The most incredible statistic in men's tennis?

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
Im of the opinion that if big 3 were all born in the same year, tennis records would look totally different today.

How many Monte Carlo and Rome titles would Zverev and Tsitsipas win if they were facing a 20-23 year old Nadal like Federer did?
that fed was so much inferior vs rafa is on his own. he is a miserable 2-14 vs him on clay and ONLY 11-9 on HC. nole, on the other hand, has better h2h vs rafa on clay (9-20) than rafa vs him on HC (7-20) and they played more on clay than on HC. nole is solo responsible for 3 out of 5 rafas loses on PC court and 9 out of 32 rafas loses in the big tournaments!
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Im of the opinion that if big 3 were all born in the same year, tennis records would look totally different today.

Not the whole Big 3 but Nadal and Djokovic were almost born in the same year.

How many Monte Carlo and Rome titles would Zverev and Tsitsipas win if they were facing a 20-23 year old Nadal like Federer did?


This is just a particular tournament. Federer won RG and made many finals while Zverev and Tsitsipas have 2 finals combined. Federer also has several Hamburg/Madrid titles. Also comparing 2 players against 1 doesn't make much sense. Federer is unquestionably a better claycourter than both, just like he is on any surface. And he does have a better career than both even if each of them is better on one particular event.
 

Incognito

Legend
that fed was so much inferior vs rafa is on his own. he is a miserable 2-14 vs him on clay and ONLY 11-9 on HC. nole, on the other hand, has better h2h vs rafa on clay (9-20) than rafa vs him on HC (7-20) and they played more on clay than on HC. nole is solo responsible for 3 out of 5 rafas loses on PC court and 9 out of 32 rafas loses in the big tournaments!
I’m not comparing Federer with Nadal on clay, I’m comparing Federer with Zverev and Tsitsipas, both dominating Rome and Monte Carlo today. I doubt you watched tennis pre-2011?
When Federer was at his absolute best on clay, he was facing Nadal at his absolute best on clay. Thus, no Rome or Monte Carlo for him.

Nadal started dominating clay in 2005, djokovic couldn’t score a win until 2011. He had to wait until 2015 to score a win at RG. I’m pretty sure Federer would have his fair share of wins against those types of Nadal at RG.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
I’m not comparing Federer with Nadal on clay, I’m comparing Federer with Zverev and Tsitsipas, both dominating Rome and Monte Carlo today. I doubt you watched tennis pre-2011?
When Federer was at his absolute best on clay, he was facing Nadal at his absolute best on clay. Thus, no Rome or Monte Carlo for him.

Nadal started dominating clay in 2005, djokovic couldn’t score a win until 2011. He had to wait until 2015 to score a win at RG. I’m pretty sure Federer would have his fair share of wins against those types of Nadal at RG.

Federer had a golden chance to win Rome in 2003, he was the favorite and he messed up, something he admitted to. And Federer had the perfect chance to win MC against his pigeon Wawrinka in 2014, he let that one slip also. Granted, Nadal stopped him a lot, but even without Nadal out of the way, Federer had a chance to win all nine masters before Djokovic did.
 
Only 2 slams by the 90s players is by far the most jaw dropping stat.

You can pull any Big 3 Stat that is basically superhuman you want, it's ultimately one guy doing something great

The 90s being a generation of such failures requires the contribution of millions of people who picked up tennis, thousands who became professionals and so on, to have a generationally low talent output.

People say it's muh Big 3 that justifies it, but the nonBig3 nonMurray 80s players faced them at their peak and got far more slams, with many different people.
 
Only 2 slams by the 90s players is by far the most jaw dropping stat.

You can pull any Big 3 Stat that is basically superhuman you want, it's ultimately one guy doing something great

The 90s being a generation of such failures requires the contribution of millions of people who picked up tennis, thousands who became professionals and so on, to have a generationally low talent output.

People say it's muh Big 3 that justifies it, but the nonBig3 nonMurray 80s players faced them at their peak and got far more slams, with many different people.
You are making fun of 90s generation players that they were not good enough but not acknoweldgeing superhuman talent of big 3. Those 3 person dominated their era as never seen before level. 98 finals together.
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
I don't have the exact number, but the gigantic pile of lives Djoko destroyed on his way to the undisputed heavyweight champion title is up there for sure.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Only 2 slams by the 90s players is by far the most jaw dropping stat.

You can pull any Big 3 Stat that is basically superhuman you want, it's ultimately one guy doing something great

The 90s being a generation of such failures requires the contribution of millions of people who picked up tennis, thousands who became professionals and so on, to have a generationally low talent output.

People say it's muh Big 3 that justifies it, but the nonBig3 nonMurray 80s players faced them at their peak and got far more slams, with many different people.

I can't imagine another decade born players can be this bad by winning only 2 slams. This shocking stat is next to Nadal's 14 RG titles. It's never going to happen again but who knows...lightning can strike twice !
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
You are making fun of 90s generation players that they were not good enough but not acknoweldgeing superhuman talent of big 3. Those 3 person dominated their era as never seen before level. 98 finals together.
LOL
Federer unparalleled dominant was in 2000s when he was at his peak/prime years. In the CIE he was old, well past his prime. Post 2016 Federer had surgery and yet manage to bag in 3 slams in the worst era of all time. Nadal was never the same the CIE, too much wear and tear on his body and with no wheels. Of course Djkovic being 6 years younger vultured the most with 12 slams
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
I don't have the exact number, but the gigantic pile of lives Djoko destroyed on his way to the undisputed heavyweight champion title is up there for sure.
This. Bodies everywhere. Greatest undisputed heavyweight champion of all time. (y)
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Easier said than done, but…
Don’t feed the troll. Sport is, how shall I say this…
“A very objective and honest poster”

You’re absolutely right though, the US open historically has been the most prestigious after Wimbledon.

This is such a US centric view
 

thrust

Legend
This is such a US centric view
As an American, I AGREE. In the past the US has almost gave deference to England and denigrated France. Young players were and perhaps still are, told that Wimbledon is the premier tennis slam, with the US in second place.
 
-Borg winning the Channel Slam three years in a row
-Nadal winning the "Clay Slam" in 2010 (MC, Madrid, Rome and Roland Garros) while dropping only TWO SETS total
-Nadal's 32-match win streak over 3 surfaces in summer 2008 (M1000 Hamburg, RG, Queens Club, Wimbledon, M1000 Canada, Cincy SFs..oh then wins the Olympic Gold on Hardcourts 2 weeks later)
-Fed's 65-match win streak on grass and Nadal's 81-match win streak on clay (Won't see either of those touched for a long while)
-Fed winning Wimbledon and the US Open back-to-back 4 years in a row
-Connors' 93-4 single season record in 1974
-Nadal never even being pushed to a 5th set in any of his FOURTEEN Finals at RG
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Has anyone mentioned Fed's consecutive slam semi finals streak, I remember it was some crazy number

It has been mentioned
Federer record of 22 consecutive semifinal appearances at the GS is one of the greatest feat among all sports

His streak belongs in the same feat with these legends.....
• Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak in 1941 for the New York Yankees. Pete Rose's 44 games is second on the all-time list.
• Edwin Moses' 107 consecutive victories in 400-meter intermediate hurdles finals. The American went 9 years, 9 months and 9 days without a loss before falling to Danny Harris in 1987.
• Cael Sanderson's 159-0 wrestling career at Iowa State. He remains the only undefeated wrestler in college history, winning three NCAA titles at 184 pounds and one at 197.
• The Edmonton Oilers' Wayne Gretzky's streak of scoring at least a goal or an assist in 51 straight games in 1983-84.
• Orel Hershiser's run of 59 consecutive scoreless innings in 1988 for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
• Russia's Greco-Roman super heavyweight wrestler Alexander Karelin went 13 years without losing a match -- a full decade without surrendering a point -- before losing to Rulon Gardner at the Sydney Olympics.

"It's just ridiculous," Lendl added. "There is no other way to say it. You can't explain it to people, it's just absurd."

"It says," Lendl mused, "how much better he is than anybody else."

"It's pretty safe to say,"
said ESPN analyst Darren Cahill, "it's one record that will never be broken."

“I don’t think you can ever get your game to perfection, you know. Only if you’re Federer,”
Djokovic said.
 

mehdimike

Hall of Fame
Federer had a golden chance to win Rome in 2003, he was the favorite and he messed up, something he admitted to. And Federer had the perfect chance to win MC against his pigeon Wawrinka in 2014, he let that one slip also. Granted, Nadal stopped him a lot, but even without Nadal out of the way, Federer had a chance to win all nine masters before Djokovic did.
Forget about the 2003 Roma. He could have won against Nadal himself in 2006.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Forget about the 2003 Roma. He could have won against Nadal himself in 2006.
The point is, we often hear that Nadal was there always standing in the way, when the truth is, Federer had a golden chance to win the title back in 2003 and played one of his worst matches in a big title final.
 
4 ocean slams in a row between 2004-2007 for Federer. Complete dominance of the big 2 slams never seen before or after.
I did say a long time ago when recency bias fades Federer would be right back up there in terms of legacy for the exact point you make. Nadal's 14 RGs and Federer's 4 Ocean slams in a row will definitely be remembered the most from the first quarter of the 21st Century. Everything is going as i knew it would in terms of how players view the Big 4 Era.
 
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