The most inspirational fairy tale like sporting achievement - Ivanisevic Wimbledon 2001 or Djokovic Olympics 2024?

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Enceladus

Legend
Nadal beat the guy in the final who 5 months earlier obliterated Djokovic in the biggest hard court major final!! No asterisk at all, its Nadal who lost out as realistically the slam h2h should be 12-7 now.
Apples and pears. The US Open has slightly different court conditions than AO, the conditions at AO are more conducive to Djoker's game, the number of titles clearly shows this. Not to mention that the 2021 US Open final had a specific context due to the possibility of CYGS.
 

KantenKlaar

Hall of Fame
Djokovic, because if he wins nothing else ever again, he won his gold medal against the best.

Nadal's AO2022 was no fairytale - that was undiluted MAGIC.
 

Gizo

Legend
From the 21st century and in terms of Olympic men’s singles, only Massu’s triumph in 2004 could possible count as a 'fairytale' IMO (without even getting to his doubles campaign as well). He was 0-7 on hard courts going into Athens. He was the world no. 14 at the time but not pegged as a serious contender. And he came through gruelling scheduling in both singles and doubles at that tournament.

Djokovic's recent golden campaign, as big a deal and as impressive as it was, doesn't come close to fairytale status. After Sinner's withdrawal, he was the 2nd favourite going into the tournament behind Alcaraz. I remember seeing odds of 17/5 and 11/4 on him winning gold before his R1 match. And while he was clearly the underdog going into the final, I saw odds of 21/10 on him winning - there have been noticeably bigger upsets than that in big tournament finals. And if he didn't win gold, he'd still have won absolutely everything else of note in the sport anyway.

Ahead of Wimbledon in 2001, which the world no. 125 Ivanisevic only got into thanks a wild card, there were odds ranging from 150/1 to 250/1 (with William Hill in the UK) on him going all the way and winning the title. It was thought that at best he could win a couple of rounds for 'old times' sake'. before winding down and retiring. It was an incredible storyline and fortnight, and the fact that the final was played on 'people's Monday', with most of the tickets available for resale on the day, and a noisy crowd (resembling a football atmosphere more than a tennis atmosphere), make it even more special. If Ivanisevic had lost to Rafter, a 4th runners-up plate at Wimbledon without title joy would have been a very bitter pill to swallow.
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
Has to be Goran. Both given that he never won something as big as that before, and because he arrived as a wildcard. Djokovic was among the top contenders and won all the more important stuff already.

I'm on board with the daily dose of lolympics however. No surprise it is already getting tiresome for many individuals after they were the ones bringing it up countless times before Djokovic won the gold. But that's good.
 

Enceladus

Legend
Djokovic didnt comply with a counties laws. While i agree with him, it was his choice. Cannot complain if you make a choice.
If you go down the asterisked route then benefitting from your closes rivals being out injured is asterisked.
I have said it many times, Djokovic fans are his own worse enemy. Its best to just stick with the numbers and leave it at that.
AO 2022 was the greatest story of all time. No question about it.
Australia shouldn't have introduced draconian entry rules in the first place. Not when they host such a prestigious international tournament as AO. They should have implemented a different and more tactful procedure, frequent testing on covid. Djokovic didn't go to Australia to visit many places, but to play one tournament.

Injuries are part of sport, political interference and deportations are not. Interventions coming from outside the sports environment distort the given sport. It is unfair to put these things on the same level.
 

roysid

Legend
Novak s win was very emotional but he was second favorite anyway and ranked no.2
Goran was ranked 110 plus and needed a wildcard. His win is the Cinderella story.

I would say novaks olympics compares to Rogers french win.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
I don't think Federer was ready to win the title either (as was actually shown in his match with Henman), but he matched up very well with Ivanisevic. He played him twice before on indoor courts and won all 4 sets without even needing a tiebreak. He always returned exceptionally well against servebots while still having problems in his early years against the more crafty kick-serve type of S&V players like Henman and Rafter.

So if Federer would have somehow won against Henman (he had his chances in every set if I remember correctly), I think he would have beaten Ivanisevic.
Yes i know what you mean but i really think that injury to federer would impact him, especially with the worsening weather. Of course we dont know what order of play would be if no henman. Lots of ifs.

I was there for the henman match, saw it many times over too
You are half right. Henman could easily have lost either set 2 or 4, or both on the breakers. But having said that he did dominate set 1, and could have wrapped it up quicker but for his weak serve (less of a good kicker than rafters imo, and he did go for big flat serves as well as slices). Set 3 was a poor set from tim, but he almost wrapped it up in set 4 before one last fightback. For me the only set they both played well at the same time was set 2, but it remains a great match worth watching for everyone on youtube.

Also, that tournament saw goran beat moya, safin, and roddick... all those with more recent wins strung together in the season or who had troubled him before.

I know what you mean about indoor courts but that isnt the point here entirely.. we can even look at lendl as a declining force thrashing goran indoors after losing to him on grass in 1992. Grass helped goran's volleys out a bit more, along with the slice off the backhand and the slice serve.

Having said that, 8 times out of 10 i would make a (fit) roger the favorite against goran on grass. Even more of a chance for the swiss than against pete.

As things stood at that wimbledon i dont think the crowd would have pressured goran, and in fact it may have bothered fed on a given day.

But i am not as certain as you about the result. There are many draws in majors were a hh means nothing. Edberg overcoming becker was one such example.

In any case it was beating sampras that set the tone for fed's career and he needed 2 years to put all the pieces together (2002 being a bit of a flop in the majors).
 
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RS

Bionic Poster
Has to be Goran. Both given that he never won something as big as that before, and because he arrived as a wildcard. Djokovic was among the top contenders and won all the more important stuff already.

I'm on board with the daily dose of lolympics however. No surprise it is already getting tiresome for many individuals after they were the ones bringing it up countless times before Djokovic won the gold. But that's good.
Carlo Ancelotti still in the game (y)
 
That has to be R Nadal's epic 2022 Australian Open win! I know it was rigged as the Greatest of All Time was not present, but given the condition and Nadal's perseverance it was definitely a fairy tale!!
 

Elda

New User
Two of the greatest and most inspirational stories told in professional tennis, both with a script to rival anything in Hollywood, involving two of the most beloved tennis icons of the sport.

Goran Ivanisevic - Wimbledon 2001

This journey truly had the most magical ending, he had lost three Wimbledon finals before, the third one in 98 had him breaking down in tears and being inconsolable for a very long time, as he felt he lost his final chance. 2001 comes along, and the charismatic player wasn't even in the top 100, but was given a wildcard in an attempt to bring in more audiences to outside courts for the earlier rounds. Goran went onto to change the script, in what has been considered the single greatest grand slam tournament ever played as a whole, he went through one of the most brutal draws possible for him and ended up winning back to back five set thrillers in the semis and finals....to win the title on the first ever Wimbledon final on Monday. A journey that that began a decade earlier finally ended in the most triumphant way possible.....he went from being the greatest player to never win a slam to Wimbledon champion and forever immortalized in sporting history.

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Novak Djokovic - Olympics 2024

Just like his former coach, Goran, Novak's journey has been nothing short of one the most heroic sagas ever seen in the sport, and across all sports. He left the court in tears back in 2008, unable to make it to the gold medal match, but he kept going for it, more tears and heartbreak followed as for the next three Olympics, he was still unable to fight for the gold medal he so badly wanted. He never hid his feelings and the importance of what winning the Olympics meant for him, making himself vulnerable to the naysayers who were already using it to put a stain on his legacy. 2024, and Djokovic had not win a single title, not a single top ten win, he gets injured in June, throwing his participation into doubt, and then take a massive loss in the W final. Despite all the odds stacked against him, at 37, on his worst surface, he defeats his toughest challenge, makes his first gold medal match and become the first man to not only win the gold without dropping a set, but the first player, male or female to win every big title possible and complete tennis. The ultimate example of the unyielding will of the human spirit, Djokovic ascended to heights never before seen in this sport.

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Wild card to Wimbledon title road is amazing story!
 
Novak s win was very emotional but he was second favorite anyway and ranked no.2
Goran was ranked 110 plus and needed a wildcard. His win is the Cinderella story.

I would say novaks olympics compares to Rogers french win.
They would be equivalent if Roger had beaten Rafa in the final.
 
They would be equivalent if Roger had beaten Rafa in the final.

Probably more like if Federer had beaten Djokovic in the final.

On clay, Alcaraz is not on a par with Nadal. Nobody is. After all, for as long as tennis is discussed among true fans, the name of Rafael Nadal will be up there with the Lenglens, Moodys, Everts, Navratilovas, etc. Those who dominated a surface.
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
There is really no discussion nor comparison to what Ivanisevic did and what kind of outsider he was and how much drama his matches had(the rain delay that saved him against Henman! Or the many match points vs Rafter that had ace followed by a df).

Djokovic was a Wimbledon finalist and pretty much a shoe in to reach the final of Olympics.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Ivanisevic came out of nowhere to take that and beat so many top guys in route. Most people had written him off and thought he missed his chance to win Wimbledon, and then that happened. It was pretty epic. His ranking had dropped and he had been out with injury I think. Wasn't he ranked like outside the top 100 or something? I remember that day and it carried over into a Monday. Because of how insane that was and him just catching lightning in a bottle like that, I will go with Goran. Djokovic's was awesome too, of course.
I might have gone with Ivanisevic too if only I could remember that final. Sadly the only thing I can remember from that Monday is writhing around in bed with my worst hangover ever. Oh to be 20 years old again lol.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I might have gone with Ivanisevic too if only I could remember that final. Sadly the only thing I can remember from that Monday is writhing around in bed with my worst hangover ever. Oh to be 20 years old again lol.
Lol. That's the worst. I just remember this one because it was one of those special matches and tournaments. One of the only Wimbledons I watched that finished on a Monday as well.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
Lol. That's the worst. I just remember this one because it was one of those special matches and tournaments. One of the only Wimbledons I watched that finished on a Monday as well.
There is something lost with that roof... although maybe rafa may be especially vocal about that!)
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
There is something lost with that roof... although maybe rafa may be especially vocal about that!)
I guess I've gotten used to the roof now. I hated the way it looked in 2007 though when they were building it. It was pretty unsightly, lol.
 
Australia shouldn't have introduced draconian entry rules in the first place. Not when they host such a prestigious international tournament as AO. They should have implemented a different and more tactful procedure, frequent testing on covid. Djokovic didn't go to Australia to visit many places, but to play one tournament.

Injuries are part of sport, political interference and deportations are not. Interventions coming from outside the sports environment distort the given sport. It is unfair to put these things on the same level.
Agree on your points about Australia, and having been there myself in 2019 and suffered the stupid Sydney lockdown (allegedly due to one punch kills, which was obvious nonsense) and their cashless society over there even then it was plainly obvious Australia was lurching to Orwellianism.
However, injuries dont, and shouldn't determine who is greater. Luck has nothing to do with greatness, and injuries are all about luck really.
 
All you wrote is wrong and a lie. Nole had a valid visa and exception. His deportation was goverments political decision. Injuries are a part of sport, political deportation is not. And nole won RG 21 beating rafa on the road to title.
It is pretty shameful to gloryfy such title.
RG2021, Nadal was literally injured with a broken foot, he had a year off thereafter, and was stupid for playing on in that SF match as it likely cost him 6 months longer off tour than was needed.
Injuries are about luck. Some players are unlucky, like Nadal and Del Potro and Murray.
I agree Djokovic didnt do anything wrong, but ultimately Australia had daft rules and the only way to be sure one could play was to have the clot jab, which thankfully Novak refused to have. Novak would agree with me btw.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
I guess I've gotten used to the roof now. I hated the way it looked in 2007 though when they were building it. It was pretty unsightly, lol.
Relatively quick work by british standards. And 2007 had some really good matches. Obviously was a year where djokovic began to figure out grass
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Relatively quick work by british standards. And 2007 had some really good matches. Obviously was a year where djokovic began to figure out grass
2006 Wimbledon was the last year of Wimbledon with the old pre-roof Centre Court infrastructure fully intact
2007 Wimbledon had Centre Court exposed to more open air than any other time since the 19th century probably
2008 Wimbledon had the new roof infrastructure in place on Centre Court, but the roof wasn't yet ready to be used
2009 Wimbledon was the first Wimbledon with the roof in use on Centre Court. The first match under the roof was a part of Andy Murray vs. Stanislas Wawrinka, apart from that warm-up event with Andre Agassi, Tim Henman, Steffi Graf and Kim Clijsters.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
2006 Wimbledon was the last year of Wimbledon with the old pre-roof Centre Court infrastructure fully intact
2007 Wimbledon had Centre Court exposed to more open air than any other time since the 19th century probably
2008 Wimbledon had the new roof infrastructure in place on Centre Court, but the roof wasn't yet ready to be used
2009 Wimbledon was the first Wimbledon with the roof on Centre Court
well i was making a quip. A lot of things do take ages to get done. Hs2?!
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Relatively quick work by british standards. And 2007 had some really good matches. Obviously was a year where djokovic began to figure out grass
Yea 2007 was a great tournament in both the men and women's games. Pretty memorable Wimbledon for sure.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
Yea 2007 was a great tournament in both the men and women's games. Pretty memorable Wimbledon for sure.
And like 2001 i was able to go down in person. Those long gone days i was always more likely to follow a match closely, no matter the round.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Is this a trick question? Ivanisevic by a country mile.

It was one of the most dramatic sporting moments ever. Monday final, racous crowd and the whole world willing Goran to get his first grand slam, one that had eluded him forever and seemed destined to never be his. That lady game when he served it out, was probably the craziest ever.

Comparing all this to a 24 slam champion, putative GOAT, going for a medal, doesn't make sense.

Ivanisevic was fighting for his legacy, to be called a slam champion. Novak was fighting for a small feather on a cap which is already doffed with all kinds of tennis achievements in what has been a stunning career.

These are not even comparable.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
All jokes aside, and knowning he obviously benefited from the absence of Novak (which I undertand that could infuriate many fans), it's indeed a miracle he won that title. Seeing that 35 and a half years old Nadal coming back from 0-2 down and saving a 0-40 in the third set that were basically 3 match points it's indeed as impressive as it gets.

Not even the Eurosport win predictor believed in him. Incredibly display of mental strength and resiliance. One of the most epic comebacks ever in a Slam final.


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fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
Ivanesevic. I'm not sure if it's even all that close.

Wimbledon > Olympics
Goran was constantly stopped by his nemesis, Pete (aka one of the best grass courters to ever live)
Novak has some random and poor losses to Delpo, Zverev, and Murray.
First and only slam for Goran, meanwhile what hasn't Novak won? Goran's win is "fairy tale" vs story of greed or whatever you'd wanna Novak's career.

Why even talk about this with US Open going on anyway? Old news.
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
RG2021, Nadal was literally injured with a broken foot, he had a year off thereafter, and was stupid for playing on in that SF match as it likely cost him 6 months longer off tour than was needed.
Injuries are about luck. Some players are unlucky, like Nadal and Del Potro and Murray.
I agree Djokovic didnt do anything wrong, but ultimately Australia had daft rules and the only way to be sure one could play was to have the clot jab, which thankfully Novak refused to have. Novak would agree with me btw.
as in many other things, if nole came from another country, especially some western country, it wouldn't happen because it was political. and he was cast out just because he was himself. any other player preferably with a valid visa and exception would have no problem.

if rafa played he was healthy enough. and injuries are not just luck and bad luck. they can very well and to a large extent be avoided and can depend on the style of play, training and preparation routines and schedule planning. then it is also very genetic, but so is it with much else in sport. muzza overplayed in the second half of 2016 chasing no1 and YE#1 and it probably helped that he got injured. injuries are a part of sport, always have been and always will be. political intrusions and deportations cannot be a normal part of sport. but unfortunately it is and it is mostly the western world that deals with it.
 
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Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I have some questions for the 24 people who voted for Novak here... Are you high? Lmao.

Novak was literally the TOP SEED at the Olympics, winner of 24 slams, he holds the US Open.

Ivanisevic meanwhile needed a wildcard to play 2001 Wimbledon because his ranking was so low. He'd never won a slam. His run came from literally nowhere. His odds were insane, Djokovic meanwhile was the 2nd favourite to take Gold.

Y'all are crazy blind.
 
as in many other things, if nole came from another country, especially some western country, it wouldn't happen because it was political. and he was cast out just because he was himself. any other player preferably with a valid visa and exception would have no problem.

if rafa played he was healthy enaf. and injuries are not just luck and bad luck. they can very well and to a large extent be avoided and can depend on the style of play, training and preparation routines and schedule planning. then it is also very genetic, but so is it with much else in sport. muzza overplayed in the second half of 2016 chasing no1 and YE#1 and it probably helped that he got injured. injuries are a part of sport, always have been and always will be. political intrusions and deportations cannot be a normal part of sport. but unfortunately it is and it is mostly the western world that deals with it.
Let me correct you.
Nadal was born with issues in his foot, that is bad luck.
Murray, like 50% of men, had extra bone growth in his hip which over time due to the excessive wear on that joint being a sportsmen wore away the labrum. That is bad luck.
I agree Djokovic was harshly treated, and he also had useless lawyers as well.
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
Let me correct you.
Nadal was born with issues in his foot, that is bad luck.
Murray, like 50% of men, had extra bone growth in his hip which over time due to the excessive wear on that joint being a sportsmen wore away the labrum. That is bad luck.
I agree Djokovic was harshly treated, and he also had useless lawyers as well.
it is not bad luck. it is genetic. and i am pretty sure that rafa had a more problems with his knees and a lott of other issues

1. 2003 French Open (elbow injury)
2. 2004 French Open (Scafoid stress fracture)
3. 2004 Wimbledon (Scafoid stress fracture)
4. 2006 Australian Open (Left foot injury)
5. 2009 Wimbledon (Tendinitis of the knee)
6. 2012 US Open (Tendinitis of the knee)
7. 2013 Australian Open (Stomach virus)
8. 2014 US Open (right wrist injury)
9. 2016 Wimbledon (left wrist injury)
10. 2020 US Open (Covid-19 bubble concerns)
11. 2021 Wimbledon (left foot)
12. 2021 US Open (left foot)
2023 - Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open (left hip)

and as you see, between 2005 and 2022 (18 straight seasons) all rafas injures was out of clay so it should not do so much difference as his fans pretend

and as for muzza i do not see that 50% of great players must do hip injury

 
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Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
Djokovic easily. Purely because Olympics happens only every 4 years. So, you don’t get too many chances. Some may not see Olympics gold as a big deal. But apparently that mattered the most to an athlete like Djokovic who had the opportunity to put his country in the spotlight.

Definitely Djokovic since he got it after 5 tries over a span of almost 2 decades.
 
it is not bad luck. it is genetic. and i am pretty sure that rafa had a more problems with his knees and a lott of other issues

1. 2003 French Open (elbow injury)
2. 2004 French Open (Scafoid stress fracture)
3. 2004 Wimbledon (Scafoid stress fracture)
4. 2006 Australian Open (Left foot injury)
5. 2009 Wimbledon (Tendinitis of the knee)
6. 2012 US Open (Tendinitis of the knee)
7. 2013 Australian Open (Stomach virus)
8. 2014 US Open (right wrist injury)
9. 2016 Wimbledon (left wrist injury)
10. 2020 US Open (Covid-19 bubble concerns)
11. 2021 Wimbledon (left foot)
12. 2021 US Open (left foot)
2023 - Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open (left hip)

and as you see, between 2005 and 2022 (18 straight seasons) all rafas injures was out of clay so it should not do so much difference as his fans pretend

and as for muzza i do not see that 50% of great players must do hip injury

All those listed are bad luck bar no.10, which if true is just stupidity!!
Many tennis players both professionally and at amateur level have to have hip replacements, ask any hip specialist.
 
I was at the 2001 Wimbledon final. It was one of the most emotional sporting experiences of my life. When he started double faulting as he served for the match - my god! It was tension like I've never experienced. The atmosphere in the crowd will never be repeated. Novak's win was deeply emotional but Goran's win was the stuff of Hollywood movies.
Since you was there seeing the drama unfolding you will never change that story for even novak gold medal. With due respect to novak goran triumph was against all odds. Novak was supposed to go down only against alcaraz . Goran was mission impossible part 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all in space of 2 weeks
 
Two of the greatest and most inspirational stories told in professional tennis, both with a script to rival anything in Hollywood, involving two of the most beloved tennis icons of the sport.

Goran Ivanisevic - Wimbledon 2001

This journey truly had the most magical ending, he had lost three Wimbledon finals before, the third one in 98 had him breaking down in tears and being inconsolable for a very long time, as he felt he lost his final chance. 2001 comes along, and the charismatic player wasn't even in the top 100, but was given a wildcard in an attempt to bring in more audiences to outside courts for the earlier rounds. Goran went onto to change the script, in what has been considered the single greatest grand slam tournament ever played as a whole, he went through one of the most brutal draws possible for him and ended up winning back to back five set thrillers in the semis and finals....to win the title on the first ever Wimbledon final on Monday. A journey that that began a decade earlier finally ended in the most triumphant way possible.....he went from being the greatest player to never win a slam to Wimbledon champion and forever immortalized in sporting history.

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Novak Djokovic - Olympics 2024

Just like his former coach, Goran, Novak's journey has been nothing short of one the most heroic sagas ever seen in the sport, and across all sports. He left the court in tears back in 2008, unable to make it to the gold medal match, but he kept going for it, more tears and heartbreak followed as for the next three Olympics, he was still unable to fight for the gold medal he so badly wanted. He never hid his feelings and the importance of what winning the Olympics meant for him, making himself vulnerable to the naysayers who were already using it to put a stain on his legacy. 2024, and Djokovic had not win a single title, not a single top ten win, he gets injured in June, throwing his participation into doubt, and then take a massive loss in the W final. Despite all the odds stacked against him, at 37, on his worst surface, he defeats his toughest challenge, makes his first gold medal match and become the first man to not only win the gold without dropping a set, but the first player, male or female to win every big title possible and complete tennis. The ultimate example of the unyielding will of the human spirit, Djokovic ascended to heights never before seen in this sport.

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What kind of question is this lol. A guy who never won and was stopped by Pete at every turn finally wins way past his prime vs. a guy who won everything already and was still top 3.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
On Djokovic's side is the greater span of time, but on Goran's side is how many times he came so close, while Novak never even played the Gold Medal match. Plus, of course, Novak's many other victories are more than scant consolation.

Poor Goran was basically the Mecir or the Nalbandian or the Berdych, Tsonga, Ferrer, Zverev, etc. of his generation. And then, somehow, with his career basically over - out of the top 100, no title in 3 years, about 1 top 10 win in the past 2... He goes and wins Wimbledon.
 
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