The Minor Major: ATP 250 Winston-Salem Open at Wake Forest University - General Discussion Thread

Who wins?


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Meles

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Huge 48 player draw with 16 seeds getting bye for this oversized ATP 250; everyone plays an extra round and then the US Open.:confused: Will Anderson defend? Will Herbert contend again?

ESPN in the USA has extended coverage this year. Tennis TV does not cover this event so its likely feeds for the rest of the world.

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The return of Kokkinakis heads a strong youth presence.

*poll choices determined by ELO rating.
 
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Looks like it could be absolutely anyone's tournament. Hard to predict. Kokkinakis finally back, good chance for him to get a couple matches under his belt.
 
Tiafoe vs Fritz. Frances beat Taylor in 3 at IW and IIRC also has win(s) in the juniors vs the newlywed groom.

Fritz needs this win to jump out of his recent funk...that loss this week at TRS to Youzhny was embarrassingly bad.
 
Tiafoe vs Fritz. Frances beat Taylor in 3 at IW and IIRC also has win(s) in the juniors vs the newlywed groom.

Fritz needs this win to jump out of his recent funk...that loss this week at TRS to Youzhny was embarrassingly bad.

Somebody keeps matching those two up. I wish they'd each win enough to make a real rivalry out of it.
 
Oooh another Fritz-Foe match, can Fritz get revenge for IW? (Not if he plays like he did this week!)

the 3 other Brits of the top 100 all playing (Evo, Bedene, Edmund) - would love Evo to go deep and debut in the top 50 :)

Hope Kokkinakis can get a win or two.
 
Not sure if Minor Major or Major Minor
Right now, it is minoring in minors...only two teens straight into main draw but possibly five if Van Rijhoven, Uspensky and Mmoh all qualify.

It is however loaded with talent that OP can drool over in his unoriginal "Official Post Teen Talent Thread"...it's still unclear what the cutoff date to qualify for "post teen" is... @Meles being mealy mouthed with his definition, but let's say 25. If so, there's Elias, Fratangelo, Kokkinakis, Dzumhur, Vesely and Herbert as direct entries and Nishioka, Broady, Skander Mansouri, Mackenzie McDonald and Petros Chrysochos all fighting to qualify for OP's attention.

So it may well be majoring in non-minors, no?:eek:
 
Why isn't Isner playing? Thought he would have welcomed a bit more hardcourt practice ahead of New York after his early exit in Cincinnati.
 
Why isn't Isner playing? Thought he would have welcomed a bit more hardcourt practice ahead of New York after his early exit in Cincinnati.
And in his backyard! It would be like Murray skipping Edinburgh or Glasgow if they had a tournament on the ATP Tour. Or like Dimitrov bailing on Sofia this year.:eek:
 
And in his backyard! It would be like Murray skipping Edinburgh or Glasgow if they had a tournament on the ATP Tour. Or like Dimitrov bailing on Sofia this year.:eek:
Dimitrov showed a little pride at least. He didn't want to depend on a wildcard to enter
 
Why isn't Isner playing? Thought he would have welcomed a bit more hardcourt practice ahead of New York after his early exit in Cincinnati.
He's played enough with his Atlanta run and usually runs out of gas at US Open, so wisely not playing the grueling Minor Major with its field twice the size of Atlanta.
 
Never quite understood why a top 20 player would play. Makes sense for Gasquet who's been injured and had no game time but RBA? Just so much effort so close to a slam and could get injured or tired. What is it, like 6 matches for a measly ATP250 meanwhile other times you can get one in like 3 or 4 matches.
 
Not sure if Minor Major or Major Minor
The 2nd just isn't as impressive. I coined the term last year and it relates to the size of the draw and number of young players. Good to see Nishioki showing up, but Donaldson, Coric, Koslov, and Khachanov elected not to play.

The Real slam only has 56 players so their is a strong demand for the opportunity to play this week and the draw is therefore quite large for even an ATP 500. With a 64 slot draw (48 players and byes) players have to play an extra round to get the same amount of points, so for the top players this tournament can be a bit of a load and often some strange early exits happen.
 
So is the top half considered the non-menthol (Winston) and the bottom half the menthol (Salem)? If Ferru were playing, he would be top seed and his Marlboros would be traded in for the week for the competitor Winston brand.:eek:

#MinoringInCancerSticks
 
So is the top half considered the non-menthol (Winston) and the bottom half the menthol (Salem)? If Ferru were playing, he would be top seed and his Marlboros would be traded in for the week for the competitor Winston brand.:eek:

#MinoringInCancerSticks
Exactly. The location at Wake Forest University was formerly the grounds of the head quarters of RJR-Nabisco which was donated to the University when they relocated. Reechard has arrived at the adjacent stadium:
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All the seeded qualifiers advanced to final round except for Falla falling to Baghdatis 2.0 (Cypriot Petros Chrysochos, age 20) when the veteran Colombian retired down a set.
 
Thread bump for the major minor that nobody is following.:eek:

11 matches in the books and nary a comment.:eek:

Updates:

Fraudskoy and Marchenko bounced on Sunday. This explains @SoBad 's absence as he sulks about unfair treatment of handsome Eastern Europeans by being forced to play on Sunday.

Robert ousts Mathieu in the Battle of Old France. Air Bear has been grounded by The Donald. The demitasse cup is half-full for @ruerooo but @jaggy is happy for The Donald.

Randy Lu wins. @tipsa...don'tlikehim! , @FanOfLu and @Maximagq are still celebrating!

Evans, Edmund and Bedene all did what Murray couldn't do in Cinci...win a match they should. @Mainad @Poisoned Slice @TheMuzziah @PDJ @Sysyphus should rejoice!

Über teen Fritz beat underperforming Tiafoe and lucky loser Van Rijthoven coaxed a set out of Vesely so again it's a glass half filled for teen fanatics like myself and @gogo .

Please, all those tagged: support this thread so @Meles ' fragile ego is not bruised by record pre-major ennui. He needs your attention for this thread to thrive.
 
Exactly. The location at Wake Forest University was formerly the grounds of the head quarters of RJR-Nabisco which was donated to the University when they relocated. Reechard has arrived at the adjacent stadium:
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That's the prob w/ the grass season. Way too short, and throwing in a random tourney on a football field right before USO? Also, I thought Gasquet was a snowbird.
 
LOL, I love how you've seemingly automatically presumed I'm British because I cheer Murray on:confused::D

unbelievable disrespect of the international appeal of Novak Djo Andrew Murray.
No assumption of a false nature there...that's Sewretch's specialty. I didn't want to leave you out of the Muzziah's militia and figured you were a fan of the underdogs and up-and-comers (Edmund and Evo in particular). Plus, you will do just this little to prop up @Meles ' sagging spirits, no?
 
Where is @3fees when you need him?

Just signed up to sling tv free 7 day trial so I can watch this on ESPN (use the Sling login for Watchespn). Brad Gilbert already onsite broadcasting 3 matches today. This is a big step up from last year when he showed up for the SFs with some comments in one of the late QFs. HD coverage from day one.:eek: TV coverage up a notch here and its nice. Lesser courts on batmanstream.
 
Gasquet just beat Evans in 3 sets; nice match. Wow its Monday and already playing 2nd round matches. This tournament is well under way.
 
Robert forced into double duty, playing both his 1R & 2R matches today? Wicked in the NC heat!:eek:

Youzhny won his 1R and has withdrawn rather than face the same torture.
 
I just reviewed results and schedule and the tournament director/ATP supervisor need to be sanctioned for this BS two-matches-in-one-day fiasco. Two winners from Sunday's matches have a rest until Tuesday before their 2R matches while Robert and Youzhny had to double up. Total cretins!:mad:
 
First round is complete and the draw looks really nice.
Nice 2nd round matches:
Johnson vs Rosol
Verdasco vs Fritz
Edmund vs Troicki
Baghdatis vs The Donald (Young)
Simon vs Schwartzman
Querrey vs Garcia Lopez
Vesely vs Anderson :eek:
Kuznetsov vs the Colonel (Youzhny) -- comrades clash, not @SoBad
-really not a bad match in the 2nd round

Round of 16 and Quarterfinals are outrageously strong. The bad QF on paper is Gasquet vs Ramos-Vinalos (and Ramos had nice runs at previous two majors taking the first set off Gasquet at Wimby in round of 32). Draw laying out nicely.
 
I just reviewed results and schedule and the tournament director/ATP supervisor need to be sanctioned for this BS two-matches-in-one-day fiasco. Two winners from Sunday's matches have a rest until Tuesday before their 2R matches while Robert and Youzhny had to double up. Total cretins!:mad:
Are you sure? I see Youzhny was on schedule for tomorrow on court 4 at 3 pm and that is a walkover. Robert played Sunday and will play tonight, Monday. Time to switch back to the blind hog avatar.;)
 
Are you sure? I see Youzhny was on schedule for tomorrow on court 4 at 3 pm and that is a walkover. Robert played Sunday and will play tonight, Monday. Time to switch back to the blind hog avatar.;)
'Twasn't a blind hog...it's a manimal, much like your new avatar.

I misread Robert's schedule, thought he played earlier, and Youzhny announced his withdrawal early enough for it to be listed in results for the day. Cancel the sanctions.
 
Living about 100 miles (I think) from this tourney the heat should not be a factor. Humidity has disappeared pretty much and its beautiful. Last week there could have been deaths it was that bad.
 
Living about 100 miles (I think) from this tourney the heat should not be a factor. Humidity has disappeared pretty much and its beautiful. Last week there could have been deaths it was that bad.
Its an amazing tournament; two ATP 250s combined into one. Its the only warm up event for the US Open this week.
 
Where is @3fees when you need him?

Just signed up to sling tv free 7 day trial so I can watch this on ESPN (use the Sling login for Watchespn). Brad Gilbert already onsite broadcasting 3 matches today. This is a big step up from last year when he showed up for the SFs with some comments in one of the late QFs. HD coverage from day one.:eek: TV coverage up a notch here and its nice. Lesser courts on batmanstream.

Eating Doughnuts of course. :eek:

I have seen sling TV ads, whats the skinny ? How much they want.. True Batman stream and others are getting problematic..

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
First round is complete and the draw looks really nice.
Nice 2nd round matches:
Johnson vs Rosol
Verdasco vs Fritz
Edmund vs Troicki
Baghdatis vs The Donald (Young)
Simon vs Schwartzman
Querrey vs Garcia Lopez
Vesely vs Anderson :eek:
Kuznetsov vs the Colonel (Youzhny) -- comrades clash, not @SoBad
-really not a bad match in the 2nd round

Round of 16 and Quarterfinals are outrageously strong. The bad QF on paper is Gasquet vs Ramos-Vinalos (and Ramos had nice runs at previous two majors taking the first set off Gasquet at Wimby in round of 32). Draw laying out nicely.
Call me when Jason Jung makes the final.
 
And Veselý beats Mr Anderson!
The draw is shaping up nicely. Tomorrow in round of 16 in order (winner of 1 plays 2, etc):
1.Gasquet takes on Robert (Delbonis was the seed, but not a great hard court player)
2. Frantangelo and Millman play and took out too clay court seeds.
3. Cuevas and Busta come through and are credible hard court players
4. Kuznetsov vs Vesely will be a nice young gun match and the aging Anderson will not be missed; a real opportunity for both to make SF
5. Querrey vs Troicki, both seeds through (Troicki knocked out Edmund today :().
6. Versdasco vs Johnson, both seeds through and Verdasco took out Fritz in 3 today.
7. Schwartzman vs Lu, both have had some good moments this season
8. Baghdatas vs RBA, both seeds through in 3 set matches today

Nice players and some real opportunities. Picked Johnson to win this event and his chances look very good. Gasquet vs Vesely SF and Johnson vs RBA SF please (Mr. Johnson choked in 2015 Valencia SF against RBA.) Potential Querrey vs Johnson QF would be good. Cuevas likely in another QF against winner of Kuznetsov vs Vesely.
 
Eating Doughnuts of course. :eek:

I have seen sling TV ads, whats the skinny ? How much they want.. True Batman stream and others are getting problematic..

Cheers
3Fees :)
Well if you want higher quality and you are US based, Tennis TV is a great option because they pretty much have everything outside of the Majors and first class replays for one week, and a fine value for $129 per year. In the US some of their coverage gets blocked. Fecaleagle recommends Private Internet Access VPN which for a year is $48; this will get you by region block for some of the minor US based events that Tennis channel or ESPN have the rights too. VPN services temporarily give you an IP address from the country you select (they have servers in each country.) VPN is a minor thing as we are talking Houston, Newport, Citi Open, and Atlanta. (Tennis TV has a lot of WTA and the VPN service may or may not be helpful either.)


Sling TV comes into play for the majors. If you don't have cable with ESPN, then Sling gets you ESPN and ESPN2 proper and all their commentary, plus its gets you the login for Watchespn so you can use ESPN3. Now if you have ESPN, then you need to get your email/password for that account and just use that for ESPN3. Tennis TV has superior replay to ESPN, but they don't have it on Android and IOS which is all phones and tablets. ESPN has replay on those devices. However, Tennis TV has 10 second forward and 10 second rewind on live matches while ESPN does not have any DVR functionality on live matches. This is a huge thing as you can pause and jump through (click three 10 second advances between points to catch up in a Nadal match.:eek:) Some internet providers do give you ESPN3 access; I just got rid of AT&T who does that. This may work well, but you don't get the ESPN and ESPN2 guys commentary and strictly get the same commentators that you'll hear with Tennis TV.


For US Open I do Sling. I just subscribed again and got my third 7 day trial and then I'll let that renew for $20 for the US Open (you can cancel online weeks before your next due date or call them.) Winston-Salem Open is not on Tennis TV, so ESPN is a great for it. I tried for Australia to get by with 7 days for the last week and batman for the first week, but ended up forgetting to cancel and getting a full month of Sling (which gets you about 25 of the most popular cable channels.) This will also work for Wimbledon, but not the French Open which ESPN doesn't broadcast anymore.


I used an VPN service like Private Internet Access VPN for the French Open and Wimbledon and had reasonable replays and the UK based commentary was nice for Wimbledon with lots of extra shows available on the BBC website (I did How to Watch French Open and Wimbledon threads with more details on the international sites.) Most VPN services can be done month to month for $6 per month and Easy Hide IP has a free three day trial which is a great way to start with your first VPN experience. I hope to watch Australia this way. If you don't want to mess with VPN or understanding these sites, then just cough up $20 for Sling at Auz and Wimby. At the French a VPN service is a must. All of the international sites have very high quality video that looks like full 1080p (1080 x 1920, but is usually 540 x 960 which still is near high def.; 720p is 720 x 1280 pixels.)


VPN service can get you an upgrade from Batman that isn't really high def, but is way better than Batman streams. I used a Canadian IP address and From Hot -- http://www.sportcategory.com/c-4.html has been a high quality alternative to batman stream. You don't need to worry about ad block so much with From Hot.


The prices:

1. $48 per year for Private Internet Access VPN and just use From Hot -- probably a great choice for tablets and ipads on the go where resolution takes data and is not as critical on a small screen. You can try to economize and sign up for month of VPN service when needed at $6 per month and do one of the more expensive options that follow.

2. Add Tennis TV for $129 per year. If you really want to be cautious you can do the first month for $20, but better to go annual on this one. Tennis TV in review gets you crazy good DVR and basically everything, but the slams.

3. Sling TV at $20 for US Open and Winston-Salem Open (they allow multiple 7 day trials, so you can be a complete cheapskate and probably get a free 7 day window at US Open, French Open, and Wimbledon for the last week and From Hot it the rest of the time.)

4. French Open is definite VPN service. Tennis Channel has the US rights and they might get their act together. In 2015 they allowed you to get their watchespn equivalent for $13 for one month, but important matches like the Friday morning SF were not available unless you were a Tennis Channel subscriber (which is a huge annual expense with full cable contract and often a sports package.) 2016 was worse as to get the French Open you would have to sign up for entire year for $80 just for the limited watchespn equivalent and they probably blocked a bunch of stuff again. NBC broadcast stuff is a train wreck too as they require you have some type of cable to get access to their NBC sports app. Hoping in 2017 Tennis Channel does better and the new ownership is leveraging themselves into more standard cable packages (like the Golf channel). Hopefully they reintroduce monthly pricing for a much more completive watchespn equivalent. At this point the service is just a thorn in the side of Tennis TV. The thorn's poison can be overcome with VPN service except for the French Open. I'd love to pay Tennis Channel and support them, but this is like $1000 on an annual basis, and I don't watch TV per se and hardly touched Sling TV after the Australian Open for the last month I had it.


Recommendations:

1. Deluxe (what I am doing and any serious tennis fan deserves; just economize on your internet, TV and phone like Meles:D who pays about $43 per month for nice internet service and cell phone service). Deluxe is VPN service $48 per year. Tennis TV $129 per year. Sling TV for $20 for US Open period. (Brad Gilbert and Co. addicts add another $40 per year for Auz and Wimby) That's $197 per year for the Meles Deluxe high def DVR top of the line viewing experience ($237 for Brad Gilbert addicts).

2. Deluxe tight wad. Tennis TV $129 per year. Sling 7 day trials for Auz, Wimby, and US Open last weeks (free:D). VPN service month by month, but includes 5 months starting around French Open and possibly another month for Houston. $30-$36 which gets you by the region blocks on US events and gets you HD at majors when you don't have your Sling trial. $159 per year total. (Save $38 over option 1, but it’s almost like stealing from Sling.)

3. Batman stream on steroids From Hot option. $48 per year for VPN service and use From Hot for everything. No replays, but higher quality. For the majors you should be able to get very high def feeds and the supplement with the Sling 7 day trial as in Deluxe tight wad. $48 per year and you'd have just as good quality on majors as Deluxe tight wad.

4. Lawful Good option - do the Brad Gilbert deluxe option above, drop the VPN service, and don't watch much of the French Open. $189 per year and you feel completely clean and ethical in all ways, but it’s hard to be good when Tennis Channel has rendered the French Open almost unwatchable at a reasonable price. If you lawful gooders want the French Open, then sign up for full cable and necessary options and maybe your only out $750 plus the $189 above.:confused:


I'm never writing this again and have made a copy of it. Enjoy cutting the cord and having a stronger tennis experience!

Oh yes, and Sling TV is the bomb. Gets you cable tv on all your mobile devices and unique features like Monday Night football which Watchespn does not even do for their mobile junkies.:cool:

Note, if you want a device for TV I suggest one of the Amazon fire devices as Tennis TV does not work on a Roku. Android based streaming TV device is the key ingredient. On paper the Apple TV 4 would be the ultimate. Cheap android based boxes may end up taking more time to deal with their cheap nonsense and remotes, so as I play with one of these right now most will prefer something like the Apple TV hands down. Sling offers nice deals on devices if you sign up for three months. AppleTV for $40 off lowest price, $89. Roku 3 for $30 off lowest price (no Tennis TV, but remote has some features like voice command and a headphone jack, but also sucks down batteries. Free Roku 2 which is close to Roku 3.
 
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Well if you want higher quality and you are US based, Tennis TV is a great option because they pretty much have everything outside of the Majors and first class replays for one week, and a fine value for $129 per year. In the US some of their coverage gets blocked. Fecaleagle recommends Private Internet Access VPN which for a year is $48; this will get you by region block for some of the minor US based events that Tennis channel or ESPN have the rights too. VPN services temporarily give you an IP address from the country you select (they have servers in each country.) VPN is a minor thing as we are talking Houston, Newport, Citi Open, and Atlanta. (Tennis TV has a lot of WTA and the VPN service may or may not be helpful either.)


Sling TV comes into play for the majors. If you don't have cable with ESPN, then Sling gets you ESPN and ESPN2 proper and all their commentary, plus its gets you the login for Watchespn so you can use ESPN3. Now if you have ESPN, then you need to get your email/password for that account and just use that for ESPN3. Tennis TV has superior replay to ESPN, but they don't have it on Android and IOS which is all phones and tablets. ESPN has replay on those devices. However, Tennis TV has 10 second forward and 10 second rewind on live matches while ESPN does not have any DVR functionality on live matches. This is a huge thing as you can pause and jump through (click three 10 second advances between points to catch up in a Nadal match.:eek:) Some internet providers do give you ESPN3 access; I just got rid of AT&T who does that. This may work well, but you don't get the ESPN and ESPN2 guys commentary and strictly get the same commentators that you'll hear with Tennis TV.


For US Open I do Sling. I just subscribed again and got my third 7 day trial and then I'll let that renew for $20 for the US Open (you can cancel online weeks before your next due date or call them.) Winston-Salem Open is not on Tennis TV, so ESPN is a great for it. I tried for Australia to get by with 7 days for the last week and batman for the first week, but ended up forgetting to cancel and getting a full month of Sling (which gets you about 25 of the most popular cable channels.) This will also work for Wimbledon, but not the French Open which ESPN doesn't broadcast anymore.


I used an VPN service like Private Internet Access VPN for the French Open and Wimbledon and had reasonable replays and the UK based commentary was nice for Wimbledon with lots of extra shows available on the BBC website (I did How to Watch French Open and Wimbledon threads with more details on the international sites.) Most VPN services can be done month to month for $6 per month and Easy Hide IP has a free three day trial which is a great way to start with your first VPN experience. I hope to watch Australia this way. If you don't want to mess with VPN or understanding these sites, then just cough up $20 for Sling at Auz and Wimby. At the French a VPN service is a must. All of the international sites have very high quality video that looks like full 1080p (1080 x 1920, but is usually 540 x 960 which still is near high def.; 720p is 720 x 1280 pixels.)


VPN service can get you an upgrade from Batman that isn't really high def, but is way better than Batman streams. I used a Canadian IP address and From Hot -- http://www.sportcategory.com/c-4.html has been a high quality alternative to batman stream. You don't need to worry about ad block so much with From Hot.


The prices:

1. $48 per year for Private Internet Access VPN and just use From Hot -- probably a great choice for tablets and ipads on the go where resolution takes data and is not as critical on a small screen. You can try to economize and sign up for month of VPN service when needed at $6 per month and do one of the more expensive options that follow.

2. Add Tennis TV for $129 per year. If you really want to be cautious you can do the first month for $20, but better to go annual on this one. Tennis TV in review gets you crazy good DVR and basically everything, but the slams.

3. Sling TV at $20 for US Open and Winston-Salem Open (they allow multiple 7 day trials, so you can be a complete cheapskate and probably get a free 7 day window at US Open, French Open, and Wimbledon for the last week and From Hot it the rest of the time.)

4. French Open is definite VPN service. Tennis Channel has the US rights and they might get their act together. In 2015 they allowed you to get their watchespn equivalent for $13 for one month, but important matches like the Friday morning SF were not available unless you were a Tennis Channel subscriber (which is a huge annual expense with full cable contract and often a sports package.) 2016 was worse as to get the French Open you would have to sign up for entire year for $80 just for the limited watchespn equivalent and they probably blocked a bunch of stuff again. NBC broadcast stuff is a train wreck too as they require you have some type of cable to get access to their NBC sports app. Hoping in 2017 Tennis Channel does better and the new ownership is leveraging themselves into more standard cable packages (like the Golf channel). Hopefully they reintroduce monthly pricing for a much more completive watchespn equivalent. At this point the service is just a thorn in the side of Tennis TV. The thorn's poison can be overcome with VPN service except for the French Open. I'd love to pay Tennis Channel and support them, but this is like $1000 on an annual basis, and I don't watch TV per se and hardly touched Sling TV after the Australian Open for the last month I had it.


Recommendations:

1. Deluxe (what I am doing and any serious tennis fan deserves; just economize on your internet, TV and phone like Meles:D who pays about $43 per month for nice internet service and cell phone service). Deluxe is VPN service $48 per year. Tennis TV $129 per year. Sling TV for $20 for US Open period. (Brad Gilbert and Co. addicts add another $40 per year for Auz and Wimby) That's $197 per year for the Meles Deluxe high def DVR top of the line viewing experience ($237 for Brad Gilbert addicts).

2. Deluxe tight wad. Tennis TV $129 per year. Sling 7 day trials for Auz, Wimby, and US Open last weeks (free:D). VPN service month by month, but includes 5 months starting around French Open and possibly another month for Houston. $30-$36 which gets you by the region blocks on US events and gets you HD at majors when you don't have your Sling trial. $159 per year total. (Save $38 over option 1, but it’s almost like stealing from Sling.)

3. Batman stream on steroids From Hot option. $48 per year for VPN service and use From Hot for everything. No replays, but higher quality. For the majors you should be able to get very high def feeds and the supplement with the Sling 7 day trial as in Deluxe tight wad. $48 per year and you'd have just as good quality on majors as Deluxe tight wad.

4. Lawful Good option - do the Brad Gilbert deluxe option above, drop the VPN service, and don't watch much of the French Open. $189 per year and you feel completely clean and ethical in all ways, but it’s hard to be good when Tennis Channel has rendered the French Open almost unwatchable at a reasonable price. If you lawful gooders want the French Open, then sign up for full cable and necessary options and maybe your only out $750 plus the $189 above.:confused:


I'm never writing this again and have made a copy of it. Enjoy cutting the cord and having a stronger tennis experience!

Oh yes, and Sling TV is the bomb. Gets you cable tv on all your mobile devices and unique features like Monday Night football which Watchespn does not even do for their mobile junkies.:cool:

Thanks for the Info, didnt I see you selling encyclopedias :D

I'm USA Based

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
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