers

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    got it from amazon! They all seem pretty consistent to me. Got 6 in total!
     
  35. timekillers

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    Thanks! From everything I read the 95's had a significant difference in feel and weight. So I went forward with what I was already familiar with.
     
  36. timekillers

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    Hey there. All those specs should be online. I strung one up and hit with it. So far I love it.
     
  37. timekillers

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    Yep. I don't believe 90 is as small as people perceive.
     
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  38. Big Serve

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    o_O
     
  39. ttc2000

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    2nd outing in B league for my 3rd and 4th matches with the PS90 last night.

    Unfortunately due to an upset stomach the first match I fell short and lost a close match to the guy that was using a technifibre racquet.

    He was using a babolat pure drive during warm up, but switched after a few minutes due to the heavy balls coming of the PS90.

    The second match I was up against a guy using the RF97 2017 model and I completely obliterated him.

    So far I am very pleased with the PS90, I just wonder how many more years I can play the the PS90's.

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  40. ByakuFubuki

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    Your stomach would have been fine if you used an RF97A.
     
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    Do they came pre-strung?
     

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